User talk:Daveat168

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December 2014
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Sorry if I have offended anyone. I did check to see if my idea was new. There is a search on for the impact crater responsible for the birth of the Atlantic Ocean. It does seem as if there was a major extinction circa -200Ma., and the proposed centre I seem to have found is very close to the edge of the continental shelf. -200Ma is about right for the birth of the Atlantic Ocean, and the centre maps, pre-split to a point near the South of Greenland. The unscientific style was used, not to be offensive, or difficult, but to convey an air of uncertainty, that the reader might use his/her own judgment. I thought the place and style were appropriate to this aim, as was the position where I inserted it.

I will place the insertion here then, having, I hope corrected any typos, so that someone else might refer to it, and make a more kosher insertion in a more appropriate place.

Here, then follows:

Can this be the impact crater which tore open the Atlantic ocean?

Get a map of the British isles in relief. Step a few paces back, and let your eyes dim.

Imagine a line from Dublin in Ireland, on a heading of about 285 degrees, passing through Westport, and about 20 mile out to sea, and focus on this point.

Notice how the major lakes and mountain ranges in Ireland seem to form arcs of circles about this point.

Notice also, with a little imagination, how Hills and lesser mountains in England, Wales and Scotland also have a tendency to lie on arcs centred on this point, and also, how Scotland's great glen points at this point.

Are we not looking at about a 120 degree sector of a huge crater, from about 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock? We are talking a main crater about 500 miles across, with ripples out to 2000 miles diameter, and radial rays out to 5,000 miles. Apart from the ray forming the great glen, you might see the coast of Portugal, The Biscay coast of France, and the Swedish coast as fossils of these rays.

This is huge, but not Earth-shattering. There are similar sized craters on the Moon, and the Moon is far more fragile than the Earth.

Incidentally, the geology in the Westport area is highly complex, typical of an impact zone.

Daveat168.

Recent edit to Triassic–Jurassic extinction event
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License tagging for File:ImpactCrater0.jpg
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You do not give place to reply, so I must reply here.

The image I uploaded is a LOW DEFINITION of the front page of the referenced publication. This is logically equivalent to a magazine cover. As such, it complies with accepted reasonable use, as it is an illustration only, and not fully readable. It is used as an illustration of the publication which is freely available on line, and is in no way an alternative to that publication. I though I had used the correct tags. I am a newby to this, and accept that the tags might need correcting. The instructions are not as clear as they might be. I tried very hard to get it right. I would appreciate help here. Silicon intelligence can be unhelpful.Dave at 168 00:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Odele-CRATER-CHAIN.jpg
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If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Ron h jones (Talk) 02:27, 27 January 2015 (UTC) I will produce my own artwork based on the information given on the said site. This might take a couple of days.Dave at 168 18:42, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:ImpactCrater0.jpg


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That is fine. I had removed it from display already.Dave at 168 18:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

February 2015
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Thankyou. I would have removed it myself, but did not know how. I had already removed the link to it, and replaced with a link to my own artwork.86.152.5.169 (talk) 23:39, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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I did as you said, but you totally ignored my response. I have opened a blogspot on Google, with the script copied from what I posted on Wiki, including the map mosaioc which you found objectionable, and there has been no official response from Google rebuking me for using their copyright material in this way. I think you have been overzealous, but that is your problem. Below is a copy of the Google hits for a search, entered with quotes, thus: "Unzipping the Atlantic Ocean"

Unzipping the Atlantic Ocean tjimpacter.blogspot.com/ 1 day ago - It has not been recognised officially yet, but there are what might be fossil remains of an enormous impact crater centred on a point a few miles ...

Unzipping the Atlantic Ocean: Introduction tjimpacter.blogspot.com/2015/02/introduction.html 1 day ago - It has not been recognised officially yet, but there are what might be fossil remains of an enormous impact crater centred on a point a few miles ...

Unzipping the Atlantic Ocean: February 2015 tjimpacter.blogspot.com/2015_02_01_archive.html 1 day ago - It has not been recognised officially yet, but there are what might be fossil remains of an enormous impact crater centred on a point a few miles ...

It has clearly gone through Google's copyright scanner, so I guess it must be ok by Google.

Dave at 168 11:01, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Copyright, why we're so anal about it
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It's a perennial discussion here on Wikipedia what is and isn't reasonable when it comes to that issue, and it makes things extremely complex for people who try to do the right thing like you. But we do it for a reason, and we think that reason is worth it - doing what is right, and allowing our content to be truly free to use for whatever you want, not just for looking at it on this website. I hope you can see that perspective as well. Kind regards, Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, I accept that. But what is really needed is a sort of ombudsman to sort out sticky cases, such as Google earth projections, where the normal 'Fair Use' flags are not quite right, or easy to apply. Also, as I said, Google does not seem prepared to talk to plebs, like ordinary folks. We need an 'attorney', to get sticky questions and particular cases accepted. I believe, with the appropriate sugary words, Google might listen to Wiki.

Best regards, Dave at 168 16:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not very likely though. While it might be possible that we could get Google to allow use on Wikipedia, there is very little chance we could get them to allow the third party use that we allow. That's exactly why our rules on fair use are so strict, and are far more strict than mandated by law if it were only us using it. This is especially important if there is the possibility of a free to reuse file that fulfills the same goal. In the case of (I took one of the images you uploaded at random) ImpactCrater0, a similar map could be made from open street map, a project that operates under a compatible license as we do. It wouldn't have the nice satellite image, but it would be able to fulfill the same encyclopedic value, and it would allow for others to freely copy paste our content including the images. If that option is available to us, we'll always reject the non-free option. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 17:04, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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If you have any questions, please see Help:Image page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:09, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I gave all the information I could find concerning this artwork. The source material is presented as public domain, my work, I dedicate to public domain.

I could not understand how to correctly fill in your boxes, and asked for help, but received none.

BTW the source material, for which Google claims copyright is available from Blue Marble Public Domain. Thus Google's claim to copyright may be spurious.