User talk:Davewild/Archive 4

iTalkBB
Hello! I created the article on iTalkBB that was deleted after an AfD that was reopened twice due to sparse participation. While I respect the consensus, and agree that the original article did not meet notability criteria, I just got back from a trip out of town followed by a brief vacation, during most of the period when the article was flagged as needing sources and more content. I would therefore like to re-create the article (rather than taking what was admittedly an unsourced stub article through deletion review). Before I do, however, I will collect a lot more material and cite reliable sources.

I do have two questions for you:

1. Is there an appropriate "revised and rewritten" (or "AfD criteria addressed", cf. "under construction") tag to use for a re-created page?

2. Do you know if there is any tool (such as a Javascript application or a Watchlist setting) that will send automatic e-mail notifications of AfD tags to editors when their articles (or those they put on their Watchlists) are nominated? I would surely have commented as well as voted if I had even realized that an AfD was going on, and my track record for meeting the Heymann Standard has been 100% thus far.

Thanks!

Banazir (talk) 19:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply! Yes, please do userfy the old content under my page.  Your help is much appreciated! - Banazir (talk) 11:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Another one
In the making here Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 10:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Bongwarrior took care of it. Thanks, all the best Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 10:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Next update
Dave, five out of six of your hooks in the next update are American ones. We are not supposed to do that. Would you like me to finish the update now? I'll do it if you like. Gatoclass (talk) 13:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops, sorry, be my guest, just saw it was a long way overdue and thought I had better make an attempt to get something in there. Thanks. Davewild (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo, thanks for helping out :) I'll just add a couple of non-American ones and it will be fine. Gatoclass (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jim David Adkisson
This AfD was closed a few days ago by Orlady as a speedy redirect. I have just now realized that this was a non-admin closure and that the article had not actually been deleted (in the sense that the old version is still available in the history log). The problem with that is that now another user undid the redirect (which was easy to do since the history log is still available) and the article Jim David Adkisson has been restored back to the mainspace. I saw that you did an edit on the AfD page after Orlady's closure and since unlike Orlady you are an admin, I wonder if you can help out here. I think that it would be better to actually delete Jim David Adkisson, per AfD outcome, and then create a new redirect to 2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting from scratch. If you are willing to do that, that'd be great. If not, I'll probably have to relist Jim David Adkisson for another AfD and go through the motions again. Thanks a lot, Nsk92 (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hollywood Undead
Hi, I am the guy who brought Hollywood Undead before the deletion review. I noticed you had created a Hollywood Undead article in userspace and so I added a little bit information to it and also created an article for for the bands upcoming album in userspace User:Davewild/Hollywood Undead/Swan Songs I really hope all this effort will result in the consensus that the article should be allowed to be recreated. Well, I am keeping my fingers crossed Killeroid (talk) 06:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Tom Manion
To whom it may concern:

I am new to editing on Wikipedia, and I apologize if I am going about this incorrectly. I am writing in reference to Tom Manion’s Wikipedia page. It was deleted with claims that he did not meet the notability requirements. I would argue this point on two factors. The first is the following comment from Wikipedia’s guidelines:

Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2010 U.S. Senate elections and 2016 Summer Olympics.

As Mr. Manion is a candidate for the 2008 Congressional elections, his candidacy would seem to fit this qualification.

Secondly, your guidelines state that political candidates may “still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."

Below, I have provided references to Mr. Manion from several media outlets.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-01162008-1471920.html

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0108/Father_of_slain_Iraq_war_veteran_to_run_against_Patrick_Murphy.html

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-08052008-1572699.html

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-08022008-1571650.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/25498099.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/19637709.html

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-5immigrant.6526729aug03,0,3464245.story

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1_2manion-r.6513156jul23,0,5238283.story

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-a1_5facebook.6505119jul16,0,833597.story

http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/state/all-a3_5money.6505257jul16,0,862430.story

http://www.bucksright.com/pa-8th-congressional-district-race-on-fox-news-101

Please let me know if this information is helpful in re-instating the page.

