User talk:David Fuchs/Archive 22

NotTheWikipediaWeekly
Hi there, I undid this edit since for some reason it caused the historical tag to be transcluded to the community portal in the NotTheWikipediaWeekly sidebar. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Hi, could you update the page with anything outstanding? It's a bit difficult to see what else needs to be done. Thanks! Gary King ( talk ) 20:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a few more reviews now. I got your email, but didn't use them because I found a few good reviews online and if possible, I'd prefer using an online source so others could verify them if necessary. Gary King  ( talk ) 02:45, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay; what do you think of it now then? Gary King  ( talk ) 02:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This? Gary King  ( talk ) 02:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, but not all of them I assume. Gary King  ( talk ) 03:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I chose what I think were the best and integrated them into the article. Gary King  ( talk ) 03:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: IGN
Emailing would only get you no where...Sorry, I was busy today. Hopefully tomorrow I can help. I'll try aking pic's of it, and giving those to you. ;) Skeletal ''' SLJCOAAATR Soulsor 02:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob, man. I just hope nothing comes up tomorrow... Skeletal ''' SLJCOAAATR Soulsor 02:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't the text just be copy and pasted? No big deal, but I'm just really curious after reading this. Gary King  ( talk ) 02:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of premiers of British Columbia/archive1
You did an image check on this when it was at FLC. Mind doing another one? I've cleaned up the issues; could you post an image check on the article's talk page? Thanks! Gary King ( talk ) 16:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks
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Sandbox intrusion
Generally I'm happy to let colleagues work in my sandboxes, but what do you think I should do about the following? For the past few days, users with ambigious names consisting of numbers and letters come into my sandbox to add rubbish grammar to my WALL-E rewrite. I added the tag in case it were google pointing out my work. Do you think it's sockpuppetry? Each one has similar names and starts their account by creating a bizzare message on their userpage. Alientraveller (talk) 23:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Movie0022.ogg)
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Orphaned non-free media (Image:H3recon-cover.png)
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Atmosphere of Jupiter
I think I addressed your concerns (or explained). Ruslik (talk) 11:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (2)
Could you pretty please have a looksee at this? I'm sure you know this better than I do. Gary King ( talk ) 01:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll explain my opposition further on the FAC. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This should be interesting... –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  02:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, so Hink has replied back on the FAC. Has WP:VG ever been challenged on this, anyways? Gary King  ( talk ) 02:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen, you only source some of the plot; which is usually what happens in articles. And I don't usually like that since the rest of the plot might as well be sourced, too, not just part of it. So is this oppose actionable? I doubt Nintendo offers full plot summaries since they want people to buy their games to find out the story for themselves. I'm also working on the article's Reception section. It should be done in about fifteen minutes or so. Gary King  ( talk ) 03:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a good question, one which I'm curious of the answer, too. I imagine this has been discussed many times before, though, but have never been involved with one myself. Gary King  ( talk ) 03:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Image check request
