User talk:David Fuchs/Archive 20

Re:Coppin' our style...
As I said to Guyinblack, I've used a number of Halo articles as exemplars for improving a few of the StarCraft ones, mostly for structure, because of key simularities between the series: science fiction, influencial in genre, significantly expanded universe for a video game—there's quite a few parallels. Nought wrong with that, its arguably good for consistency in style across WP, even if it is unoriginal. I tend to work best when I know quite what it is I'm pursuing, and the Halo articles, most being solid GAs or FAs and often being the only vaguely related video game articles around of high quality, do just that. As for the StarCraft media thing, I certainly got the idea from List of Halo media, but after recommendation, its also somewhat based around List of Kingdom Hearts media as well, except I prefered the Halo approach of keeping images and prose to the intro. If anything, take it as a compliment: your work's good enough to be ripped off! :D

Shame about the image, I suppose the one we have will have to do. -- Sabre (talk) 22:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Another bit of Half-Life cruft has been put down, I thought you might want to know due to the deletion nominations of a few a couple of months back. Combine has been rewritten, and I've merged (what little was actually worth merging) Seven Hour War into it. Slowly but surely, Half-Life is being cleaned up. Shame I don't have access to Raising the Bar, that thing probably contains a ton of design information that could be used... -- Sabre (talk) 19:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Can I borrow you in an administrative function for a moment? Could I ask you to clear out previous version backlogs of Image:HalfLife2 City17 TrainStationSquare.jpg and Image:Test chamber AYool.jpg, to remove the non-free images stored there? I'm assuming that all admins can do that, if not, I don't suppose you could point me to that template that requests the removal of previous images. I can't find it anywhere, it doesn't make itself easily found. -- Sabre (talk) 19:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

A Link to the Past reverting AVGN removal edits
Please be advised that ALTP is reverting edits made to remove AVGN from Wikipedia pages. My edits are made per the previous group consensus at the video game project discussion. As was decided, vigilance was decided as the best means of keeping the spam off the wikipedia pages, rather than blacklisting AVGN outright. This also includes further questioning on my talk page, where he's pretending the entire discussion at the video game project never happened or never really meant anything. I've notified A Man In Black as well. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 23:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Chinese exonyms for places in Japan
I disagree with the too hasty deletion of Articles for deletion/List of Chinese exonyms for places in Japan.

While I have no particular interest in the substance of this page, I was inclined to keep it because of its categories, which were so unfamiliar to me that I was still exploring the cohort when you closed the deletion thread.

I am concerned that no one who worked on this page was notified that it was being considered for deletion. A template was placed on the deleted page, yes. However, a conventional follow-through which would have involved notifying each of the contributors about the proposed deletion was only assumed to have been done. As User talk:Atitarev shows, this was not done, despite the fact that the anomaly was specifically noted, e.g.,
 * Administrivia: The templates seem to have not been completely applied to this AfD -- I've attempted to fix them, but if a full-time wikignome could check my work, that'd be wise. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC) [emphasis added by Tenmei]

I am also concerned because there was at least one suggestion that the content could be retained if it were re-cast in the context of a re-titled article, e.g.,
 * Comment: The articles you listed are useful and encyclopedic because they address pertinent topics. The problem with this article in question is that 1. per TakuyaMurata, why Chinese?  And 2. since the overwhelming majority of Japanese kanji has its correspondance in Chinese, and that the overwhelming majority of Japanese placenames are written exclusively in kanji, there is virtually no "real" Chinese exonym for Japanese places.  I'd suggest changing this article into List of exonyms in East Asia, and listing placenames in China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc., all of which used the Chinese writing at one point, making real exonyms (e.g. Seoul) of particular encyclopedic interest. But in any case there's nothing in this article now that's worth keeping.  o (talk) 13:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC) [emphasis added by Tenmei]

I don't understand why it is not construed as significant that one of the article's contributors did argue to keep; and there was a modest response to the suggestion that the article could be re-focused and expanded in light of the general comments of those who saw no value in the work, e.g.,
 * To user o, who initiated the deletion: There is a big number of monolingual lists in the Wikipedia. You might to review them before trying to delete someone's efforts. You suggested to improve, why not instead of being destructive be productive and improve the article instead? I suggest Korean and Vietnamese may be a candidate for a separate article, as they don't have a Kun'yomi concept, which makes Japanese and Chinese so different (more different than modern Chinese vs On'yomi. --Atitarev (talk) 06:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[emphasis added by Tenmei]

I was struck by the fact that the arguments to keep were thoughtful, considered, informed. In contrast, the fact that editors arguing for delete offered only cursory comments. I am persuaded that these becomes relevant factors.