Ksmithbca (talk) 17:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page and taken this to Deletion Review. Davewild (talk) 18:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dave It appears there are a couple of comments on the deletion review page now...what needs to happen at this point to reinstate the page? Thanks Ksmithbca (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Prince Chunk
Please contribute to current discussion on the AfD for Prince Chunk.--DrWho42 (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Criteria for speedy deletion
I guess I'll write a "how to" for spammers to ensure they're properly informed that any product can be advertised on Wikipedia, then! -- DanielPenfield (talk) 20:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Annoying IP
Hi! Could I ask you to warn this IP: 83.9.0.167 ? He vandalised my userpage once and now he vandalised my discussion page. Thanks in advance ;0 Timpul my talk 19:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I couldn't find the appropriate template on this Wiki ;) I will let you know ;) Timpul my talk 19:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So, now I'm letting you know. He vandalised the template with "male". Timpul my talk 19:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * ;) Timpul my talk 20:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Rielle Hunter
Did you know the article you closed the DRV on Rielle Hunter has been recreated?

Mind you, given her face is splashed all over the newspaper this morning, perhaps that's a good thing. Nfitz (talk) 16:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably for the best - and I'll leave alone too. I was looking through recent DRVs and her name jumped out - because of all the media coverage she's had in the last 24-hours. There are photographs of her in my newspaper today, so her notability has likely changed significantly, given Edwards confession. Thanks for the Tommy Smith restoration BTW Nfitz (talk) 16:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hook comment
Thanks for the tip-off, I didn't notice the silent comment, and I've now removed it. I really don't get 74's objection at all, it's not a "sad past" hook, to me it's an inspiring story of someone overcoming childhood obstacles to meet with great success in later life. I think 74 is totally missing the point. Gatoclass (talk) 17:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Eastern Mediterranean Event
Hi, can you move the title from "Eastern Mediterranean Event" to "Eastern Mediterranean event"? I believe it will be proper naming in similar line with Tunguska event.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 19:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hollywood Undead
I've moved your userspace version over--would you mind adding categories? Thanks. Chick Bowen 22:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Inflammatory diseases of unknown etiology, deletion review
Hi Davewild, you closed the deletion debate for the article Inflammatory diseases of unknown etiology, which was proposed for deletion in November last year, and which had a marginal keep.
 * The article is incomplete but has been abandoned by the author for months now.
 * It remains an orphan article.
 * A similar article, called List of syndromes and diseases with unknown etiologies, was deleted.
 * It replicates the Category called Category:Ailments of unknown etiology
 * Despite the weak "keep", the article remains a clear example of essay-writing and OR.

I think it needs to be deleted, perhaps speedily. Failing that, a review of the deletion debate would be in order. Thanks. ► RATEL ◄ 03:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for your message regarding this article, I'm afraid I have to stand by my closure of the debate as Keep given the arguments on the AFD. On your points here, being imcomplete or an orphaned article are not grounds for deletion, but rater for cleanup. There are no reasons for me to speedy delete the article either according to policy. Each article stands on it's own merits and having both a category and a list/article is something that is supported by guidelines.
 * As to your last point a consensus in the previous AFD was persuaded otherwise but, given that over nine months have passed since then, you are welcome to renominate the article at AFD again if you feel you can persuade people that it should be deleted. Equally if you think I misread the consensus then you can take it to WP:Deletion Review but that looks at process not the merits of the article generally so AFD is probably your better bet.
 * Sorry I could not fufill your request but hope this is at least somewhat helpful. Davewild (talk) 17:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll AFD it again, in time. Despite your assumption above, the article is not a reflection of the Category "Ailments of unknown etiology" at all, but rather an attempt by an editor to provide a list of diseases he thinks are actually caused by infectious agents. His bias was edited out of the article by others, thus removing his reason for writing it, and that's why he abandoned it. ► RATEL ◄ 23:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Untitled Dance Gavin Dance album
I think you missed this article with the closing of Articles for deletion/Dance Gavin Dance (album). - Mdsummermsw (talk) 12:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Olympic-size swimming pools in the Republic of Ireland
Hi, can you close down Articles for deletion/List of Olympic-size swimming pools in the Republic of Ireland as you did for List of Olympic-size swimming pools in the United Kingdom. Thanks -- mervyn (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

