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 * Hi Dr. Colquhoun, nice to see you here. As an editor with a COI, please be very careful how you edit your own article. It's not totally forbidden to do so, but it's usually best to place and discuss your additions on the talk page first and work with other editors who will then help you form the final "product". If you do that, then we will be able to remove the COI tag that has just been placed on the article. It's not good for it to be there. -- Brangifer (talk) 23:38, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I am sure that there are many articles here that would benefit from editing and expansion by someone with your expertise.  However, editing an article about yourself is almost always a bad practice.  Please read and ponder WP:Autobiography for a fuller understanding of the almost inevitable problems that this may cause.  If you believe that the article needs changes, propose such changes on the article's talk page, and let other disinterested editors implement the changes in main space.  The result will be a neutral article that fairly reflects your accomplishments rather than one that may be perceived as overly self-promotional.  I wish you well.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  05:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to add my own welcome -- I think very highly of your contributions to public debate over "CAM". I too hope you will contribute to Wikipedia; it's not always a terribly welcoming place to academics -- quite unfortunate, given that it's an encyclopedia and people with real expertise ought to be welcomed. In any event I hope you're not put off by the COI issue. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Where to go from here...
I have no idea where we go from here, so I'll just explain the situation and perhaps you can offer some advice.

For most of my life I've worked on single ion channels and stochastic processes You wouldn't guess that from the present entry, but that's because it was set up in the first place by a graduate student in Toronto, as a result of a talk I gave to the Centre for Inquiry there. She kindly said that she thought I should have one. Of course she knew nothing of my science, and even after I'd suggested that it was worth a mention, it was still very minimal. I

Even the skeptical bit isn't entirely accurate, because it concentrates on Alt Med and doesn't mention things I've done about managerialism (often very bit as irrational as Alt Med) and education policy.

The whole AM thing is something that I got into after I'd been retired from the AJ Clark chair in 2004 (at age 68). It was only after that that I had the time to do it. I've enjoyed that and I'm still doing some science too, despite now being 75). Both you and Nomoskedasticity (surely a statistician with a pseudonym like that) have been kind enough to say nice things about my CAM activities, but they aren't most of my life -more like a retirement (so-called) hobby.

I'd thought for ages that my wiki page was very unbalanced so I decided, at last, to do something about it. Most of these biographical pages are written by someone anonymous (I'd love to know who really wrote some of them). I thought that, since nobody else was about to do it, I'd fill in some missing details, and so as to be totally honest about it I'd do it under my real name. To my dismay, what I'd thought to be the honest approach immediately got me a COI notice!

I expect the most people actually edit their own biographies, surreptitiously, under a pseudonym. In fact the Wiki policy seems to encourage that sort of dishonesty. It's something the editors should think about.

What I don't understand is that, if I don't fill in the details, who will? The vain and powerful may instruct a minion to do things under a pseudonym, but most people just don't bother. I never met a single scientist who'd spent time on a wikipedia entry. They just don't have the time for that sort of thing (and having tried, I can tell then it isn't a job to be undertaken lightly!). For example, many of my colleagues have commented on how poor the entry on acetylcholine is. None has bothered to spend the week it would take to rewrite it properly (and then, it seems, go through interminable wrangles too). David Colquhoun (talk) 16:56, 2 October 2011 (UTC)David Colquhoun