In my view, the following alternatives should be considered:
 * 1) This deletion should be reverted, and the discussion thread should be re-opened ... AND
 * 2) A reasonable amount of time should be allowed for comment by the editors who constructed this article ... AND
 * 3) This article might be proposed for consideration by the Article Rescue Squadron ... AND
 * 4) As a general rule, the significance of unfamiliar categories should not be too casually dismissed as appears to have been done in this instance. --Tenmei (talk) 15:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to argue that the result was wrong, only that closing off discussion was too rushed. I don't quite understand what you're offering to do, but whatever it is becomes a good step in a constructive direction.  Please explain the term "source code." --Tenmei (talk) 15:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I rarely disagree with 日本穣  in such matters as this; and  日本穣  did favour deletion.  Please allow me to reiterate: My reservations focus solely on what seemed to me the premature nature of that closed discussion .... which could have remained open. --Tenmei (talk) 15:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, please provide the source code. I also need a copy of the edit history.  My solution to this trivial problem involves ensuring the several contributors to this article will have access to the source code; and I guess that means that I will have to contact each one individually.  Thank you for helping me work through this in a step-by-step manner.  I have three related questions:
 * Am I correct in believing that, as a conventional practice, the contributors to an article are notified when it has been nominated for deletion?
 * Am I correct in feeling I was remiss in not commenting about this oversight as soon as I noticed it?
 * Am I correct in believing that I was short-sighted in not appreciating that the I needed to propose thread be kept open longer than five days so that there would be an appropriate opportunity for the contributors to comment further? --Tenmei (talk) 17:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the source code. I have copied this text plus our merged discussion thread at User:Tenmei/Sandbox/List of Chinese exonyms for places in Japan. You have explained that "as long as you aren't canvassing, you are allowed to notify wikiprojects/related contribtors." However, other than Atitarev, the only way I know how to identify the list of contributors is with the edit history; and the only way I know how to identify relevant wikiprojects is with the talk page. Can you retrieve this information? --Tenmei (talk) 18:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your follow-up. --Tenmei (talk) 18:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

zomg
Heh. Well now that you've nominated a tropical cyclone at FAC, you have to join WP:WPTC. Mwahahaha. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Khan?? Who's Khan? [[Image:718smiley.svg|30px]] fine, I'll review it... –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:45, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Two noms
David, why did you nom two FACs back to back at a time when reviewers are screaming about the list size? Pls withdraw one until the other has moved further along. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Cite journal
It is generally considered bad practise to change edit-protected templates without a consensus for the change first. Martin  (Smith609 – Talk)  19:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre
I'm looking at proposing a mentor agreement for Sceptre, to take effect either this week, or in a month or so. (That is, either further to the current AN thread; or, in a small while, assuming the current discussion is rejected as no consensus to unblock.)

Would you be interested in being a mentor? I intend to volunteer myself.

Anthøny ✉  18:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Image question
Is Image:AXXo.jpg copyrightable? It's just text, but of a logo (for a software pirate). Gary King ( talk ) 04:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Could you give me the status of the images at StarCraft: Ghost? Are they acceptable? Will I run into any problems at FAC? Gary King ( talk ) 01:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Logo is already 256. I removed second Nova image per my edit summary reasoning. Gary King ( talk ) 02:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay done. Is it just me or are the tenses used in the article all out of whack? Or is it used correctly? Should I refer to the game in the past or future tense in the Gameplay and Synopsis sections, which assume that the game will never be released? (Like: can, could, could have). I actually think that using present tense would be easiest to write and to read. Development is fine since all of those events have taken place in real life. Gary King ( talk ) 02:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The other editor helping out on the article re-added the Nova image; I guess I can see how it can be useful, because the other image where Nova is in a firefight certainly doesn't show how the game's primary character looks like. Would we need some more critical commentary on her or should it be okay as it is? Gary King ( talk ) 15:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * All done Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 01:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I like Ike. Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 01:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 04:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