ZCubes
If you need any more definitive proof that ZCubes is an advertisement, just check out the edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ZCubes&diff=prev&oldid=231448234, made by the single-purpose account Special:Contributions/MicroTalk1. Note the removal of passage describing the "inventor"—confirming that Pally is the spammer behind the phalanx of single-purpose accounts editing this article (to wit: (Special:Contributions/TOReilly, Special:Contributions/PeteDevries, Special:Contributions/RayFrench, Special:Contributions/LNRyan, Special:Contributions/SarkowA, Special:Contributions/ScottmaA, Special:Contributions/MeghaABS)). -- DanielPenfield (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Inflammatory diseases of unknown etiology (2nd nomination)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Inflammatory diseases of unknown etiology, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Inflammatory diseases of unknown etiology (2nd nomination). Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? I'm leaving you this note primarily because you wrote the first AfD. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

My RfA
Davewild, thank you for your contribution to the discussion at my recent RfA and for commenting in particular on my AfD work, as I have seen you close out a few of those. If ever you have any concerns about my actions, adminly or otherwise, don't hesitate to let me know. Best wishes, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 19:48, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Chorley Council election
Thanks for the speedy edits to the Chorley Council election collection of pages. --Ormers (talk) 13:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Article removal
Hi I have requested that the conversation on this page regarding my name on you deletion review page-sloanbella- be deleted, it is wrongly ranking in google and it is a negative refelction, my page/name has been vandilised. Please leave it down. Please --Torontmuse (talk)
 * I'm afraid I am not sure what you are talking about as I cannot see any mention on this page to what you are talking about? Davewild (talk) 17:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, sorry here is the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_July_11 and then when you clik on "show". Please remove, its the last page left from vandilism that occurred with my name.(Torontomuse (talk) 18:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC))
 * Policy does not allow be to delete the page (as we need to be able to keep a record of deletion decisions), however as was done with the AFD I have courtesy blanked the Deletion Review on the above person to make seeing the details of the Deletion Review much more difficult. Davewild (talk) 18:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much! I appreciate it. (Torontomuse (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC))Have a nice day..

Articles for deletion/Miles Fisher
I would like to lodge an objection to your closing of this as 'keep'. The rewrite has NOT established notability, as almost literally every single 'reliable source' is trivial, as it's clear from the context and headlines, simply a long series of passing mentions scraped together to disguise the lack of significant sourcing. The tone certainly seems indistinguishable from that of a press release, and the claims of his having a famous father utterly irrelevant. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Miles Fisher
Hello and thank you for closing Articles for deletion/Miles Fisher. As closing administrator, do you have a viewpoint regarding the discussion at Talk:Miles Fisher? This type of thing seems sort of odd to me so soon after an AfD closure on the article, but do correct me if I am wrong on that. I just nominated the article for WP:GAC so I would like to try to resolve this matter soon. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah I did not notice the message in the above subsection. Cirt (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comment at the article's talk page, you raise some valid points. Cirt (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing this. Dreadstar †  21:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Per the comments in the DRV, I've gone ahead and relisted the AFD. Dreadstar †  23:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review: Gut-wrenching Scream And Fall Into Distance
Reference_desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2006_December_2 - Pretty notable, shouldn't have been deleted so quickly. Can you back up this deletion with reasons why its use in many films, tv shows, and video games that ARE notable makes it NOT notable? --TIB (talk) 17:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Article tagged for rescue
The Story of Maths has been tagged for rescue. -- IRP ☎ 22:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Xdelta
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Xdelta. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Stifle (talk) 19:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

"Independent" state criterion
I have reverted your edit in this fashion, because I am not aware of any criterion for these lists to exclude anything but leaders of independent states. According to Wikipedia, a "state" includes effective authority. You would have to credit the BVI with that, no? -- Thekohser XIV (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Forgotten Realms characters
Hello.

