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Anne Delong
Dear David:

Thanks for the reminder. I mostly have been filling in the form; I guess I forgot that time. Anne Delong 17:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Dear David: I see a newly created article called "Pittosporum kirkii" which is very informative, but uses unnecessarily complex language. For example, "terrestrially" instead of "on the ground" and "rupestral lifestyle" instead of "growing among rocks". Is it okay to simplify some of this language? It seems to me that Wikipedia is not a botanical journal. On the other hand, maybe sections of it are... Anne Delong 21:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anne Delong (talk • contribs)


 * Hi Anne! Yes, absolutely, one may edit nearly anything - including Wikipedia technical pages and guidelines, where these have not been protected! Wikipedia encourages all editors to "Be Bold" (but please also see BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle so that you have a thorough understanding of what you could get into). I agree with you that using fancy language may contribute to the formality and impressiveness of articles, but it does not help the majority of readers to understand what they are saying. (In fact, if you had not explained "rupestral" I would not have known what it meant!) The point is, just do it. If someone does want to start an edit war over a particular change or changes, then either, if it is a minor issue, just leave them to enjoy their "victory" (See also the 3-revert rule). or, if you believe it is something important (for example, defamatory, seriously misleading, vandalism etc) then call for help from an Administrator (admin for short). If you do need some heavyweight help, go here. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Greetings!
Hello. I saw your edits to WP:PRV and I wondered why you "backed out". My impression is that the volunteers there are hardly ever asked to do a peer review, but maybe I'm a bit misguided. Best! Biosthmors (talk) 05:17, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Biosthmors - just didn't realise I had to subst; couldn't get the entry to work properly. It's ok now, thanks for your interest!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 05:22, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Great. You're welcome! Thanks for signing up. Biosthmors (talk) 05:25, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikify has been deprecated
Hi David! Just a friendly note that Wikify has been deprecated in favor of more specific templates. Therefore, I removed Wikify from Hogup Cave. Happy editing, and happy new year! GoingBatty (talk) 04:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Batty, happy new year to you too! Yes, I grabbed for that one because it seemed to me that so many things needed to be wikified! I suppose I should use the specific tags. Do you have any useful suggestions for what to do about this article's huge number of sections, (which creates a very long contents table)? I don't think it looks very nice. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone could consolidate it to remove non-notable detail, or use ;Stratum xx instead of ===Stratum xx=== . Good luck!  05:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs)

