User talk:Davehenry22

Deletions
Regarding your deletions on the football records and statistics page. Number 1 Arsenal were promoted, you’re correct, but were later relegated. However they have never won promotion since, to again play in the top flight, that is a verified fact. Number 2, Tottenham is shown to have finished third to explain how Tottenham returned, not by winning the second division. These two sentences have been re-inserted. The word fortuitous is left out, I can see how people might see that. Although it was through good fortune. Spare Koppers (talk) 03:10, 31 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The sentence “Arsenal, still to this day, have the record as being the only club who have never earned their place in the top flight on merit, through their league position.” is incorrect. You have just confirmed this with your reply to me. Arsenal have earned their place in the top flight through their league position before WW1. So you need to add the fact that they have never since the time that they did as that is the verified fact. The sentence has been removed and should not be re-inserted without the full facts, otherwise it is false as it stands. If you are trying to say Arsenal are the only club currently in the top flight not to be there through promotion (you should say promotion, not on merit as that is too vague and all clubs elected in the early days where elected on merit where the criteria was more than just league position). The fact is you have worded the sentence with a bias based on your opinion and not on facts. Further to that it is actually unnecessary as it is just a reworded version of the fact presented in the opening sentence of the paragraph, i.e. Arsenal were elected in 1919 and have not been relegated since.
 * Regarding the additional detail you have added about Spurs being relegated and how they returned, for consistency you should add similar detail for Chelsea and Manchester City.
 * The whole paragraph reads like it’s written by a Spurs fan. Wikipedia is about facts and not opinion or bias. The incorrect sentence about Arsenal has been removed. Davehenry22 (talk) 15:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you want to check some stats. Arsenal DID NOT earn their top flight status before ww1. They were relegated in the 1912/13 season and spent two seasons in the second division before ww1. Their promotion (that was earned) and their relegation is mentioned. It still remains Arsenal were elected to the first division in 1919 and have never won/earned promotion from division 2 anytime since, therefore that sentence is correct. As for the other elected clubs, they all won the second division in later years, except Arsenal, and that is also mentioned. That is why the reworded sentence you refer to is written there, covers all the elected clubs. As for the word merit, were Sunderland promoted on merit in 1990? The citation link, click that and the person who runs that page says merit at the bottom. Merit - deserve, warrant, earn, worthy, deserving and entitled, wouldn’t say merit is vague, it’s accurate.
 * Also I am not biased towards any Premier League Club, it’s a corrupt league full of cheats, Kane etc. and how the Irish love Terry Henry. The comment about Wikipedia being about facts and not opinion or bias, is true. That is why the correct sentence about Arsenal has been re-inserted. It’s factual with no opinions or any bias. And controversially is a fact also, read up on Sir Henry Norris MP, dropping Woolwich and moving to Highbury. Spare Koppers (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or genuinely don’t understand basic comprehension. I’ll spell it out for you.
 * The sentence in dispute reads, “Arsenal, still to this day, have the record as being the only club who have never earned their place in the top flight on merit, through their league position.” You’re explanation to me for this being factual is that they were elected to the first division in 1919 and have never won/earned promotion from division 2 anytime since. You have clarified your own mistake, so why not just add that.
 * I think you think I’m disputing the fact, which is not the case. I’m merely pointing out that it reads incorrectly the way it has been written. I suggest rewriting it as follows, “Arsenal, still to this day, have the record as being the only club since the end of the First World War not to have earned their place in the top flight on merit, through their league position.” This in fact is actually still spurious as clubs promoted via the playoffs did not earn their place purely on their league position, but I’ll leave it up to you as to whether you chose to add that clarification.
 * The other problem is that the citation you’ve quoted links to a website that has incorrectly stated the fact. I’ve removed the incorrect sentence and will continue to remove it until it is properly written. If you’d like me to re-insert my version then let me know as I’ll be happy to do it for you. Cheers. Davehenry22 (talk) 19:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)