&larr; Could you give an image check on Half-Life 2: Episode One at Wikipedia:Peer review/Half-Life 2: Episode One/archive1 when you've got time? Thanks! Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 20:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Star Trek
Would you like to nominate Wrath of Khan for GA? Also, what article will you move onto after finishing The Undiscovered Country? Alientraveller (talk) 16:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Martin O'Donnell
Thanks for always being right on top of his page and reverting that spammers idiocy. 75.68.103.16 (talk) 16:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Re-evaluation for FAC
Can I get you to re-evaluate the FAC for Crush? I think the points you raised have been addressed. Thanks. --M<font size="-3">ASEM 18:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just want to followup on the comments you made after this for the FAC, specifically on the Lead and story. As I've noted there:
 * The game has maybe 6 to 10 minutes of actual story, with a half-paragraph in the manual. I have expanded it since you first looked at it (expanding the ending, trying to connect the story to the gameplay even as tenanious as it is, but expanding it any more starts to push against free content issues (percent of original work used).
 * The lead has been expanded since you've first read it. Given the length of the article (about 1500 words), the size of the Lead is actually appropriate (2 paragraphs), and it pretty much summarizes all the key points of the article; adding any more would start to duplicate information instead of summarizing.
 * As I noted, I made these changes before your last comment on the FAC, and responded with the above. I know what I had looks very similar to what was there before (when you made the original comment on the lead/story) but it has been expanded as much as I think I reasonably can per the information available, MOS, and non-free concerns. I have not changed that since your last comment.  --M<font size="-3">ASEM  00:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Casu Marzu
Hey. You mentioned a while ago that you had some sources for Casu marzu. I'm unfortunately working on the article, and I need all the help I can get. Thanks. Cheers, Intothewoods29 (talk) 20:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the sources for the article. By the by, any chance you could translate the three PDFs in German? :D Also, do you if the MOS specifies that the names of cheese should be italicized throughout the article? I'm too lazy to look it up. Thanks. Cheers, Intothewoods29 (talk) 03:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Concerned FAC
Hi, you posted a complaint about the articles prose in some areas, in the first FAC. I might have resolved those issues, could you please take a look at it when you have time, and tell me what else you think should be improved? Diego_pmc Talk 22:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Where the Star Wars drama started
See User talk:Gary King/Archive 13 and User talk:Sephiroth BCR. :) — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 02:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, oh. I sense a challenge. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 21:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC) I can't really work on FLs since I'm busy with school *tear* Oh, and I'm now in full agreement with your "Gary is a tyrant seeking to conquer Wikipedia" dictum now ;-)
 * Fuchs is also trying to reach the top :D Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 21:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My condolences to David, but I don't think anyone is ever going to catch Hink in WP:WBFAN. — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 21:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ROFL, posts at the same time on the same subject. Well, best of luck (pray that Hink gets sidelined into FSAs :p). — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 21:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Mark Speight
Hi, you commented on the (failed) FAC; please can you help me out by leaving some feedback at peer review? Thanks, and best wishes, -- how do you turn this on  12:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

3 is 4; 4 is 3
Wipeout 3 is the forth game in its series... so whats with the '3'? Did you ever find the reason for why that is the case? <font color="#666666">« ₣M₣ »  00:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Halo 2
Can you please give me a reason the system requirements for halo 2 on the PC was taken off.Kyle1278 (talk) 03:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Translation?
I'll see what I can do. You might email me what you have. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 20:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just emailed you some translations. — ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 18:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Halo 3: Recon logo
I just noticed that you removed the logo image I added, and I can't say I wasn't expecting it somewhat. I thought it would work out like what was done for Diablo III, but there you go. Anyway, I had originally intended to add a speedy deletion tag to the image if it wasn't kept in the article, but apparently there isn't one specifically for self-uploaded images (I assumed there was because there are such tags for self-made articles). Would adding db-g7 work since I am the only contributor to the image? If not, could you go ahead and delete it for me as a request? Thanks. -- Commdor    { Talk }  22:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Much obliged. I'm nettled that you found the box art before I did though, I've been searching for over an hour and gave it up as lost cause. That's what diligence does for you: you can spend forever trying to do something, only to find out someone did it before you and better; but I digress. Thanks again. -- Commdor    { Talk }  22:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's on (if it isn't the final art, that is)! -- Commdor    { Talk }  22:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

House pilot
Hi, I see you did a great job expanding the article about the House pilot episode. It seems up to FA quality again. Were you planning on nominating it, or are you finished? -- Music 26/  11  16:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, nice job by the way.-- Music 26/  11  16:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

FACR
, you posted at one or more of the recent discussions of short FAs. There's now a proposal to change the featured article criteria that attempts to address this. Please take a look and consider adding your comments to the straw poll there. Mike Christie (talk) 19:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Oblivion FAC
Thanks for the heads-up. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 11:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Cite journal template changes
Per issues you raised, please consider commented at Template_talk:Cite_journal. --Karnesky (talk) 06:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

