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BioShock 2 - Ken Levine
Hi there,

I noticed you took out the bit I added about Ken Levine. I understand where you're coming from but I feel we should at least mentioned him in the wiki page since he created the series. Perhaps you can help word it better? Krisfrosz133 (talk) 03:38, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey, Krisfrosz133, the problem was that putting it in the lead was undue weight—that he passed on doing a BioShock 2 isn't super important. It could probably be added to the opening of the development section. I'm not really sure his opinion on its quality is all that important compared to general critic consensus, but it should go in the reception section with the rest. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 16:12, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case, I will add it to the reception section. Sounds good? Krisfrosz133 (talk) 02:39, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 15:06, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Art Deco architecture of New York City
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Double !Vote
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Your GA nomination of Luna Park, Alexandria
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Your GA nomination of Art Deco architecture of New York City
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Latest (and most likely final) issue of the WP:VG newsletter
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Volume 14, No. 1 — 1st Quarter, 2023

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Nomination of Factions of Halo for deletion
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Your GA nomination of Luna Park, Alexandria
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GA related questions
Hello @David Fuchs,

I stumbled upon your user page and read that you are experienced with everything revolving around GA/N. I am planning to nominate an article for the first time and was looking for someone to talk about the process. You were also writing on the articles talk page already, its Hogwarts Legacy. I was just wondering if you are interested to scan the text if anything crucial is missing? I am now familiar with WikiProject Video games/Sources and followed WP:MOSVG closely. If there is something missing, I would gladly take the time to fix it.

I am also interested in reviewing articles myself, and actually wanted to do so on a specific one already. When I read the instructions, I noticed that it almost certainly falls into the quick fail category, and the explanations on how to do so are not very clear. I checked WP:GAFAIL and it directs to a template. I was able to generate the template on my sandbox as a test, but it was not explained where to add it exactly. I am talking about Maid of Sker (video game).

And lastly, if you are not available for these questions or do not have the time for it, is there a preferable place to ask these questions? Vestigium Leonis (talk) 19:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I can take a look this weekend and leave thoughts on the talk page. As for the GA reviews, I don't really use the templates, but they can be useful for organization. A review template and whatever comments on the article will go on the Talk:Maid of Sker (video game)/GA2 subpage (which currently doesn't exist.) When you want to review a page you navigate to the talk page, edit it (I usually just smack a \doing template on and post my entire review in one chunk when I've done it a day or a week or whatever later.) The edit will turn the /GA subpage into a blue link, and it'll automatically update the talk page template, and tell a bot on Good article nominations that you're reviewing it so everyone knows it's taken. Passing or failing just means posting your feedbkac, updating the talk page template, and (if it passes) updating the Good Article list as per instructions; everything else gets dealt with by bots (much easier than back in my day!) Is the explanation clear? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 21:21, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, I think I managed to make it work. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 13:36, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Nominated
I nominated a GA article that you worked on for DYK. Template:Did you know nominations/Luna Park, Alexandria Bruxton (talk) 19:16, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Need Help
Hello David Fuchs! I've noticed you have access to ProQuest. I was wondering can you update some of the Bethesda Softworks game articles (their games from 1986 till 1999) with sources from there.(Like USA Today for example and other trade journals) that Newspapers.com doesn't have. I've typed "Bethesda Softworks" in the search function(and soft by oldest first) and there are 5,175 results (by page 13 ish the till 1999 results show up). Timur9008 (talk) 14:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't really have time to go updating a bunch of articles. When I have a chance I can dump the sources I find and hand them off. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 16:54, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks! Timur9008 (talk) 17:42, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Luna Park, Alexandria
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Yesterday's Enterprise
Hi David, I'm seeing that the word-count for the plot summary is at 427 words, which you described as well within guidelines. However, WP:TVPLOT appears to call for a maximum of 400 words. Have I misunderstood you, or did I miscount, or is there something else going on here? Thanks for clarifying! DonIago (talk) 01:51, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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BioShock 2: Minerva's Den
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FAC mentorship?
Hello @David Fuchs. I'm hoping to bring the video game article Skullgirls to FAC eventually. I opened up a peer review for it, and listed a request for mentorship on the FAC talkpage, but neither of them received responses. I recently added a post on WP:VG's talkpage for the peer review, but as far as the mentorship goes, I was wondering if you'd be interested at all. Only you and Masem have video games listed as your areas of interest on the WP:FAM page, but I already tried Masem and didn't receive a reply. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for your time. Wani (talk) 03:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey Wani, I'll try and take a look at the article later this week or this weekend. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 19:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! :D  Wani (talk) 21:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey @David Fuchs. Sorry for the late response after your peer review post. I wanted to say I'm grateful for your feedback! Having direction on what needs improvement is very helpful. I'll try to address the issues whenever I get the chance (which might take some time given the broader changes that need to be made). Thanks again for your time! Wani (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Wani: Happy to assist. If you ever need another look, just let me know. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 14:08, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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bioshock 2: minerva's den
David Fuchs, i had two questions regarding this article and the associated blurb.