Image check at Wikipedia:Peer review/Half-Life 2: Lost Coast/archive1 please if you've got the time. There are four images non-free images, and this is for a game that was a technology demo for graphics primarily. Should perhaps one or two be scrapped, and if so, which one(s)? Gary King ( talk ) 02:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for some of the clean-up on Halo: The Cole Protocol. It's more organized than my previous edits. It's much appreciated. 64.85.234.166 (talk) 22:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Casliber
ACtually, I think that being on AC normally makes article writers want to write more because of how gross politics can be! So I think it can be a win.  YellowMonkey  ( bananabucket ) 02:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:FICT
I know you're pissed at Phil but we've made some progress on that guideline if you'd like to give it another look. I would appreciate your input on it, good, bad or indifferent. If you don't want to work on it or don't like where it is going, can you list some objections here? If you don't want to engage on the talk page that's cool too. Thanks. Protonk (talk) 04:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of top prize losers in Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
Hi, I should be grateful if you would take a second look at this close, please? I don't see how the deleters won the argument (my argument was unrebutted for example) and certainly there was not a weight of !votes for deletion. TerriersFan (talk) 21:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Xbox
This Blackwatch21 from WikiProject Xbox. I was wondering if you could create me a logo for our project. I was wondering if you could design if after the Halo logo using the word Xbox as part of it. Thanks. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  21:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, we are looking for a cool looking font-type logo that is ineligible for copyright.-- B lack W atch 21  00:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate the help. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  00:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of top prize losers in Who Wants to be a Millionaire?
I think there was sufficient support for merging in this AFD for this not to be a straightforward deletion. Could you please add a clarification on the afd that explains how you reached your conclusion? - Mgm|(talk) 23:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Xbox Logo
We like the idea of the logo you made but we are looking for more of a script logo if it is possible. Thanks, BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  22:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * When I say script I mean a word instead of a emeblem. For example using the word "Xbox" in a way like this which I believe you designed. Thanks again, BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  01:40, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, that's exactly what we are looking for. Just a side note is there any way to make it bigger? You're probably getting sick of me. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  01:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Great.-- B lack W atch 21  02:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Image deletion request
Could you do me a favour and delete this atrocious image by me: Image:Veteran iron star.png. I have no need for it any more, and its so unbelievably crap I doubt anyone else will want it. -- Sabre (talk) 14:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Sabre (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Mind if I request another favour? Would you mind briefly undeleting Image:Sam and max se.png for me, so I can just get it on my computer, before deleting it again? I want to use the image in a rewrite of Sam & Max, and I think that the image of the first ever comic rather than the later collected edition would be more encyclopedically valuable (in the same way both Superman and Batman show the front covers of their first ever appearances). I can't, however, find a decent version of it online, but I remember that Image:Sam and max se.png should be a decent quality image of the cover, used in an earlier version of the Sam & Max article. -- Sabre (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've got it. Damn that was one ridiculously high-rez file. Thanks for your help! -- Sabre (talk) 17:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (November 2008)