I'm trying to build List of Forgotten Realms characters as a proper character list. Could you please restore the edit history of Captain Deudermont for me, and redirect it to the list so that we can merge the content in? Thanks! :) BOZ (talk) 04:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) BOZ (talk) 18:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Someone redirected Benjamin M. Emanuel in middle of deletion review
I just noticed that on December 18 in the middle of a discussion of whether to keep deletion of Benjamin M. Emanuel User:Y (who called for deletion) recreated the page (deleting history of deletions) and redirected it to Rahm Emanuel. (No diff was created.) Only today did you say it would stay deleted without another AfD. I find it annoying that someone would do that when Delete infers people shouldn't be messing with the current article status in the middle of a review. Is this allowed? If not, how about a word to User:Y not to do that sort of thing. Or whatever is proper process. Thanks! CarolMooreDC (talk) 15:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!
You're a good man, Charlie Brown. I've never seen an article get undeleted that quickly. I added a source and hopefully I can work on improving the article. I think that went speedy delete since the originator knew it would not stand up in a regular deletion debate. Reviewing the talk page of the person who added the prod, there are some things going on there with border line vandalism under WP:BLANK according to another user. Thanks again for the undelete! -OberRanks (talk) 13:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Eustacius de Yerburgh
An article that you have been involved in editing, Eustacius de Yerburgh, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Eustacius de Yerburgh. Thank you.  Little Red Riding Hood  talk  05:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Free look
You foolishly merged free look to First person (video games) even though free-look is not confined to first-person perspective. Third-person shooters are an example of another type of game which incorporates free-look. In the future, do not move or merge pages without discussion or consensus. Some guy (talk) 02:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Ohm Phanphiroj
I have nominated Ohm Phanphiroj, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Ohm Phanphiroj. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. CaveatLector Talk Contrib 19:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

My username
Hi. Please change my username to Sadra. Thank you. Sadra2010 (talk) 17:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Karnataka state assembly elections, 2008
Template:Karnataka state assembly elections, 2008 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. VasuVR ( talk,  contribs ) 10:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Kanonkas
Thank you Davewild for voting in my successfully closed RfA! I'm glad that you trust me. Ping me if you need anything! Best regards, -- Kanonkas :  Talk 20:16, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Boxxy
You can see my draft at User:Hospitality Flawless/Boxxy. Thanks.--Hospitality Flawless (talk) 23:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Samuel Purdey
Hello, regarding my entry for Deletion Review at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_January_21 ...the band are now #1 on Japan's Kiss Fm Hit Chart. http://www.kiss-fm.co.jp/pc/hit/hit_index.php (Rolluprob (talk) 12:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC))

Also, with regard to "These met with some favourable criticism by the British music press at the time" - the page does show reference to quotes from NME, ID and Blues And Soul magazines. Regarding "It became the 5th most played track on Tokyo radio stations during May 1999" - possibly I should change this line, as alternatively I can use the number 5 chart position as seen here on the J-Wave chart archive in Japan: http://sound.jp/tnsn/tokio100/1999/99_06.tokio.html (Rolluprob (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

Blocked Ip address
This is the Ip Address for Blessed Trinity Catholic High School in Roswell, GA. I suggest not blocking this school from editing for only 48 hours. This school, excluding myself I am a regular WP & WM user, is notorious for vandalism. It'll only keep happening over and over until it is blocked for 6 months again. Just giving a heads up to watch this Ip VEEERY closely as anyone here who will make a real and true edit has their own account.