dying (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * i believe the tfa coordinators generally prefer to run blurbs with a relevant image if possible, and am assuming that no image has currently been selected for this blurb because the one that is featured in the infobox is not a free image. photos of game developers have been featured in game blurbs before, as seen in this blurb.  what are your thoughts about using in the blurb the photo at right of some of the members of the development team, since it is currently included in the article?  the parenthetical in the blurb referencing the image might read "(some members pictured)", following "a small team".
 * the alt text for this image in the article currently states that "three women and one man" are shown, although, to me, it looks like there are two women and two men in the foreground: kate craig (female), steve gaynor (male), johnnemann nordhagen (male), and karla zimonja (female). (i am assuming that the woman in the background is not amongst those counted, even though she is also smiling and standing in front of a podium.)  i have not found any information about any of them going through a gender transition, so even though the genders i have listed above are based on how i believe they are currently presenting themselves, i see no reason to believe that they did not present themselves as such at the time the picture was taken.  is the alt text in error, or am i mistaken?  the alt text i am currently using for the proposed thumbnail in the blurb reproduces that used in the article, but obviously should also be adjusted accordingly if the original alt text is incorrect.
 * Hey Dying, adding the image is fine to me; blurbs aren't really my forte. Thanks for catching the alt text error; dunno what I was thinking at the time (might have gotten confused going back which of the relevant people in the shot were and thought the person in the background was connected to the team). Or I just didn't read the caption, saw dreads when looking quickly and made the mistake that way. Either way, my mistake, it's fixed. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 10:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * . thanks, David Fuchs.  dying (talk) 20:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you today for the article, introduced (in 2020): "Produced by a small team almost as an afterthought, Minerva's Den has been called one of the greatest video game expansions of all time, and served as a stepping stone to one of the most popular games in the "walking simulator" subgenre."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Good article reassessment for Gravemind
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July music
Listening to Siegfried from the 2023 Bayreuth Festival, third act, Andreas Schager as Siegfried waking up Brünnhilde, reminded me of this 2013 discussion. Was there anything in it demanding arbitration? - A few weeks later, three participants were admonished, - for what still remains a mystery to me? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Today Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival, close to the scene pictured, - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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FAC Mentorship for Angela Merkel
Hi! I hope you're well. I recently nominated Angela Merkel at GAN, and it passed the GA review. I'm interested in bringing it up to FA standards, but it would be by first FA (this was my first GA too); would you be interested in guiding me through the process as a mentor? Actualcpscm (talk) 12:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey Actualcpscm I've got an FAC and some GANs to get through this week, I'll try and take a look at the article next week and give my thoughts. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 13:15, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch, I appreciate you taking the time. Actualcpscm (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Daily Express
For future reference, the Daily Express is not a deprecated source, nor is everything it prints unreliable – one just needs to crosscheck it against, say, the horse's mouth. I will be replying to the previous comment you left on my talk page in due course, when I have time to compose a considered response. (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 02:47, 9 August 2023 (UTC))
 * Edwin of Northumbria: The Daily Express wasn't what was being directly cited—Daily Star Trek News was. It's clearly not a high-quality reliable source as required by featured article criteria, and the Express isn't, either (beyond that I'm not sure why all the extra sourcing is needed just to add the exact location and Sirtis' involvement, versus just that it had a royal premiere.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 13:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

True, but the source was simply summarizing what was said in the Daily Express (DE), which I chose not to cite directly because their webpage contained so much advertising that on a mobile phone it was difficult finding the text. I have looked at the relevant documentation, and feel I cannot respond to your comment that the Daily Star Trek News (DST) is "clearly not a high-quality reliable source" unless you explain why you believe this to be the case. For future reference, therefore, I would grateful if you could supply further information. I agree that the DE should be treated with caution as a source, but in this instance it was essentially repeating only what Sirtis had said previously.

