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Hello, I've noticed that your arbitration report says that NE2 ignored consensus at WP:HWY. This is not correct; this took place at WP:USRD. Thank you. --Rschen7754 (T C) 04:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the correction. Too many damn wikiprojects! David Mestel(Talk) 20:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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The article Wikipedia Signpost/2008-01-07/Arbitration report says that five new cases were opened, but lists only four. (Sorry to bother you with this - and thanks for all your good work!). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 14:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Dbachmann RfAr Case
Hi, would you mind explaining your summary on the project page, or point me to where the procedure is explained? It has to do with Proposed Remedies #3 and #3.1, of which you transfered only 3.1, even though both passed. Does the numbering convention require that only one of any such grouping is to be included in the final decision, and if so how is the choice made among multiple passed versions? Thanks! (Please reply here, I'll check back.) rudra (talk) 01:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question. There is currently no well-defined system for determining which of alternative proposals pass (all proposals with subsidiary numbering, like for example 3, 3.1 and 3.2, are alternative to each other), although I have set out some thoughts about what such a system should be here.  Generally, clerks set out their thoughts on closure in the "Implementation notes" section, to be commented upon by arbitrators.  In my close, I relied upon the fact that Daniel commented "finding of fact 4.1 ... appears from first reading to have a stronger "first choice" preference ... with remedy 3.1 being in a similar situation to finding of fact 4.1", to which no arbitrators.  Additionally, both proposals appeared to have the same number of first choice votes (five), and 3.1 is more recent and has fewer opposes. David Mestel(Talk) 15:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * A few things, in no particular order:
 * Excellent start with the essay. The lack of a formal procedure is definitely a hole in the arb process, inviting snafus such as inadvertent exercise of judgment by the clerk based on implicit assumptions (that is, the clerk isn't aware that he should really ask the arbitrators about something, because the answer seems "obvious", when in fact it isn't) and the potentially severe problems with any resolution mechanism that arise in the (albeit rare) situations where more than two alternatives exist (see, e.g., Arrow's impossibility theorem.)  Explicit rules are certainly preferable.  I'd like to see your essay aired for feedback and eventual inclusion in the process pages.
 * I think Daniel was referring to 4.1 and 3.1 being similar in neither of them having yet passed at that point, rather than in apparent strength of preference. In any case, it may be a good idea to add a note on your reasoning to the Implementation Notes section, just for completeness.
 * I'm not so sure about your late addition to the rule-set with respect to times, especially when the times aren't far enough apart: if they're both part of the same login/edit session, the one further down the page could have a later time-stamp simply by virtue of one's working habits. OTOH, if the arbitrators were aware of your rule in advance, and consciously took it into account, then it could work, as they could obviate a default "wrong" choice by adding an explicit indication.  I realize that you used the rule to break the tie in this particular case (James F.'s votes), but there's room to argue that this could have been an "obvious answer that really wasn't".
 * One final detail, on a completely different matter, having to do with archiving. The FoF:4/4.1 cite evidence in the /Evidence page that exists only virtually,  by template.  It may be good idea if you, as the clerk for the case, subst-ed it to get the actual contents into the page history, lest the evidence morph in the future.
 * Thanks for the reply! rudra (talk) 01:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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You may be interested discussion concerning vote-counting procedures regarding Everyking's appeal, now being discussed on WP:RfAr and on User talk:Thatcher. I'd appreciate any comments you might have. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Commented on WP:RfAr David Mestel(Talk) 16:22, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * Thanks :-) David Mestel(Talk) 15:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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Bah, I missed it! Happy birthday, David. Now GET BACK TO WORK! :) Ral315 (talk) 18:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, thanks to all. Much appreciated :-) David Mestel(Talk) 18:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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Just a note. The Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2 arbitration case closed three days ago (a few hours after you wrote your report). I really appreciate your work on the Signpost by the way. I look forward to reading it every week. --Pixelface (talk) 20:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * David is also an arbitration clerk and would know that the case closed. I've made comments like this to him sometimes too and the answer is that there has to be a cut-off point sometime or the report will never be finished. I'm sure he'll be reporting on the final decision in this case next week. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hope you had a good holiday :) Just wanted to confirm whether you'll be able to take care of Monday's arbitration report (if not, don't sweat it, and I'll cover it).  A note as to whether you'll be able to or not, at WP:POST/N/O or on my talk page, would be great in helping me plan for Monday.  Thanks, Ral315 (talk) 08:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