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Adeli Suit Article
Hi David_FLXD. I am coming back to you with regards to the ADELI Suit Article. First and foremost, I do admit most of the article was inspired by the document you mentioned. I am not a native English speaker, although I did went to an US college. This was my first time writing a Wikipedia Article, so I am totally unfamiliar with the entire process, particularly with references, citations, grammar, etc. As you see, I am not acquainted with the TalkBox, either. Any help that you can provide to help the article to get published would be extremely appreciated. If there is anything I can do on my own behalf, please let me know, I am more than willing to help in any way I can. --Fixxer85 (talk) 16:13, 25 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Fixxer, I have made some substantial changes (improvements) to your article. There is still plenty to do, but have a look. I have highlighted where more information is needed (look in the Edit view to see hidden comments) and where you need to supply suitable sources. Something else to work on is that the excellent notability (in Europe, especially Eastern Europe) must be presented in the article, referencing the many newspaper reports on the ADELI suit treatment. Contact me again here when you have done what you can!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 08:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi David_FLXD. I have made further changes to the article, added some new information and even few references. You can see them in the "Edit" version of the article, after each of your previous comments. Could you please take a look and modify the article as necessary? If there is any further action to be done, please let me know, I will take another look (perhaps work on the notability in the Eastern Europe and naming facilities providing this kind of treatment?). --Fixxer85 (talk) 13:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Matt Fellowes Article
Thanks for editing my article about Matt Fellowes. As this is one of my first Wikipedia articles, I appreciate your guidance. I believe I understand what the article was lacking and have edited it by more clearly inserting independent references that show Fellowes' notoriety. Reference 26 is from an independent source and explains that Fellowes is regarded as an important character by the Huffington Post, a reliable and independent source. I have also added a story by Tech Cocktail wherein Fellowes is the main subject of the article (reference 4). If there is anything else I can do to improve the article, please do let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElisabethLesser (talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Elisabeth, thanks for coming back to me! Let me explain what I'm going to do, and why. On the references which you have highlighted for me, I can see that Fellowes' notability may meet Wikipedia's standards for an article - but in my opinion it is marginal. A similar situation exists regarding the HelloWallet article. Both articles have actually too many references of not very good quality, which makes it difficult to find the few good ones. However, back to the point. I am going to publish the Fellowes article, and then I am going to nominate both that one and the HelloWallet article for deletion. Please - I am not doing this to be stupid or nasty. When I nominate them, they will each go to the Articles for Deletion process, where an extended opportunity is given for anyone (including you) to evaluate them, discuss them, and come to consensus on whether they should in fact be deleted - or kept. I want a broader assessment. I suspect that the decision may well be to keep one or both of the articles. You will see in my introduction at AfD that I am not out to kill the articles but to establish by broad consensus whether they should be kept in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. In the meantime, you (and anyone else) are encouraged to continue to improve the article/s, even as discussion continues, and any improvements made will be taken into account. I trust you will understand where I'm coming from.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi David, I have always been under the impression that wikipedia articles greatly benefited from more references, but I have removed a number of articles from the Matt Fellowes page and think I have proven from an independent source that he is a notable person. If you don't agree, I hope that you might give me some guidance about how I could make the page better rather than nominate it for deletion. ElisabethLesser (talk) 14:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Elisabeth, as I have indicated above, I'm not looking for a deletion so much as a consensus decision (which is not made in a hurry). The reason for that is that I am really not sure myself whether they qualify, or can be made to qualify. The AfD discussion might very well result in a decision to keep the article/s, which would also protect them in future. The more improvements which you can make in the meanwhile, the better they will look. I will also have a look in a day or two and see how far you have got. It is also possible for me to withdraw the nomination if they can be improved clearly enough. These are the critical guidelines on notability, which is the key issue, as I believe: Go to WP:NN and check out the linked pages on Organizations and Companies, especially WP:CORPDEPTH and on People especially business people. If I can give you any other help, do ask.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 10:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Copy editing of Mobile phones on aircraft
Hi David! I'm glad I looked at the talk page of Mobile phones on aircraft before doing copy editing for the current backlog elimination drive. We might have otherwise been stepping on each other's toes a bit. If you're still planning on that work, by all means, I'll step back and let you do it. Either way, I encourage you to join this month's backlog elimination drive. First of all, "claiming" the article there will prevent future confusion, and of course, you'll get to be part of the fun and earn a barnstar or two for your efforts. Thanks, BDD (talk) 02:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi BDD! Thanks for the advice. I'm using the Chrome browser, so the prosesize script won't work for me. I have tagged the article with the tag (thanks for pointing that out). I'm not troubled about awards for the drive, and expect to be slower than more experienced copy editors. On the other hand, I believe I'm more likely to be thorough than some. I am familiar with WP:MOS and confident that my English is up to GOCE standards. I would, however, appreciate your looking over my shoulder every once in a while! Thank you,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll mark the article as one you're working on. I had done a word count before I started on it, so I'll put that in for you too. Just leave me a message if you'd ever like any help. Best, BDD (talk) 06:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, User:Dr pda/prosesize should work in Chrome. I'm using Chrome now and am not having any problems. There's a confusing sentence in the documentation ("It will not work in Google Chrome at all"), but this only refers to the "To try without installing" feature, not the installation itself. You may want to give it a try again. I can help you troubleshoot. --BDD (talk) 06:18, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Not having my skin listed, I put it in my common.js page; seems to work ok. Does one copy the info manually? Oh yes, and I changed that confusing sentence in the documentation, which is exactly what put me off!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 06:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's see, it's been a while since I installed it. Yes, you should be able to just manually copy User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js and then bypass your cache. Good call on your edit to the documentation. --BDD (talk) 16:08, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

A kind request
Dear David,

Thank you for reviewing article, which I submitted to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/TVN_News_and_Services_Agency#TVN_News_.26_Services_Agency

I am not sure, if I understand well why it has been declined. I would very much appreciate if you could let me know why the resources that I provided are concidered unreliable. Is it because they are in Polish? I am extensively using English wikipedia for my academic work and very often I find articles in foregin languages as resources

I am willing to follow you instructions and resubmitting the article.

Thank you and best regards!

Justyna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justyna121 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Justyna, no, not because they are in Polish - that is quite understandable! Not that I can read Polish, but the problem is that if I look at the web addresses of the sources there are too many which seem to be linked to TVN itself. I interpret this to mean that according to Wikipedia's policy of WP:Independent_sources, most of your sources would not meet this standard. If I were XYZ radio anchor and you write an article about me, how I have interviewed even the Pope, and someone asks how do you know that's true, and you have to say to them well XYZ radio anchor says so himself, then you can see why supporting sources need to be independent! However, if, say, the BBC has reported the interview with the Pope, or Le Monde newspaper has written an article on the interview, then you have some good proof for that statement in your Wikipedia article.
 * Also very important, you have not used any inline citations. You need to put a link in the text to that particular source which supports your statement. See Citing sources. For example, you say, "9 November 2009 - TVN Agency is launched as the first news agency in Poland to produce video news content and provide broadcasting services." This sounds like a promotional claim because there is no direct citation to point to the source of the information. You need to show, by inline citations, that every main point in your article is supported by an independent and reliable source. And you need to show that TVN is Notable, that is to say, important enough so that other media are reporting on TVN itself. This last should not be difficult to do. Your sources do not need to be accessible on the internet (although some at least should be, with a modern topic). You can also refer to printed newspapers with articles on TVN itself (not, however, listings of TVN programmes - that is not significant coverage!). I trust this will help you. If you address the independent sources and the inline citations I am confident we can accept your article. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 14:27, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Stizic page corrections
Dear David,

Thank you for reviewing the Mark Strizic article I submitted. I have followed your request to add more references and have also included a list of collections which hold Strizic's work, also adding links back to searches of their sites for their extensive holdings of his work.