Save yourself the trouble =/ 205.232.156.236 (talk) 20:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment on my suggested FlaggedRev implementation?
If you have time, would you care to comment on my suggested Trial 13: Three month trial of all BLPs + flagged protection? Basically, would FlaggedRevs on BLPs and individually selected articles be ok? --Apoc2400 (talk) 23:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

White Plains Honda

 * Hi - I notice that you deleted the above as A1 - not enough context etc and wondered why you chose this. I tagged it as blatant advertising as it was purely their name and address and telephone numbers and the name clearly shows they are a Honda dealer. How much more could this be blatant advertising? I ask as I notice many decisions in the CSD arena that I frankly don't understand and I am interested to hear people's rationals. Hope you don't mind me asking. Paste  Let’s have a chat. 20:39, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Aepyornis redirect
Concerning the decision to not delete those three redirects. All but Aepyornis have minimal pages that point link to them, and even if the number is greater for aepyornis, red links assist in finding someone to fill in the blank, write an article that is more than the one-liner that I wold have for it. I don't like the redirects because when I found them, they came from and redirected to the Elephant Bird page. speednat (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Comment
How do I get my article considered for non-deletion? Your impost implies I have no chance.

Hairoddohtus (talk) 07:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Please help me
Hello, You deleted my page on Shaikh Rashid bin Khalifa Al Khalifa stating that it was blatant advertising. Can you please explain why you consider it as such? because it is intended serve as information about his artistic career. Bahrain is a small country with only two established and serious artist and he is one of them. The country is just beginning to truly recognise the fine arts. Do you have any suggestions on how it wouldn't sound as and ad? Thank you --Tokistar (talk) 07:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Do not redirect Kingdon Gould III to Kingdon Gould, Jr.
Kingdon Gould III is Kingdon Gould, Jr.'s son. Do not redirect one to the other! Mangoe (talk) 13:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've expanded his article as much as I can; see what you think. Mangoe (talk) 15:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

SIEF
A member of the executive board of the International Society for Ethnology and Folklore, the main international scholarly association for European ethnology, recently posted a brief description of the association which you deleted almost immediately because in your view the article "does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject". I have just looked at the deleted text and would very much appreciate an explanation of this judgement, including why hardly any time was allowed for more information to be added before you chose to wield the axe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derbaer (talk • contribs) 11:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Alternative to notability
Hello! I am working on an objective alternate to notability in my userspace. Please read User:A Nobody/Inclusion guidelines and offer any suggestions on its talk page, which I will consider for revision purposes. If you do not do so, no worries, but if you wish to help, it is appreciated. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 01:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke
--Dravecky (talk) 19:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Djiboutian presidential election, 2005
I've left a comment at the talk page of Djiboutian presidential election, 2005. Would this be more appropriately title 'Djibouti presidential election, 2005', like United States presidential election, 2008, etc.? Bsimmons666  (talk) 17:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

ioquake3 talk page
Howdy,

You just restored the ioquake3 article, would you kindly restore the talk page as well?

Thanks!
 * Forgot that, now done. Davewild (talk) 20:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Super!

Wikibreak
I'm having a couple of days wikibreak while I think about whether it is worth continuing to contribute to wikipedia. I can take virtually anything from vandals or people who don't care about wikipedia but when I (and others) are accused of undermining the encyclopedia, being vengeful, punitiive, arbitary, myspacers, incompetent, time-wasters and idiotic by other contributors I have to wonder what the point of contributing to wikipedia is. Due process is fine when you are an admin (and others will race to your defense) but if an admin thinks a page should be deleted then who cares about our policies. Too often nowadays an admin will just delete a page based purely on their own interpretation of policy and who cares what others think, in that situation I have to wonder what the point of contributing further is when my contributions could be arbitarily deleted at any time regardless of whether there is consensus for that action.

Jimbo once said in response to someone saying that signature books do not contribute to the encyclopedia - "Sure it does, if it contributes to a collegial atmosphere of friendliness. Snapping at people who are just being friendly doesn't improve the encyclopedia at all, as far as I can tell." Apparently nowadays many don't care about our contributors, regardless of whether they make great contributions to the encyclopedia but also occasionally want to be de-stress and be friendly with others. Along with the very prevalent practice of biting newcomers this has to be part of the reason why participation is starting to drop. When I started I was helped and made welcome despite not having much of a clue, but nowadays I doubt many newcomers are so lucky.

I will probably be back soon as wikipedia is such a brilliant idea that I would really want to see keep getting better but I can no longer feel sure that this will happen. Davewild (talk) 19:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Somaliland constitutional referendum, 2001
--Dravecky (talk) 07:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)