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I am interested in becoming a clerk.  Not hing  4  44  10:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Really bad idea, to be honest. Daniel (talk) 11:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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Chiropractic "Like many other medical procedures"
Thanks for commenting in Talk:Chiropractic. I see in rereading my reply that it was fairly abrupt, and just wanted to drop you a line saying this abruptness was not intended. I very much appreciate getting comments from outside editors, as Chiropractic tends to see the same editors over and over again. I was responding to several comments simultaneously and fear that I spent too little time typing (or thinking) when composing the part of my response that addressed your comment. Anyway, sorry about that, and I hope that you can help clarify the article text in question. Eubulides (talk) 23:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It didn't seem abrupt at all - certainly not by the standards of the internet. Sorry for rehashing what appear to be already fairly thoroughly-discussed points, but it's fairly difficult to avoid doing so without wading through the entire page and all of its twenty archives :-). David Mestel(Talk) 11:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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Just wanted to say "hi". Hope you're doing okay, and having a good summer. Ral315 (talk) 05:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello. Still frantically busy at the moment, but should be able to return the ROLL in a couple of weeks' time. David Mestel(Talk) 14:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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You may want to add something about the desysopping of to the arbitration report - see Requests for arbitration/Closed motions for details. TML (talk) 21:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip - I'm ashamed to say I hadn't noticed it. I'll probably include it in this week's report. David Mestel(Talk) 19:52, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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I don't mean to sound rude but this week's arbitration report, published on the 9th August, overlooked the acceptance of WP:Requests for arbitration/Alastair_Haines, which was accepted early on the 8th August. It is currently in the evidence phase. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk to me The mess I've made 10:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be because it was actually written around the fourth of August, and Ral was a bit slow to publish. I've corrected the date. David Mestel(Talk) 05:47, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi David, Nice to get in touch with a long term wikipedian. Just want to ask when searching Google in relation to find notability for articles etc. in AFds debates etc., i saw one of your comments in this one where you pointed to this Google search, just want to ask what is the point of adding the -wikipedia to the end? Sorry for my ignorant question, hopefully you can help. Best Monster Under Your Bed  (talk) 10:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied here. David Mestel(Talk) 18:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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I would like to request refactoring of the description of "my" case. As many editors have pointed out on talk, and as seen from editors comments, the case is about alleged misconduct of many editors, not only of my person. I suggest refactoring to "...by Piotrus and other editors... the parties deny the allegations." Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 05:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied here. David Mestel(Talk) 15:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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I inadvertantly behaved in a sock puppet like manner, by reverting a change in an article that I was recently in an edit war on, which resulted in a 24 hour block for violating the 3R rule. I inadvertantly used another account to rv Crishomingtong, Archaic d00d is the name of my other account.

I like to find editors who are POV pushing and argue with them and make articles verifiable, but use different accounts so I don't have enemies following me. Unfortunately I forgot which account I was using when I reverted the other editor, so it looks like I'm trying to use sock puppets.

here are the changes I'd like you to roll backhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yao_Ming&diff=241273381&oldid=241268379 ThanksZzmang (talk) 05:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You used a sockpuppet to revert war. I suggest you don't do so again.  Incidentally, I can't see why you're getting so worked up about what seems to me to be basically a very minor semantic change which doesn't affect what the reader sees.  Might be a good idea to forget about it, click here and move on :-) David Mestel(Talk) 14:57, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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Doesn't "I've wrote some articles on pieces of UK legislation" sound wrong? Shoudn't it be "written"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.33.140 (talk) 23:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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It's still wrong!
Please correct the grammatical error detailed in the earlier post —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.33.140 (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
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MTV Edit
David,

4 years ago I added "Doodle Doodle Dee Wubba Wubba Wubba" to the MTV Slogans references. You reverted it and sent me a message marking it as "vandalism".

Sorry it took me years to get your message.

"Doodle Doodle Dee Wubba Wubba Wubba" was indeed an MTV slogan in the 1983-1984 time frame. It was originally used in a promo spot that featured a very pompous announcer voice stating "All Music Video. All the time. Doodle Doodle Dee.  Wubba Wubba Wubba."

I still have an MTV T-Shirt with the slogan on the back.

Restore my comment if you wish.

Jack —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.9.157 (talk) 16:54, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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Summer Development Position
Dear David,

I hope you will forgive the intrusion. I tracked you down through looking for former British Informatics Olympiad team members. We have a quite tough and interesting programming problem that we are recruiting a small team to complete this summer. It relates to using co-integration and neural networks to predict stock price movement in a robust framework and is a greenfield development. I'm sure you will not have heard of Quadrature Capital as we are a relatively new statistical arbitrage trading firm and keep a very low profile, but Greg Skinner and myself were former senior traders at D.E.Shaw & Co. one of the world's top hedge funds, and Quadrature Capital is the firm we started in 2010. We are aiming for people to start asap and work until the end of September. A one or two week break over the period would be acceptable but otherwise we would prefer you to work the whole period. It is a casual working environment (no suits required) and our office is near the Bank of England in the City. Remuneration is £25k/annum pro-rata. If you are available and interested please email me at suneil@quadraturecapital.com or call 020-3239-0080.

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