 * You've clearly caught on to some of the limitations and problems of the Wikipedia model. The way forward is to participate on the article talk page: suggest and argue for changes there.  This will go better to the extent you understand core Wikipedia policies: WP:V and WP:RS in particular.  An obstacle might be the "primary sources" part of RS: there are limits on how much use can be made of your own publications to support statements about you and your work.  You will also want to avoid suggesting changes that create the impression of trying to create a "promotional" article.  I suspect the difficulty will be getting people to pay attention, giving feedback and implementing your suggestions; most people seem to find much more enjoyment from warning other editors about violations of COI and the like.  If you do make suggestions on the article talk page and no-one objects after a reasonable period, you might go ahead and implement them; if someone then objects, at least you'll know you've got someone's attention.  But start out by trying to follow the COI guideline and stick to the talk page.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Your concerns are very legitimate and we definitely want you to participate. YOU are the expert on what you've done and about your research. What may be confusing to you is that your article and your user page have similar titles. This is your user talk page, but your article's talk page is here: Talk:David Colquhoun. I suggest you go to it and start a new section where you copy what you wrote above and place it there. That way all editors who watch that page will see it and we can carry on from there. (Also keep a close eye on the history tab. Make sure you're getting notifications of any changes to articles and pages you watch. Your preferences - a tab at the top - can be set so you get such notifications and so that all pages you edit are automatically placed on your "watchlist".) Your "user" pages (here) happen to be a private corner of Wikipedia that is only watched by a few people, while your "article" is watched by more editors, many of whom will be inclined to help you. I certainly wish to do so. Your article does indeed need more content about your scientific career, and you are the man to provide that information. We can help with the formatting and give guidelines about which sources are best to use. -- Brangifer (talk) 17:36, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * OK fair enough. I drafted something and I'm waiting for comments (on what I wrote, not on the labyrinthine wiki policies). When can I expect to hear something? David Colquhoun (talk) 17:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)David Colquhoun


 * Please place your draft on the article's talk page: Talk:David Colquhoun, but try my suggestion above first (copy your concerns above into their own section), and then added your draft in another section. I could do it all for you, but the history wouldn't show it as being done by you. -- Brangifer (talk) 17:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * the text that I proposed is already at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_Colquhoun -you put it there!  It's preceded by a statement that suggests I might possibly be David Colquhoun!!  It also suggests that I may not be neutral.  I'm waiting for someone to tell me what's wrong with it.  I'm not sure how that will be possible without an editor who knows the literature on Markov processes and single ion channels, but I'm happy to listen.  I'll be happy to suggest an expert referee if you want.
 * But unless something something happens in the next few weeks I'll give up on the wikipedia processes and delete my entire entry. David Colquhoun (talk) 18:41, 2 October 2011 (UTC)David Colquhoun


 * Oh! I wasn't aware you were referring to that content. I thought you meant you had posted more. Okay, we'll take it from there. (BTW, you can't delete your entry. Once it exists, it's beyond your absolute control, but your input is still valued. It's also good to know that if anyone were to post something untrue or libelous, believe me, it would be dealt with! They wouldn't get away with it.) -- Brangifer (talk) 18:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * At least we know what we are talking about now. I posted some comments on the article talk page (thanks for clarifying the distinction), so I'm waiting for some action now.
 * Insidentally, it seems quite outrageous that I cant delete my own page, or, put differently, ask Wikipedia to remove it.  I hope it doesn't come to that, but there is a limit to the amount of time I'm willing to spend on this. - David Colquhoun (talk) 19:09, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Are we ready to proceed?
I've made some edits to the article and to the portions on the talk page that need to be incorporated. Would you like to do more, or shall we just add it to the article and see what happens? -- Brangifer (talk) 06:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That's excellent. Thanks very much for your help. The last bit goes only up to 2007, and needs some updating.  I'll draft something and put it here rather than the main article, so you can check it.David Colquhoun (talk) 12:18, 23 October 2011 (UTC)David Colquhoun


 * By all means provide whatever you can. Just add it to the article's talk page, not here. That way all the editors (probably not very many at present) who watchlist the article will see it. Are there any other particular articles that should mention you? If so, we might be able to add your name and wikilink to those articles, IF we have a RS to justify doing so. -- Brangifer (talk) 21:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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I have specified that this is Creative Commons attribution 3.0 at the time the 3rd version was uploaded. In the third version I added. It is STILL saying that I haven't specified the copyright status. Did I add the tag in the wrong place? (the HELP provided is utterly obscure -badly needs revision) David Colquhoun (talk) 07:56, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Frayæ Thank you very much, not least since I was told earlier today that it had not been accepted. It has a notice above it about citation of sources. I have asked the Help desk for a bit more guidance on what they want to be improved on my draft for Catherine_Hobbs_(mathematician). The comments made on it by Missvain and David Eppstein were very brief and not very helpful, at least for people like me who has written only a few Wikipedia entries. I'm happy to make alterations once I understand what they want. David Colquhoun (talk) 19:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the clarification. I have added now quotation marks to the only part that's a literal quotation (linked to the source). Is that OK now? David Colquhoun (talk) 15:24, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
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