Regards sinarau (talk) 22:03, 6 January 2013 (UTC) James

Brothersoft.com Article
Thanks for reviewing my article of Brothersoft.com. I think I really need some helps for improving my article. First, I don't think I can find many notable resources for the website I'm writing about, so does it mean I can't improve it and make it published?
 * At present all your sources originate from Brothersoft itself, including the CrunchBase article; you have no independent sources at all. While this is the case, no, you will not get your article accepted. Your article content must be substantiated by clearly independent and reliable sources. Then you must also show that your topic is notable, by Wikipedia's definition, which amounts to a neutral third party (preferably several of them) finding Brothersoft significant enough to report on it publicly. This may be either in online or print form and you may reference either. On finding sources, has Brothersoft not perhaps been reviewed in computing magazines (online or printed)? This is the kind of place to be looking for satisfactory sources. On the other hand, if you believe you really will not be able to find suitable sources in the foreseeable future, you would do better to set the article aside and work on something else.

Second, since this is my first article creation, I referred to some similar articles like "Download.com", "Softpedia.com" and more, and I found that they all have an infobox or table on the right side of their articles and I think they are quite useful and helpful. Can I know how to make it and I want to put it in my article, thus I can at least quote the Alexa statistics which should be counted as reliable resources, right? I'm looking forward to receiving your feedback. Thank you again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma jones123 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * For a start page on Infoboxes, go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes, and also read the linked pages.
 * Wikipedia's view on Alexa stats is as follows (see Wikipedia search engine test): "Alexa rankings do not reflect encyclopedic notability and existence of reliable source material if so. A highly ranked web site may well have nothing written about it, or a poorly ranked web site may well have a lot written about it. A number of unquestionably notable topics have web sites with poor Alexa rankings." What this amounts to is that Wikipedia will not consider Alexa rankings with regard to notability.
 * I trust this helps you. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 15:22, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Frank Richardson
Hello David,

Thank you for reviewing my article.

I have been away over the Christmas period and come back to a pile of e.mails! Hence the delay in replying to you. I have looked at the work/formatting you have done for me and it is superb. Thank You. This is my first article and I am on a steep learning curve. I did get a photo of Grandfather registered on Wikipedia, now I have to learn how to attach it to the article. Also, I have to learn how to link it with the original web page which started me off on this:  Wikipedia>city of Salisbury Police>Frank Richardson. I haven't done any citation editing on your work yet but I am guessing all I have to do is click "Edit". I am going to start adding the citations you suggest ASAP. I am very grateful for this; pleased to receive any comments/suggestions or criticisms. To be honest I have given up on this project twice within the last six months but now I am nearing the end it is really proving exciting and worth while. I will have more to contribute.

Kind Regards

Timothy

TimothyWF (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi TimothyWF! I made some changes to the Ernest Frank Richardson article, including adding an infobox with the picture you uploaded. I also added a link from Salisbury City Police to Ernest Frank Richardson.  I hope you'll continue working on the article, and maybe improving some more.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Roosh
Can you take a look at the Roosh page if you have time. I fixed it up because you stated he was notable but now another admin says he's not. Clarification would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapastillaroja (talk • contribs) 04:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * First, I'm not an admin, just a reviewing editor. Yeah, I'll have a look, if I must. I sympathise wholeheartedly with avs5221's comments, but objectively I have to stick to my view that Roosh meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. However, avs5221 has a point about the quality of the sources, and you have far too many bad sources. What I'm going to do first is try to delete all the bad sources and see what you have left. After that, I'll probably do a NPOV edit on the text, and then see if it looks acceptable. Give me a day or two, no more.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 14:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I think an issue is that a lot of sources are foreign, and it's hard to get an understanding if those sources are reputable or not. If he still fails the notability guideline then I'll just wait and see if more Anglophile outlets report on him. Lapastillaroja (talk) 15:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Your sources are certainly good enough, but you have used far too many. A couple at a time is plenty! I cut a lot of them, and cut and rewrote quite a bit of your article to make it more neutral in tone, as an encyclopedia article should be (it should not take sides). If you are satisfied with my edits I can accept and publish the article. I must warn you that your topic is so clearly controversial that you will need to be extremely careful with any future edits or additions to the article. Some readers and editors will react in a biased manner and will be looking for reasons to delete the article - we are all human. Note that I have cut the interview section entirely (too promotional, see the hidden comment in the article's edit view) and the Russia section, as the Neva24 article did not seem to support the statement you were making. I hope you will be able to see that my aim has been to make the article publishable. Let me know.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 20:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I definitely agree that your edits improved the article. My draft didn't have a filter on the sources (I simply added everything I could find from a news-type site). Feel free to re-submit the article or whatever the next step is. If you need assistance from me, don't hesitate to ask. Lapastillaroja (talk) 21:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * There ya go! Done.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 21:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool! Thank you again. I'll keep your advice in mind when making future edits.Lapastillaroja (talk) 23:05, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Mobile phones on aircraft
Hi again, David, and thanks for putting so much effort into this article. Some stream-of-consciousness observations:
 * Try to avoid (or reword, or remove when you encounter them) relative time references, such as "the present FCC regulations", which quickly date articles.
 * Avoid definite or indefinite articles ("the", "a") in section headings.
 * "In-flight" is hyphenated when used as an adjective.