 * Newsletter delivery by xenobot  15:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Garden/WikiCup
Ohai David Fuchs, I see that you are listed towards the top of this page, which means you have experience with article writing and expanding articles -- getting them featured. I'd like you to check out the WikiCup, beginning in January for the fourth cup.  aye matthew  ✡ 23:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Khan
Oh cr*p, I plum forgot about this. Yes, the article is looking much meatier. It's something (not specifically related to this article) I've been considering recently: how comprehensive is comprehensive enough? The list I dumped on the first FAC's talk page probably isn't even the tip of the iceberg of what's been written about Khan, but if you had access to all of it there simply wouldn't be room in the article. With my not having access to most of what is on the list, I have no way of determining whether the article covers all the angles. Perhaps this is why I initially stalled before forgetting to even reply to you; I simply didn't know what to say. But at some stage we have to say "enough is enough"; you've added a lot of good content, and should I get around to re-reviewing the article I would not oppose based on its not being comprehensive. All the best, Steve  T • C 23:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * David, where's the cite for the fourth and fifth Development paragraphs? Alientraveller (talk) 08:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of the information from the fourth paragraph is in the Robinson cite, but the fifth is an entirely new paragraph that was added by an IP editor here. David rolled back the editor's subsequent addition, but missed the original one. I was going to fix this, but I don't know what David wants to do with the information, which seems legit and might be in one of the sources he's recently acquired. It would be a shame to lose it. Steve  T • C 10:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Luckily it was info from the special features on the second disc of the 2002 DVD, so I've done some cleanup and sourced it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 15:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Do any of the cites mention Khan actually quotes Moby-Dick when he dies? Alientraveller (talk) 21:36, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, Khan is yet another illustrious FA written by you. Alientraveller (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Black Holes and Revelations
Hey David, you left a fairly extensive oppose on the Black Holes and Revelations FAC back in August. I've just got back to editing and I've put the article up for peer review here. I was wondering if you had any suggestions/ideas for improving the critical reception section, which I admit is a bit crap. I've always found it really hard to write those. Any comments/suggestions you have about the current state of the article would be really appreciated. No worries if you're too busy. Thanks.  THE GROOVE   02:46, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Gavin.collins RFC/U
Hello. A request for comment on user conduct has recently been filed regarding Gavin.collins. Since you have been discussion Wikipedia guidelines with him at WT:FICT, I thought that you would want to know. You can see the RFC/U here. Thank you. -Drilnoth (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Images
Hello, would you mind doing an image review of List of Nobel Laureates in Physiology or Medicine‎ (please?)? An image review was already done, but the reviewing user is away now, so she can't finish it. You can find her review on the talk page, so maybe rather than doing it all over again, you could just check her review and comment on the ones that haven't been reviewed. While you're at it, could you please also do List of Nobel Peace Prize Laureates? I promise, after this, I will never ask you for another image review again (at least, not for a list with so many images). Thanks, Scorpion 0422  13:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If it helps any David, this is part of a featured topic Scorpion and I are working on (see here), so you're working towards a greater cause ;-) Oh, and isn't your Myst FT ready? I thought you were going to merge Myst Online: Uru Live and nominate the topic. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 03:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No pressure, but could you please try and review List of Nobel Peace Prize Laureates by the end of the year? I'm going to hold off nominating it until a review is done. Thanks, Scorpion 0422  19:25, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Super Columbine Massacre RPG!
I stumbled across the article and it looks like it's coming along great. I assume you're working it up to be a WP:GA or WP:FA?--Remurmur (talk) 05:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image review
Hopefully catching you before you're calling it a night, but tackled the images for Necrid to give them better fair use descriptions while hopefully justifying the size for the artwork while reducing the size of the used screenshot. I hope that's sufficient.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I reduced the image size further for the artworks to reduce their resolution for the article. Is this sufficient? Also I don't understand about the matter with the primary sources you brought up. Could you please explain so I can deal with it?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll expand the fair use rationale then for each image and get back to ya. As it stands they're used as visual aids for the accompanying prose primarily while keeping under the fair-use-image-limit, so just need to figure out how to word that. Also waiting to see if User:Ashnard will be able to do that copyedit I asked him about...anyway beyond that, what I wanted to say primarily was I hope you get well soon man.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Image review for List of monarchs of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty
Hi, David! The List of monarchs of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty, which I worked on a lot, is currently a featured list candidate. Dabomb87 has requested that I ask you to check that all images are properly tagged/licensed. As I'm sure you receive many such requests, I took the time to do the checking myself. I updated the main license tag used by these images after doing some research on copyright laws in Egypt, and replaced images with dubious information with new versions. I did this so as to facilitate your task. If you can just take a quick look at the images now (there are only 19 of them), I'd be tremendously grateful as this would help the list in its FLC. It shouldn't take you much time, since I really made sure that all the images are properly licensed/tagged. BomBom (talk) 11:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

