User talk:David Fuchs/Archive 16

your note on my page

 * I do partially apologise for over-reacting, here and in my edit summary. TONY   (talk)  07:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Riven image
That image should do fine, it captivates the environment quite well. I can't find the image I was after anyway, and its a lot of effort to install a five-disc game just to get one screenshot from the beginning of it. On the subject of images, can I ask your opinion of Vortigaunt? Do you think I should downsize the infobox image a bit, to make it shorter and not so space consuming? I'm also wondering whether its worth including an in-game shot. -- Sabre (talk) 18:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I made the image myself—the joys of a model viewer—so I can provide you with any angle you want. I'm going to experiment with some other angles, but once I've found one I'm happy with, I'd love for you to add some "crispness" to the edges, I had to soften the edges in Paint Shop Pro to get rid of a lack of anti-aliasing in the model viewer. -- Sabre (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Try this for size. Same animation, from the other side, with the camera angle a little lower to remove the foot extending half-way down the screen. As you can see, without softened, anti-aliased or otherwise untreated edges, its edges look awful. Damn shame that anti-aliasing isn't enabled in the model viewer. -- Sabre (talk) 19:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid not. That's as big as I can get it in the model viewer. -- Sabre (talk) 21:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That picture's not too great because its an older version of the model, the one originally included with HL2. The current image is of a model introduced in Ep2, and is far superior in detail and lighting effects. I really want to use the Ep2 model, as it is the latest incarnation of the character. See what you get from from the one I gave you anyway, if nothing else works I can always use my run-the-soften-brush-around-the-edges technique on the raw image, it still shows the character in a decent manner. -- Sabre (talk) 21:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Riven: The Soundtrack Talk Page
Could you explain this deletion, seeings you failed to do so in the deletion summary? Talk Islander 19:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, well in the future d'you reckon you could use the deletion summary? Helps avoid these things... Whilst I'm at it, perhaps I'm being thick (a distinct possibility), but I can't find any concencus / suggestion to merge the article... Talk Islander 20:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Riven.
I'll be sure to stop by the FAC soon. · AndonicO  Engage. 16:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm still jealous at your FA count, and look, here I am helping you bump it up. ;) · AndonicO  Engage. 16:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Pfft, you need to take third grade math. :P I'll try to have Riven done by tomorrow morning (twice over, because one copyedit is as worthless as an ant's behind). And a beer with a frosty beverage would be fine with me. :) · AndonicO  Engage. 19:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts on remaining articles
I removed the articles you removed from the "Myst franchise" Category as most of them had to do with video game studios or creators and not games. I also prodded one of them, which leaves Pyst and Mysteria Film Group, and both of them are pretty weak. I suggest scrapping them, merging anything of value to the Myst series article and redirecting there. That way, all loose ends will be taken care of. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps put Pyst under popular culture references in the series article as it is still pretty small, and I think it may not be a game in the full sense, so it wont have as much development or reception to justify its own article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm the one who created the Mysteria Film Group page, and am actively contributing to it as more details about the group are revealed. I object to the wholesale 'scrapping' of the topic and have restored it. If you have any doubts about the validity of the project, I suggest you read/listen to the various interviews of Rand Miller about the project; below is a link to an excellent article about this:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/txt/archive/?postID=5293

Please give this topic time to mature. Robert The Rebuilder (talk) 11:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

UNSC
Hi David. I would like to split the UNSC section into two other sections; one mentioning the government, and another one mentioning the military branches. Seeing as how you are mostly in charge of the article, I though I should have your permission. So, can I start working on it? I promise I'll make it good. Please. :) --UNSC Trooper (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that could work. I'll see what best fits it. Thanks a lot. --UNSC Trooper (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Image for UNSC
If you're going to use another image for the UNSC section, I'd suggesting using this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Halo3ODST.jpg It's more, representative. Oh, and I'm going to start working on splitting the article tomorrow. --UNSC Trooper (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you.
I've wanted that barnstar since I helped make it a barnstar. Thank you very much. :) Oh, and I'll try to go to DC sometime, just for that frosty beverage. :P · AndonicO  Engage. 16:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Fight the Panda Syndicate
Hello once again. I didn't realize you had left a message regarding the Fight the Panda Syndicate Wiki. Yes, I have just created a user account. I'd love to improve the content for the page.

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[edit] Re: Fight the Panda Syndicate