Great job! I hope you can still stop by after the middle of the month. All the best,  Mini  apolis  20:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking the trouble to go over it, I really appreciate it! Thanks also for your clear guidance above, I will try to remember as I edit. I will necessarily be on a wikibreak from the 16th, having no internet access when I move house, but hope that this hiatus will be brief and I expect that after that I will be around, although not very active because of busyness in real life. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 05:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Good luck with the move; I foolishly assumed you were returning to school after the holiday break. When you get internet access in your new place (and find your computer :-)), WP can be a welcome break from unpacking boxes. See you later and all the best,  Mini  apolis  14:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Article on sculptor Cleo Hartwig
hello~ I'm writing, as per your instructions, directly to you, to ask if you would kindly take a second look at my article on the sculptor Cleo Hartwig. You said the article was acceptable but that you declined it because the references needed to be beefed up. I hope I have done so now, sufficient to warrant the acceptance of the article. Many thanks for your consideration. I do think it's a better article now. (AmericanArt52 (talk) 20:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC))


 * Hi, AA52, good job, you have fixed enough of the issues to reach acceptance (as I'm sure you've seen!). Your references are now very good, and you have at least some inline citations. If you would like to improve the article still more, and maybe change the rating from "Start" class to a C or even a B class, you need to use your existing references and provide rather more inline citations. Every time you make a statement which someone might logically challenge, you should point to which reference (or references, if there are more than one) substantiates that particular statement. If you need help with this, have a look at Referencing for beginners or perhaps Inline citations. You should also include a (hidden} Persondata section with basic info filled in. But really, well done, you've got your first article online! Congratulations!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 20:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Cleo Hartwig article
Hello~ I am both amazed and grateful that you got back to me so quickly. Thank you. I am also delighted that the article has been approved. I went to implement your suggestion (about adding "persondata") immediately but when I reached the page I found that it had already been done! Did you by chance add it? Also, you advised me to add more inline citations to upgrade to C or B status. I was reluctant to do that because, in most cases, when I am referring to a particular art exhibit in which a Hartwig work was shown, I only have a copy of the catalog from that exhibit-- I did not know if a catalog would be accepted for a citation (i.e., a Sculptors Guild catalog for their 1953 show). If so, I can certainly put those into inline citations. When I complete the upgrading task, I will let you know-- Many Thanks again for sharing your time and expertise. (AmericanArt52 (talk) 22:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC))


 * Hi AA52 - well, let's say you got lucky: I happened to login soon after you left your message. And reviewing editors who find that a contributor has listened to and acted upon their advice tend to be pleased with said contributor!
 * Re the Persondata, if you click on the "View History" tab, you will see that GoingBatty added the Persondata. He/she is one of the editors who patrol new pages and fix little flaws that they find along the way (as well as protecting Wikipedia from vandalism). The history view shows you exactly who did what to every page on Wikipedia.
 * Re inline citations, once you have established the basic facts with the independent, reliable and widely published sources, you may use some non-independent sources to flesh out the content of the article, provided that they are not used to support partisan or peacock statements.
 * From the article, here are a couple of examples of where inline citations are still needed:


 * Introduction, first sentence: This is not controversial but it is important. Which of your sources told you that she is a direct carver, or that she studied under De Creeft, who is one?
 * Life, second para: A substantial quotation from Hartwig must be substantiated with an inline citation.
 * And, not to be too critical, here is one that you got exactly right:


 * Introduction, second para, you write, "She is regarded as a member of The New York School," with inline citation. Spot on! Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 03:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Comment on AfD
I have a question about your !vote on Articles for deletion/Jelq (2nd nomination). You say "Delete per nom"...but did you note that I (the nominator) have since changed my position and now support either keeping or merging the article? Sources have now been found that seem to discuss the subject...others may disagree, but if you are commenting "per nom", then you should be commenting to keep the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi David. I think you have seen the version of the Ananda Marga Caryacarya (Parts 1, 2, and 3) article when all the academic sources had been deleted from an user. I have all restored. Can you please thake a look again at the article?
 * Qwyrxian, no I did not notice; Cornelius383, actually (see the debate) I was careless. I have changed my vote to merge; explanation is in the AfD debate. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 14:36, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks.--Cornelius383 (talk) 14:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - January 2013
 Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 354 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Alliereborn, Iselilja, Peterkp, and Sosthenes12. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

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Franziska_Hoengesberg
Franziska Hoengesberg,

sorry I cannot now find much info. on this forgotten female nazi SS guard.Valleyspring (talk) 04:34, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, never mind. It is good to begin an article by first finding sources which you can use - then you know there is enough to write on. I do not want to discourage you from contributing; please see what else you can find to write on (of course including the Holocaust, WW II, Nazism, etc.) If you need any help or advice please feel free to ask me, you are very welcome. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 05:09, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Dryland
Hi David