re: Public domain images in country of origin
Yes, an image has to be PD in the United States (or freely licensed, obviously) to be considered free on en.wiki. Somewhat ironically, the PD status in Egypt doesn't matter on en.wiki, so long as the image is indeed PD in the US (the Commons, alternatively, requires it be PD in both the US and origin country).

Whether an image is PD in the US depends upon whether it has been published. The source here, however, says nothing about publication date. Publication is a defined condition; while this was no doubt created in Eygpt on that date, we have no proof of publication date, which is night and day different than creation. What if this was taken, placed into an album or archives and not published until, say, 1978? (Frankly, the Egypt PD claim is equally unsupported, as the germane PD Egypt determinants are based on when it was "published or made available to the public for the first time". The source, again, does not provide that information). Bad image, IMO. Эlcobbola talk 23:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unpublished is a non-starter here: unpublished works are 70 years pma which, given 1952 creation, would not be up (1952+70=2022).
 * This image's only hope at being PD in the US would be this: foreign works published before 1977 without compliance with US formalities and PD in their home countries as of 1.1.1996 are PD.


 * Thanks for your insight. I have made a couple of comments regarding this on the article's FLC page. Your opinions are greatly welcomed. Regards. BomBom (talk) 02:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Image review request
There's a worrying dearth of image reviewers around at the moment; you appear to be one of the few who is still active. Would it be possible for you to go to FLC and look at the images on Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration? I can't see this nom being resolved until someone speaks authoritatively on the images. Thanks, Brianboulton (talk) 11:53, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Heads-up on the Arbiter
I've axed all the stuff that says Thel 'Vadumee is the Arbiter, on grounds of original research. We don't get any confirmation in Cole Protocol that he actually becomes the Supreme Commander, and while I agree that there's a 99% chance that really does become the Arbiter, without actual confirmation its really just OR. Peptuck (talk) 03:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey there
I've been advised that you're good with image sourcing. I currently have this and this up for Featured List status and a concern brought up is the sourcing on the images in the articles. Would you be able to help me out? Ironholds (talk) 18:35, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Bump
Featured article candidates/Meet Kevin Johnson. Thanks, – thedemonhog   talk •  edits  00:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request
Hi Dave, I hope you are feeling better now. I have created Toa Payoh Ritual Murders after several months of research, and would like to hear your comments on it at Peer review/Toa Payoh Ritual Murders/archive1 if you have the time and energy. The goal is to get this article to be an FA. Be warned, the article is fairly long with tales of sex, drugs, and violence (make sure your heart can take it)! Jappalang (talk) 02:52, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

A request to use your ProQuest
Hi Dave, I remember you had full access to ProQuest through your academic privilege. Could you provide me with the text from: Thank you! Jappalang (talk) 12:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nancy Malitz, "Girls are Game, but Nintendo won't Play", Chicago, Illinois: Chicago Sun - Times, p. 57, August 7, 1992.
 * Matt Williamson Scripps Howard, "And the 1992 Winners, Among Home Video Games, Are...", Cleveland, Ohio: The Plain Dealer, p. 5.D, Dec 21, 1992.

Re: just a note
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast and The Simpsons Game are both co-noms, and Scene7 was nominated before; all concerns were addressed then, so I waited a week or two and renominated it since there was nothing left to fix. For the co-noms, the co-nominators would have nominated the article if not me. Gary King ( talk ) 01:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Wonder Stories FAC
I see from your note at the top that you're busy (and not entirely in a good way -- I hope everything is OK), but it sounds as if you may have a little editing time. If you get a chance could you take another look at the replies I left to your comments at Featured article candidates/Wonder Stories? Ottava Rima has indicated he'd like to see them addressed, so I'm hoping to kill two birds with one stone if you feel I've dealt with them. Unfortunately in a couple of cases I answered your point with a question about a possible solution so I haven't really fixed them yet. And if health or other issues prevent you from responding, no problem. Thanks -- Mike Christie (talk) 22:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

STIR Future
It's a real concept, that has entire books written about it. And the first sentence of the article was a reasonably comprehensible explanation of what it was. That wasn't a valid speedy deletion. Please restore. Uncle G (talk) 04:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * fyi, this article has now been restored by consensus at Deletion Review,  with the summary "Clearly not eligible for speedy deletion." Just letting you know--I did not join in the discussion there. DGG (talk) 14:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter feature
Hey David, since my brain is starting to run dry for newsletter features, I was wondering if you'd be interested in being interviewed for a "Featured editor" section? It would include some general questions about what got you started on Wikipedia, editing video game articles, recent work, stuff like that. No rush to reply, as I'm thinking of running it for the January issue on Feb 4, 2009. Just let me know and I'll create a subpage with questions for you to answer. Depending on the length an abridged version may be in the newsletter with a link to the full interview. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Thanks. I'll probably get it ready some time in mid-January. I'll post the link here when it's ready. Thanks again. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC))

Ghosts of Onyx Article
Recently I was going though the Halo section of wiki too see what has changed, I contributed a lot back a few years ago. However going though, I've notice that a great deal of minor details are missing from these articles. The Ghosts of Onyx article in particular holds a special place for me as that was when I really started editing articles related to Halo, I notice that whoever wrote the new summary, left out a number of details that are critical to understanding what the hell is going on. I understand that the new summary was done in a effort to scale back how cluttered the article was, which I agree.