Frankly, even if people have worked on it, doesn't make it notable for inclusion. However, if it gets deleted, I suggest that you create a user account, and I will post the old version in your userspace if you want so you can work on improving the article. David Fuchs (talk) 11:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Clerk tasks
Please see AC/C, specifically item 4. Only arbs, clerks and clerk helpers should be removing items from RFAR. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 16:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Myst III: Exile
Sources look fine. I even fixed a typo for you. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Ti'ana
Judging by the deletion of the page and the fact she wasn't merged into Characters of Myst, it seems that you're not including Ti'ana in the articles. Ti'ana may not appear in the games, but she is a highly important character in the backstory and two of the novels. She should be covered to some extent in a section in Characters of Myst. -- Sabre (talk) 11:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree
The statement about ignoring all rules wasn't directed towards your attitude towards the rules. I believe that you make good faith attempts to interpret and understand rules. My advice to you was that it's impossible to have a discussion with someone who takes "if a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it" as meaning that we can completely ignore a guideline in all cases, and create a new guideline that contradicts it. There's no value. Take your time to distance yourself from these kinds of nonproductive discussions. Randomran (talk) 18:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the guideline should compromise with some of the people who are opposing the guideline on a genuinely different interpretation of the general notability requirement, or about concerns about organization or clarity. But you're right that the consensus has to ignore people who do not respect the consensus formed on other guidelines, thus leading us to create guidelines that contradict each other: (e.g.: saying that articles on fiction don't need reliable independent sources, and can be based entirely on self-published sources or the actual subject itself). Don't worry too much about the fringes who ignore some guidelines all the time. Usually other editors ignore them. If it becomes disruptive, there's mediation, arbitration, and requests for comment. Disputes might be resolved peacefully due to a good faith but mistaken belief on their part. Let's develop a consensus that's compatible with current guidelines, and resolve disputes with the fringes on a case by case basis. Randomran (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a good attitude. Try not to let yourself be frustrated by people who use IAR to ignore a guideline outright. I have faith in the consensus-building and dispute-resolution processes in wikipedia that either editors will adapt, or the guidelines will. This notability issue might go all the way up to Jimbo. So be it. But developing a specific notability guideline based on the general notability guideline is the next logical step. And there may be more steps after this. The end game is one of two things: this begins the unravelling of the general notability guideline, or (more likely, IMO) it reinforces it and clarifies it. Randomran (talk) 18:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Irony
Regarding the final part of this edit, well, oddly enough, apparently someone ended up seeing fit to actually do so (don't worry, I am absolutely not saying you had anything whatsoever to do with that and not even that the now blocked editor in question was inspired by your comment as it appears to be retaliation for Administrators%27 noticeboard/Incidents). Best, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 20:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Super Mario Land
Hi. In this edit you removed the plot heading, and I was just curious why. Was the content more appropriate in the gameplay section, or was it just a mistake? The Prince (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, didn't know that. The Prince (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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re: Halo
I will re-read the page tonight and see if I can list out some examples. If I can't, well then I don't have an actionable oppose, do I? -- Laser brain   (talk)  23:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you help me out with something?
I am trying to consolidate a topic I started a while ago, which is the Lone Wolf (gamebooks) series. The main article of the list of books, of which there are 29, is List of Lone Wolf media, and I would like to merge the 28 book articles into this list. The thing is, I don't want you to do all the merging obviously, but you are really good at creating the format and syntax used, and I am clueless. I want it to look like the Halo media list; if you could help me create a draft of it, that would be awesome. :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you make it so that the sections on Flight from the Dark is Name, Release Date, and Media? If you do that for me, I can probably do the rest myself. :) You R THE BEST :D Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I'll say hi again as I get closer to Featured List status, which would be a first for me. :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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Request protection
Would you mind putting some protection on Team Fortress 2? Its been hit by a lot of vandalism over the last few days. Thanks. -- Sabre (talk) 10:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Myst
Don't worry about the Vortigaunt then, the image we have should do. Thanks anyway. As for Myst, I'm slowly progressing through Myst III (Voltic's down, two to go), I doubt I'm going to have it in the bag before you've already done it (seriously man, you're a machine), however, I've just finished reading the last of the three novels and since I just sent Day of Defeat: Source to GAN, there's nothing stopping me from helping—the Half-Life stuff can wait a while, I've been doing too much Valve stuff recently. I'll be able to work on the Characters of Myst and the Myst canon articles, I just won't be able to add specialised information on them past Myst III at the moment. But I'll at least be able to set the groundwork for them. By "five main games" I presume you're not familiar with Uru then? -- Sabre (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Atrus' family tree: is it really necessary? It's rather large and looks awfully messy in Atrus' section. Surely it would be better to do away with it and make sure all the relevant connections are made in the prose of the articles and relevant mediums (ie, Kahlis doesn't appear outside of Book of Ti'ana). -- Sabre (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Halo: Contact Harvest and Publisher's Weekly
Saw you message on talk:WikiProject Books, are you still looking for that review? Let me know. --Captain-tucker (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's specifically for the audio book version, here is the abstract: The article reviews the book "Halo: Contact Harvest," by Joseph Staten and read by Holter Graham and Jen Taylor. Not sure if I should post the whole thing here, do you want to email me your email address and I will send it to you.  --Captain-tucker (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:FA-TEAM
There is an up-and-coming project there and it seems that you would be interested. You seem to have a lot of expieience with FAs and I suggest that you go take a look. Have a good day :-) Mm40 (talk | contribs) 15:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I see that you've joined. Could you go through King Arthur and look at the writing? Maybe improve it? Thanks. Mm40 (talk | contribs) 15:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