Thanks so much for taking the time to spell out what was wrong with the Dryland article - I agree with all of it, having had a second read. Following your kind invitation, I've asked user RuthStillman to have another go, as she is a proper writer. If this version doesn't pass muster then maybe I should give up on it as being unsuitable for Wikipedia. I had trouble separating those aspects of Dryland that are genuinely new and notable from all the stuff that disqualified the article. To me, what's notable about Dryland is that it is the first serviced office company to appeal solely to London's super-rich, basically. All the other serviced office businesses like Regus cater to either start-ups or ordinary freelancers. Now, catering to London's super rich necessarily means providing Maserati-wielding chauffeurs and other luxury baubles - those things are what makes Dryland a first - but, as you rightly pointed out, all that stuff made the entry sound like an ad. If the luxo bits are not notable in themselves then maybe the whole thing is not for Wikipedia, since the baubles are the sole source of notability, if we discount the v high-profile founder Jon Hunt. In all other regards, Dryland is not notable - it provides office space! Now, is it best to call it a day, or is this newer shorter version up to the mark?

Cheers A BTW, I am surprised how much I'm loving editing Wikipedia. It's oddly addictive! :-)

I really hesitated to decline this article - but it needs just a little more work. Your sources and inline citing of the references are very good, no problem there. Layout is also good, although what is that "Dryland company slogan =" doing above the infobox? I think the problem is more with the tone and focus of the article - it reads rather too favourably and not neutrally enough, and in my view there are too many direct quotations (probably contributing to the somewhat promotional tone) and not enough straight text written by you as the contributor. I am also a little concerned (but not enough by itself to prevent me from accepting the article) with the focus: the article is on Dryland, but quite a lot of the content is about Hunt. With a subject only a year old, this is understandable, but background material about Foxtons or Hunt himself should be limited to their respective articles except where it directly impacts on Drylands. Please feel free to discuss these issues with me directly on my talk page. If you feel you have addressed them, you can also ask me to have another look at the article immediately, rather than go through the AfC queue again. David_FLXD (Talk) 02:59, 20 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arndale (talk • contribs)


 * Hi Arndale, great job on the final edit. Your article is online, but I had to change the title as an existing redirect page was in the way. I have linked from the Jon Hunt article to Dryland (club). I needed to do no further edits. If anyone should happen to complain about "promotional language" in the article's present form, just point out that you have stated facts as reported in your several impeccable sources! Well done, and a pleasure to be able to help you to make Wikipedia just that little bit better! Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 16:58, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Article for Dekho.com.pk
Hi David,

First of all, I would like to thank you for taking the time to review my submission: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Dekho.com.pk

May I ask why you decided to reject this article? I had provided citations to every claim that was made in the text - this is quite clear if you check the cited links, most of them are from prominent newspapers in the country. Newspapers in Pakistan are one of the most authoritative and trusted sources of news in the country, which formed the basis for my references.

Would be very kind of you to to reconsider my submission. If indeed you believe it is still not acceptable in it's present form, please let me know specifically what needs to be changed and I will edit accordingly.

Many thanks again. Bilal.

Btg86 (talk) 07:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Bilal, of course you may ask! (In fact, we encourage you to ask!) The prime basis for my declining the article which, as you say, was well sourced and reasonably well referenced, was that it seemed to serve more as an advertisement describing the services offered by Dekho, and Wikipedia is not meant to be a platform for advertisements.
 * Let me apologise for the (automated) wording in the decline notice: it does start by saying "reads like an advertisement", but then, wrongly in this case, goes on to talk about sources and referencing which is really not a problem in your article. I believe the programming editors who prepared the notice based it the most common issues, and in fact I had forgotten what it actually said, or I would have given you a clearer comment in addition to the standard notice - so, sorry for that!
 * How to fix the article?


 * Explain what makes the website important; what part does it play in the lives of Pakistan internet users; what makes it different from or better than similar service providers? Supply sources (I am confident you will easily find them, or be able to use some of those you already have) to substantiate these statements. You must be careful to keep to a neutral and objective description and stay away from anything that might be labelled as marketing or promotional language.
 * Supply only enough detail on the services to give an encyclopedia reader (not potential clients!) a reasonable idea of what kind of site it is. A catalogue of services gives the impression that you are looking for customers.
 * Discard the media coverage and recognition section, as a section. However, use some (not all) of this material in your opening paragraph to explain why the site is notable. For example, don't say, "In Aug 2012, Dekho.com.pk was featured in an article by The Daily Times, providing statistics on the sale of second-hand items in the cities of Islamabad and Rawalpindi.", rather, report what the newspaper said about the website, eg. Dekho.com sells the second-most (or most, or third-most, whatever) second-hand items in Islamabad and Rawalpindi. And reference the statement back to the newspaper.
 * I encourage you to see what you can do to improve the article along these lines. When you have done that, come back to me directly (there are now nearly 1,000 articles in the Articles for Creation queue!) and I will see if it is ok or if anything more needs to be done. On the face of it, it does seem to me that the article is potentially acceptable, it just needs more work. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 17:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Felicia Pride
Hi David,