peer review
Just wanted to remind you about WikiProject Video games/Peer review/Grand Theft Auto clone. You said you might have time to do a more thorough review at some point. I figure folks are busy around this time, so I'll understand if you have to back out. But even a quickie PR would be better than no PR. Thanks either way. You do good work. Randomran (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a million. Top priority is comprehensiveness, so try to identify any gaps. I figure some of the other grammatical and organizational issues can come out in a GA nomination. Randomran (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't let me be a pest here :) But just curious how the peer review is coming along. Randomran (talk) 17:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL! Sounds like you're busy. I can definitely sympathize. This weekend would be great, but keep me informed if something else comes up. Randomran (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Check your inbox. Randomran (talk) 19:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Khan Noonien Singh
I am filing a complaint on AnI over your claim of ownership of this article. There has been no discussion, much less consensus about leaving out information sourced from Star Trek: Enterprise, and until such time as actual discussion occurs and actual consensus is achieved, the removal of validly sourced information is detrimental to the article. I'm serious here, so also please stop violating AGF. Since you say there is no cronyism, I'm following the rulebook despite my suspicions. -- Davidkevin (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Requesting a peer review (and/or copyedit?)
If you have a chance, could you take a look at Half-Life 2: Episode One and if you want, post a review at Wikipedia:Peer review/Half-Life 2: Episode One/archive1? Or better yet, just copyedit the article directly? I've been working on this article on and off for six months, and I'd appreciate a second set of eyes on the article before I submit it to FAC. Thanks in advance! Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 07:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Why'd you add so many extra lines in the article? (Check your diff.) Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 02:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 18:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Aether (video game)
Hello David, I've dealt with your suggestions to the best of my ability, when you get a minute would you mind checking that they're done to your satisfaction? I've left a few comments on the talk page which hopefully explains what I've tried to do. Someoneanother 00:42, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

RfC/U
There is currently an open Request for Comment on User Conduct here, regarding G2bambino. As someone with past interactions with him, you are invited to comment. — [ roux  ] [ x ] 15:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of female Nobel laureates
Per the FLC, I need a good image reviewer to check the images for proper tags and whatnot, and you appear to be the man for the job. Thanks, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 02:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And Featured list candidates/List of Nobel laureates in Literature also please. :) — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 02:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you revisit your comments at the female Nobel laureates nom? Thanks, — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 19:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you instructed Gary and I to "duke it out" for WP:WBFLN, and I think it's gone nuts (his 13 nominations to my 10). Personally, I've given up (as I have to study for midterms at some point), but good luck warding off the tyrant when he starts on FAs again ;-) — sephiroth bcr  <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">( converse ) 07:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

LOL
Typo? :P –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  19:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I dunno if House has made it to Mars yet. Giggy (talk) 13:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Eh? Hey, I'm still new to this admin stuff! Just because it takes 5 tries for me to delete a revision... –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  02:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * being an admin... i'm doin' it wrong. –Juliancolton <sup style="color:#666660;">Tropical <sup style="color:#666660;">Cyclone  13:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Image check request
Image check on Metroid Prime 3: Corruption at Wikipedia:Peer review/Metroid Prime 3: Corruption/archive2 when you get the chance please. Thanks in advance! Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 07:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Pilot (House)
Good work on. Next time you're trying to pull an article up for FA, consider letting me know—I'll happily collaborate. ;) Best, <font color="#2A8B31">Anthøny (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Gamecritics.com
David, you name keeps popping up at Talk:Super_Mario_Sunshine for having emailed the site's owners. There is also a discussion at Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Lockdown 08
Hi, yeah you commented on Lockdown (2008)'s FAC. First, thanks for being apart of the review. Though it failed, I'm grateful you took the time out to read it and give your thoughts. Now I plan on renominating it for FAC after a few weeks of copyedits and reviews from people outside of the project. The reason I'm here is to ask you exactly what you think the main probelms in the article are so they don't come up in the review again.-- Will C  03:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, the main problem was the reliability of some of the sources such as WrestleView. Thanks.-- Will C  01:48, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Michael Tritter
Hi, you said you would take a final lookover this weekend, but I haven't noticed anything. If there's a delay could you inform me, please. -- Music 26/  11  10:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for passsing the article.-- Music 26/  11  20:53, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Halo Movie
Would you allow a halo movie page to be started if it had a Category:Upcoming films and/or a Category:Unfinished films sign at the top of it? This would then be allowed in the NOTFILM rule as there is the Halo: Landfall trailer, which includes the vehicles that would most likely be used in the film. Ste900R (talk) 15:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, just asking Ste900R (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

FA Help Request
Hi there. I saw you on the list of FA Team members, and I was hoping you might be able to help me. I'm currently working on 11th Airborne Division (United States) to get it to FA-Class (having failed one FAC for content and prose issues) and I was hoping you might be able to look the article over for MoS problems. I think I'm fine with prose and content (although fresh eyes never hurt!), but I'm never quite able to understand all the intricacies of MoS, especially when users at FAC always seem to disagree over it. So, rambling at an end, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Skinny87 (talk) 16:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

House's Head, LexisNexis
Yes, of course I'm interested.-- Music 26/  11  22:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

email for gamedevloper PDF
Oops, missed that message on the VG magazine page. Use masem01 at gmail dot com, if you could please. --M<font size="-3">ASEM 19:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Peer review/Myst V: End of Ages/archive1
Got a few so far. Gary King ( talk ) 19:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)