However after I finished reading whoever wrote that vague description, made me as a Halo fan say "well this book sounds dumb" and I've read the book, I know the book quite well. And decided to edit it to be more informative to prevent such assumptions.

However you've changed my edit back because of "unnecessary detail." If you know anything about Halo, you will understand that when it comes to telling a story within the halo universe detail is important. And if you ever want anybody to fully comprehend what Halo fans actually know, detail is critical. My edit still maintains what was agreed upon, a short and sweet version, however my edit is much more informative to somebody who just wants to look it up while still teases those reading about certain elements of the plot.

Therefore I believe my edit has a place, as is in the article. And should not be messed with unless absolutely necessary. Durandal-217 (talk) 19:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Let me be clear, I did not write that section for Halo fans, nor myself. It is written with a general audience in mind, clear and informative so that a general audience understands it better. That was the point, a point that you have seem to discard. If you want the article to be cut down then I will do so.

However sacrificing detail is not an option, that isn't what wiki is about. Durandal-217 (talk) 20:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The WP Plot says it "should be between 300 and 500 words for a typical episode or story, and longer as needed for adequate discussion of a longer work, especially if the plot is very complicated." it does not say is MUST be 300 and 500 words. The plot for Onyx is an exception as the story is quite complicated.

I will work on a revision since you can't seem to find a way to work my version into yours which is honestly quite shameful.Durandal-217 (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiCup notice
The 2009 WikiCup will begin on January 1, 2009. The first round will run through March 31, 2009. For more information on this tournament, read the "about" section on the main WikiCup page.

This year, we have a different system in calculating points. At User:Garden/WikiCup/Submissions, you will find information about submitting your article (and other) work to earn points. Each contestant will have their own individual subpage for submitting completed work to us.

This year, User:ST47 will also be running one of his bots to calculate mainspace edits and read your submission subpages to calculate the point values you receive based on our scoring chart.

Questions or comment? Ask at the talk page or go directly to Garden or IMatthew's talk page. Good luck and Happy Holidays! --  aye matthew  ✡ and  Garden. 13:52, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Off road time
You need these when fighting vandals David.  MBisanz  talk 03:10, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:Featured article candidates/Meshuggah
Happy Holidays! I've seen you are pretty dedicated FAC reviewer. May I ask you to review my current FAC Meshuggah please. It is already some time there and I really need some review. Have a nice day!--  LYKANTROP    ✉  11:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your engagement. The nomination was not promoted, but I would be glad if I could solve all your concerns about this article with your approval. I answered in the now archived nomination. So you can answer on my or the article's talkpage and new comments are very welcome. It would help me a lot :)--  LYKANTROP    ✉  10:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Pallid sturgeon
Thank you for taking the time to review the article I started. :)--MONGO 15:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

File:Wikihalo.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Wikihalo.jpg, has been listed at Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Skier Dude ( talk ) 06:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Halo 3:ODST
I think the page may need some protection. It is frequently vandalised by both IPs and registered users. Which is annoying as it's in my watchlistOsirisV (talk) 02:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

re: Another question
There's a lot of legalese needed to answer your question (or, rather, to support the answer to your question), so I've started here. There's more to add for the sake of completeness, but what's currently there should articulate the answer to the question of to what extent logos consisting of a typeface are copyrightable. The short answer regarding MARATHON, however, is that, if the typeface logo were extracted from the background art, emblem, etc., it would indeed be expected to be ineligible. Эlcobbola talk 14:34, 29 December 2008 (UTC)