I'm making edits to my article on Felicia Pride and I just want to make sure I am clear on what caused the initial decline in the first place. You cited that the article's references did not meet Wikipedia's guidelines on notability. To resolve this I've added several more independent, secondary sources in order to substantiate the subject's notability. Is this the extent of it? Thanks,

Jessica.fenney (talk) 23:04, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Jessica, thank you for coming back to me. I have spent an entire hour of my life going thoroughly through the sources you have provided:


 * 1) http://aalbc.com/authors/felicia_pride.htm - a hosting site with an article that appears not to be an independent source, also not reliable.
 * 2) http://www.maynardije.org/features/women-color-tech/felicia-pride - uses the above source and and fp's personal website - not independent.
 * 3) http://www.audaciousideas.org/author/felicia-pride/ - a blog post with almost no content and which appears to originate with fp - not independent, not reliable.
 * 4) http://diydays.com/portfolio/felicia-pride/ - another blog site, therefore not reliable, featuring an interview with fp. The information source is therefore fp - not independent.
 * 5) http://www.pbs.org/mediashift/2013/01/5-tips-for-transmedia-storytelling030.html - one apparently staff writer thinks it worth asking fp's opinion for one section of the article. By itself, a negligible contribution to showing notability. Let's see what else there is.
 * 6) http://www.pridecollaborative.com/ her own creation. Not independent.
 * 7) http://www.thephatstartup.com/2013/01/09/how-to-use-your-writing-to-build-a-platform-with-felicia-pride/ - a blog which claims to have been written by by James Lopez but may have been written by anyone, including fp. Not a reliable source.
 * 8) http://www.emerson.edu/emerson-profiles/felicia-pride - another interview. Information therefore comes from fp herself and it is not independent.
 * 9) http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/metrocenter/hiphopeducation/who/fellows - content written by fp. Not independent. It is unclear whether being a fellow is of much value as to notability; according to Wikipedia's guidlines, it would appear not.
 * 10) http://www.amazon.com/Patterson-Heights-Kimani-Felicia-Pride/dp/037383148X - it's a book listing on Amazon, with good reviews. Without something more (eg. the book is award-winning or has made a best-seller list) it is of negligible worth towards notability. The info on fp comes from fp's Amazon page which contains content supplied by fp and this source is therefore not independent.
 * 11) http://hiphopwired.com/2012/10/16/the-message-life-lessons-from-hip-hops-greatest-songs-focuses-on-rap-messages-for-youth/ Extract: "As a Hip-Hop education fellow, Pride has had her work and research featured in major publications and mediums such as NPR and USA Today." Well, I wouldn't consider NPR a really reliable publication, and it is only major in some circles; however, where is the alleged USA Today article? That would be a good source. Unless it is another interview with fp, of course. "NBC, recognizing the importance of Pride's work, has released The Educators' Guide to The Message as a free companion e-book as well." Where is a direct link to NBC on this? That would also be useful. For this source, it is one minor news source which does help a little towards notability. But so far we have far from enough.
 * 12) http://thebacklist.blogspot.com/ Content mostly by fp. Not an independent source. Not reliable (it's a blog).
 * 13) http://www.artseveryday.org/CulturalOrg/profile.aspx?id=2426 Looks a lot like a press release or self-published listing. Not independent. Possibly not reliable.
 * 14) http://urbaniamag.com/tag/felicia-pride/ Yet another interview with fp. Not independent.
 * 15) http://thecreatedaily.com/about/ her own creation. Not independent.


 * In conclusion, I suggest you keep the hiphopwired source and the pbs.org source. The rest are no good for establishing notability for the reasons stated above. You can still keep, I suggest, one or two of the most comprehensive of them, in order to reference your article content, but they should be used only to flesh out the article. The basic facts, and notability, need to be established by a combination of the two sources I have mentioned here and at least one other major source or a few more minor ones. If you can track down that article in USA Today (even if only as a print reference), that, together with these two sources, would be enough to show adequate notability, even if it is another interview. See the WP guide on Reliable sources for help. Finding a reliable link to explain why fp was selected as a hiphop education fellow would also go towards notability. Perhaps also you need to read WP:BLP, the living persons biography guide; it explains what to put in and leave out, and why we are so strict with regard to BLPs.


 * Please also delete the facebook and twitter links. They do not belong in an encyclopedia article, which is what you are writing here.


 * I trust you will find this helpful rather than destructive. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:52, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


 * P.S. Be careful to avoid copyright violation. There are so many articles stating a similar introductory summary of fp's accomplishments that it will be difficult not to duplicate one or more of them, even by accident.  David_FLXD  (Talk) 04:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Felicia Pride
Hi David,

Thanks for the quick response and the very thorough explanation. It's much appreciated. I've made the changes you suggested. I added the article from USA Today as a reference, as well as the link to NBC, and even the feature in NPR, although you questioned its relevance in some circles. I did keep a few of the references you sited as being not independent just for the purposes of referencing the article's content. If I understood you correctly, you said that if it was to that end (and not for the purposes of establishing notability) such references would be permissable? I've also removed the twitter/facebook links. Hopefully, this time around I'll be met with an approval. Thanks again for your insight!