re: Halo
I started reading from the bottom (Machinima) and several fixes were required. I will look at the rest later. If it seems close, I'll just copy-edit as I'm reading and see if we can't get it promoted. If not, I'll leave more comments. -- Laser brain  (talk)  14:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The last good Myst game
Yes, I will be happy to help in copyediting The Quest to Reclaim Releeshahn. You'll need to give me a couple of days, but I will help, since I enjoyed that game a great deal (although I didn't care for the Edanna stage; at a certain point, I had to resort to mindless clicking around – felt to me like the designers put aesthetics ahead of gameplay). If you don't hear from me by Tuesday, please drop me a reminder. Cheers! – Scartol  •  Tok  10:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've finished my copyedit. Comments are on the talk page. Cheers! – Scartol  •  Tok  14:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Question about Myst: Book of D'Ni
I've got a question about the Myst: Book of D'Ni article you might be able to answer. See: Talk:The_Myst_Reader --DanielPharos (talk) 12:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

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FA-Team Mission 4
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AfD nomination of Mysteria Film Group
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SimCity 4
Hey, would you be interested in working together on this article? Or if not, do you know anyone who enjoys playing this game or games like this and would be interested in working on the article? You've been working on Myst articles, and so now I've become nostalgic for old (1+ year) games; I'm a pretty big fan of the Myst series, but Maxis is probably my favorite game developer of all time and I'd love to work on this. Gary King ( talk ) 15:39, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Civilization 4 is another article I'd like to work on; it's another great intellectually challenging game, like SimCity and Myst, in my opinion. Gary King ( talk ) 16:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like to also note that "Development" sections are probably my biggest weakness in video game articles, so I will need some help there especially. You seem to find some pretty good sources for those. Where do you go to find them? Gary King ( talk ) 17:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Random drive-by comment: I love SimCity4 and if you need a copyeditor or peer reviewer when you are done drop me a note and I would be happy to help. I never "got" Civ 4 (though Civ 3 was awesome) so I probably won't be much help there.Karanacs (talk) 21:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll make a note of that. I've never had someone copyedit any of my articles before... at least, I don't think so, so this would be nice. Gary King ( talk ) 05:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

re: AwardCenter
Very good point. It is rough now and basically amounts to a collection of examples. I need to remove editors' names first of all to make it about the page and not about editors. Then I need to make sure the examples demonstrate the overall negative effect of the page. I think the people that are really interested in the GA process will do it regardless of the existence of an awards center. -- Laser brain  (talk)  20:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.
In an amazing measure of our turnaround... thanks for the comment on the Hulk page. I agree that stripping out most of ALL the fictional bios, esp. in comics, where the serial nature leads to perma-creep, would be great, It would be great if we could reduce most of the comic bios to the essential nature of a character - 'When Shang-chi found out his father was an international crimelord, he resolved to fix the dishonor his father brought to his family, and turned his amazing Kungfu skills to fighting his father's criminal empire. Over the years, he has been a part of several groups to combat this. Some time ago, he discovered he was dying of cancer, and has redoubled his efforts to fight crime before the cancer overcomes him.' end of Fict bio. Like that, for almost all of them, except where serious scholarly work has been done, like bats, supes, and spidey(and, of course, Hulk). I also am glad to see you supporting the current format there. I think it's ready to go under the GA review again. thoughts? ThuranX (talk) 18:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

About your edits in Wipeout 3
Hi, I noticed you have been making a substantial number of edits to the Wipeout 3 article, removing the part that outlines the differences between the original and the Special editions, which I can't see merged back in other parts of the article. So I'd like to know the specific reasons over this modification, or if it's just a temporary thing, and you intend to put them back later. Thanks. --Lashiec (talk) 17:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, a quick research shows that the game went largely ignored by gaming sites, which didn't even bother to test it. The only sources I found are MobyGames (very brief), and a dedicated Wipeout forum, which has a more detailed look. Although considering the strict considerations for something to be considered a reliable source, I don't think these two could make the cut. --Lashiec (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

New source
Kevin Rorabaugh, “How Hardcore Are You? Your proudest gaming moments: The next contestant in our monthly harder-core-than-thou competition arrives!” in Electronic Gaming Monthly 228 (May 2008): 10. Made a potato launching replica of the M41 SSR MAV/AW Rocket Launcher from Halo; features a photograph as well and set aside from other letters to the editor in special colored box in magazine Anyway, I am notifying you and some others know in case if either believe it can be used in the articles (I am not a Halo expert per se and believe that while I found the source and I believe it useful, someone else may know better than m what to do with it). Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 01:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Mike Salvatori
Hey, I was looking around at random stuff and stumbled upon Michael Salvatori's article. I saw that it was proposed for deletion and someone suggested giving it six months to see if someone would expand it. Well, it's been six months and it remains quite the model stub. I've always kind of seen articles notability by their poetential; ie. If there's no hope of getting up to GA, then why bother? Now, he's obviously a good composer or he wouldn't have lasted this many years with Bungie; which gives him a pretty good resume if he ever wanted to move on as a lead composer or similar project. But I currently don't think there are enough sources to build a solid article (especially stuff about his childhood, etc.). I figured I'd contact you directly since you were involved in the previous discussion. Thoughts?  Black  ngold29   05:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Block Dispatch
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