As regards your final remark (in parentheses), one source gave the date of the premiere whereas the other did not. However, given that even "high-quality" sources frequently disagree, I consider it good practice to supply at least two sources to support each statement wherever possible. (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 23:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC))
 * Edwin of Northumbria: You have an editing attitude out of joint with what Wikipedia's guidance actually says; you don't over-ref every statement, and again, read the linked guidance at WP:FA?; featured articles more stringent sourcing requirements than "it's sometimes okay to use". It doesn't matter that the Daily Express has a bunch of ads, that doesn't relate to our sourcing requirements, and it doesn't relate at all to the fact that it's a low-quality source that shouldn't be used regardless. Your edits are becoming less and less useful, and your habit of making 100 tiny edits instead of consolidating changes is becoming extremely frustrating. I would really appreciate you finding something else to do with your time than cosmetic edits that introduce copyright violations, spelling mistakes, and ref issues that you then spend even more edits fixing. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 14:10, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

GAN review time estimate
Hello, a bit of time has passed since you opened a GA review for Jonathan Blow. Do you have a rough estimate of when you plan to begin the review? It will help me plan my coming weeks. Cheers, Neuroxic (talk) 15:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * The review is in progress, I post it once it's complete. It should be up in the next few days. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 16:04, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, I'm looking forward to it! Neuroxic (talk) 17:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks again for the review / edits
I just wanted to say thanks for your recommendations and final cleanups of Jonathan Blow. For most articles I work on, for most of the time it feels like I'm the only one who's making any substantial improvements. As such, I feel very fortunate whenever anyone actually does an in-depth look at an article I've worked on. The amount of time it takes to do a close read of something, let alone leave detailed comments, is not lost on me, and I'm super appreciative of your time. Neuroxic (talk) 01:42, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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Trivia?
Re. Your to Star Trek: First Contact. Firstly, I see no reason why information should be removed because it is only from one source, providing that source is a reliable one (and it Braga who is quoted therein). Secondly, the sentence does not necessarily imply that Data was Da Vinci's apprentice in "Concerning Flight", as use of the word "adapted" suggests. However, if you felt this was an issue, you could have amended the sentence quite easily rather than deleting it. Thirdly, what constitutes trivia in this context is very much a subjective issue, and it is not unreasonable to state that a discarded idea from the script was used elsewhere (the information comes from a book about First Contact, after all). In summary, therefore, I do not feel that you have provided sufficient justification to remove the sentence. (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 05:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC))


 * Your continual pointlessly tiny edits to the page do not make me interested in spending a lot of time trying to finesse your contributions. "Adapted" implies the idea came from the ideas for First Contact when it's attested in multiple other sources it didn't come from that. So now you're spending time arguing differences of opinion about what is ultimately trivia for Memory Alpha. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 12:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you list some of sources so I can check them for myself, as Fordham claims to be quoting Braga directly on this?(Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 14:13, 31 August 2023 (UTC))
 * The problem with what you say is that whilst in some sources Kate Mulgrew might have given the impression that the inclusion of Da Vinci as a character was her idea, she has also stated that Braga suggested the name to her (see STV magazine #14 p34). Almost all the discrepancies between sources on this point can be explained by the fact she was essentially answering two different questions: Whose idea was it that Janeway should have a confidant? vs. Whose idea was it that Janeway should have Da Vinci as a confidant? (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 18:35, 31 August 2023 (UTC))
 * Deciding that's the true answer would be synthesis. And all of that is irrelevant to the subject matter, which is Star Trek: First Contact. I've no idea why you're constantly trying to add in factoids in the article from where another element shows up in a completely different Star Trek show years later, to when a licensed song gets reused. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 19:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