Jessica.fenney (talk) 07:10, 31 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's close enough for acceptance. I've messed with your opening sentences, see what you think, feel free to undo the changes if you don't agree. I've also added a citation needed tag in the article body where you make a very general, vague statement which is unreferenced. Re the opening sentences, don't a) have too long a list of things the person has done (it looks like bragging ie WP:PEACOCK, and b) don't go into unnecessary detail, because you just want to give a broad overview here. If later you want to explain that she is the chief content officer, do that in the body of the article. I have said "a leading author..." because you have now shown that in your sources, so it is both reasonable and recommended to make the claim for notability in your lead sentence. Thanks for your work in fixing the article, and for your contribution to Wikipedia! (And do feel free to continue to improve the article!! Use the links I gave you in your welcome mat to see how.) Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 15:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Are you still editing, or should I submit to someone else?
I was working on an article for the subject "Mandy Goodhandy" a while back, and then got tied up with other duties.

You gave me very detailed help and instructions.

I am wondering, should I send the update to you, I see that it says you are busy? If I should submit it to someone else, please do let me know.

I am confident that I can clear up this article and make it worthy of inclusion. I think it was pretty close.

Also, I have done a thorough search, and I am not finding the original talkback that you gave me. It was July 2012. Does that information have an expiry? Forgive me if I am being foolish, I am new to the interface, and have just spent the last 10 minutes searching and not finding it.

Toddklinck (talk) 02:57, 9 February 2013 (UTC) Todd Klinck

Stephen (Steve) K. Ray article.
Dear David FLXD:

Hello! I hope all is well with you.

Mr. Stephen Ray contacted me about the issues that have developed with his biography, since its publication on Wikipedia. In reviewing the article, it became clear that Mr. Ray has done some substantial editing of the article himself. In further researching the issues with the article, I discovered his message to you and was deeply troubled by some assertions he made in that message, assertions I wish to clarify now.

I have never met Mr. Ray. I am in no way connected to Mr. Ray nor to any of his for-profit or not-for-profit business ventures. I am not a fan of his nor has his life story ever inspired me to do anything, especially since I didn't know it prior to writing the article. Mr. Ray approached me through LinkedIn about writing this article for him and I accepted, because I'm a writer and it was a paying job, an opportunity which is rare in this current economy.

As to the article, I have not even looked at it, since we agreed upon the final draft after your extensive revisions. I don't have a copy of that final draft, so I can't recreate it. If there is anything I can do to eliminate the reservations about the article that currently exist, please let me know. Again, it's a paying job and I could use the money.

Thank you, again, for your patience, understanding, and assistance.

Respectfully,

FireWriter154 (talk) 20:54, 17 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, Fw - On article page click View History, click on the revision you think is correct (use "Prev"ious rather than "Cur"rent) and when that is open click on "Restore this version". Fiddle about till you have the right view. You will be asked for the reason. If this does not work then you do not yet have permission to do that; in that case raise the issue at the Teahouse where you will get help very quickly. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 03:29, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Article for Dekho.com.pk
Dear David,

Thank you very much for your clear guidelines; they were very helpful!

I have now edited the article, making sure it is in line with the requirements you have explained. Please have another look and let me know if the submission is acceptable this time around.

I look forward to your kind support, many thanks again.

Bilal.Btg86 (talk) 11:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * You have clearly understood what was needed. It's online. Well done, and keep up the good work!  David_FLXD  (Talk) 19:17, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you David, very much appreciated :) Btg86 (talk) 12:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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Cleo Hartwig image
Hello David,

You were very helpful to me when I posted my first Wikipedia article, which was a bio of the sculptor, Cleo Hartwig. I just tried to upload a picture to her page but was denied permission by Stefan2. The picture is already posted at The Smithsonian American Art Museum because the work is displayed there. Here is the address: http://americanart.si.edu/collections/search/artwork/?id=10049

I also uploaded a portrait of Cleo Hartwig whic she paid for, a professional portrait for her press kit, commissioned of the photographer Soichi Sunami, who died in 1971. Do you foresee any problems in my using that photo?

Many thanks for your help and guidance. --AmericanArt52 (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)AmericanArt52


 * Hi, AA, sorry about the delay, as you see I am quite occupied in real life; I am going to have to put up a complete wikibreak notice. Anyway, not your problem.
 * I'm not sure about the "denied", unless there is some correspondence I am not seeing. The picture has been nominated for deletion, and what you received is a notice of that and an invitation to contribute to the debate (on whether or not to delete). What you have explained to me above is, I think, a satisfactory situation in regard to WP's copyright policies, but lacks written confirmation (which can be done by email). Have a look at that discussion here, feel free to edit and add your comments. That is also a good place to ask for help with exactly how to get an image approved. (I am not a copyright expert, and it seems to me that Stefan2, and others who will look at that page, are editors who are involved with images on WP Commons and copyright protection.) Generally you will find that although an editorial notice can create a rather negative impression, as soon as you actually open communication with that editor they can become quite helpful. Unfortunately 90% of contributors never make any effort to understand or comply with WP policies, so we kind of value those who do make the effort. What I can say is that when you upload any image to Commons, you must make an accurate statement as to whether it is free of copyright restrictions or under what licence a non-free image is being released. This has to be confirmed in writing by the copyright owner. If Cleo Hartwig commissioned a professional portrait and paid for it then I believe it is very likely that she is the copyright owner: an email from her, in one of the recommended WP formats, confirming that she releasing the copyright under whichever licence, to Wikipedia, will then ensure that the image is accepted. I hope this helps. I don't know when I'll be back online, so if this doesn't solve the problem, then please do just type in a question at the Teahouse, where they will direct you to the right people. Regards,  David_FLXD  (Talk) 19:06, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Roosh marked for deletion
Hey David. It looks like you correctly predicted the vandalism that would happen on the Roosh page. And now there has been a call for deletion for not meeting notability standards. What are your thoughts? Lapastillaroja (talk) 12:55, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

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Contest of the month No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. By John Carter

Featured content and GA report Since the last report;

Featured report; Madonna in the Church, by Ceoil, Truthkeeper88, and Johnbod was promoted to Featured Article status. Crucifixion and Last Judgement was promoted to featured picture status, after nomination by Crisco 1492.

Wells Cathedral, by Rodw, Robert of Ghent, by User:Ealdgyth, Christianity in Medieval Scotland, by Sabrebd, and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, also by Sabrebd were promoted to GA status.

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This depiction of the Crucifixion and Last Judgement was painted by Dutch artist Jan van Eyck and promoted to Featured Picture this month.

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Calendar This coming month (end-April through end-May) includes Easter Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Matthias the Apostle, The Venerable Bede, and Empress Helena. - Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)


From the Editor Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on... THE HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...
 * ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

- Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

Ichthus is published by WikiProject Christianity. For submissions contact the Newsroom &bull; To unsubscribe remove yourself from the listhere EdwardsBot (talk) ~

WikiProject AFC needs your help... again
 WikiProject Articles for creation Backlog Elimination Drive WikiProject AFC is holding a one month long Backlog Elimination Drive! The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from July 1st, 2013 – July 31st, 2013.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive. There is a backlog of over 1000 articles, so start reviewing articles! Visit the drive's page and help out!

A new version of our AfC helper script is released! It includes many bug fixes, new improvements and features, code cleanup, and more page cleanups. If you want to see a full list of changes, go to WikiProject Articles for creation/Helper script/Development page. Please report bugs and feature requests there, too! Thanks. Delivered at 13:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC) by EdwardsBot (talk), on behalf of WikiProject AFC

Kirbyjon Caldwell
Hi David,

I was looking over the article on Kirbyjon Caldwell and noticed a number of cleanup messages. I wanted to at least try a copyedit, but it doesn't seem all that bad. I agree it needs way more references. Would you mind having another look?

Thanks! Richard Apple (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Request for peer review
Hi David FLXD,

I saw your name listed as a volunteer for peer review - particularly for articles related to sports. We are working on expanding the article on Swedish footballer Emilia Appelqvist to ensure it is not deleted and also to improve the article to a higher assessment class. Would you be willing to take a look at the article and provide feedback? Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 16:57, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)


From the Editor Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on... THE H</BIG>ISTORICAL <BIG>J</BIG>ESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...
 * ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?

Calendar This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.

- Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from a variety of other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

Ichthus is published by WikiProject Christianity. For submissions contact the Newsroom &bull; To unsubscribe remove yourself from the list here EdwardsBot (talk)20:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC) This issue was distributed on behalf of Gilderien, current editor of the Ichthus, at 20:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC). Comments and other feedback are always welcome at his talk page.

August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter
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From the Editor

Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on... <BIG>T</BIG>HE <BIG>H</BIG>ISTORICAL <BIG>J</BIG>ESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

Did you know...
 * ... that in 1951 Christianity was the second largest religion in the world with 500 million followers, compared to 520 million Buddhists, but by 2013 it had gained the top spot with about 2.2 billion Christians?

Calendar This month we celebrate the feasts of St Lawrence, St Bernard, and St Augustine.

- Help requests Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

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October 2013 AFC Backlog elimination drive
<div style="border: 2px solid #484898; background: #FFF; background-color:#98FB98; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 90%"> WikiProject Articles for creation Backlog Elimination Drive WikiProject AFC is holding a one month long Backlog Elimination Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from October 1st, 2013 – October 31st, 2013.

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There is a backlog of over articles, so start reviewing articles! Visit the drive's page and help out!

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WikiProject Articles for creation Backlog Elimination Drive
<div style="border: 2px solid #484898; background: #FFF; background-color:#98FB98; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 99%"> Hello, David FLXD:

WikiProject AFC is holding a two month long Backlog Elimination Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from December 1st, 2013 – January 31st, 2014.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over articles, so start reviewing articles! Visit the drive's page and help out!

A new version of our AfC helper script has been released! It includes many bug fixes, new improvements and features, code enhancements, and more. If you want to see a full list of changes, visit the changelog. Please report bugs and feature requests there, too! Thanks. EdwardsBot (talk) 09:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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