The point is that Braga has stated that the idea came from First Contact, and Mulgrew has confirmed it was Braga's idea (her other statements do not necessarily contradict this where they provide a different degree of detail, which is made fairly clear from the aforementioned article). It would be synthesis to imply that Mulgrew stated the idea came from First Contact, but that wasn't the case here (WP:SYNTHNOT: "If something is obvious to anyone who reads and understands the sources that are supposed to support it, then it's not SYNTH"). However, if one were to to preclude the deleted sentence from inclusion in the article on the grounds that sources disagree, then other information would need to be removed (or at least qualified) as well – the worldwide box office take, to give a simple example, is sometimes (as here) quoted as $150 million. As to whether I'm "constantly adding in factoids [...]", as far as I'm aware we are talking about three examples here. The song was undoubtedly a tangential point, which is why I added it as a note to begin with, and had no objection to its removal. The other instances are in my opinion less clear-cut, because they add context to the article (as required by WP:FA?). In this respect, just as it is reasonable to discuss how the film was influenced by past events, it is reasonable to mention (briefly) how the film influenced subsequent ones. It is a simply a matter of balance, and two sentences do not constitute major digressions within the scope of lengthy article. The matter of the new uniforms being used in DS9 can actually be considered part of the marketing campaign for First Contact, and was one of the few things Berman thought worthy of mentioning about the film even though he was being interviewed at the time of its release. (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 23:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC))
 * Adding the statement still implies via placement of facts the causation between the two elements. It's simply not the place for it. If you want to talk about the earlier mention, then it should go in "Scorpion" (which is where the character first pops up, not "Concerning Flight") and you can spend time talking about it. But there's invariably a host of Trek trivia you can stuff these articles with. Is an "well actually" fact directly relevant to the subject? Nope. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 00:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

When you say "Adding the statement", could you please clarify which one you're talking about? (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 03:15, 1 September 2023 (UTC))


 * As in the "Da Vinci later appeared in Voyager" bit we've been discussing. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 16:31, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that wasn't completely clear, because the fact that there was some degree of causality is precisely the point. If one accepts the statements of Braga and (in the source I referred to) Mulgrew to be true, then it is quite correct to state that the idea was adapted for Voyager. The key word is "adapted" = (as used transitively) "to fit, change, or modify to suit a new or different purpose" (Collins English Dictionary). Moreover, I would suggest that causal relationships are key in deciding what does and does not constitute trivia. To give an example, compare the statements "Actor X had dyed her hair red for a previous film" and "Actor X had dyed her hair red for a previous film, which the director admitted had influenced his decision to cast her in the role of a redhead". If the role in question is being discussed, then the former statement is more obviously trivia than the latter. I am in no way proposing that it is desirable to stuff articles with trivia, nor would I want to. In this particular instance, the issue is entirely that if it is non-trivial to discuss where script ideas (or anything else) came from, then there is no logical reason why it should be trivial to say where they went to.

I have, incidentally, sought clarification from Bournemouth University regarding their hosting of the draft script, although it would be extremely unusual for a UK university to do so in contravention of UK copyright law, even if only unwittingly. I see no need to dwell on the matter in the absence of further information. (Edwin of Northumbria (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2023 (UTC))

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Re the ANI discussion on Dicklyon, I noticed these two questionable responses that were added today: &   It just seems incredibly odd that this user would comment on this discussion. They have minimal edits, and these two edits are their first in the past 7 months. They've never participated in ANI, and as far as I can tell, they don't seem to have any previous history with the MoS, with me, with Dicklyon, or other editors "notable" in the discussion (such as SMcCandlish and Thryduulf), which makes their comment that this is motivated by old grudges seem strange (at least to me). Given the contentious nature of this and past discussions around Dicklyon, the odd nature of this addition to the discussion seems suspect, but with no real evidence on my part. The way I see it (which I'm willing to contend could be totally off-base) is that given that the JWB ban will likely pass, if someone was socking/meating and wanted to look less obvious, I would think they would support the JWB ban in order to get in their real objective to oppose the MOS TBAN. Possibly more likely meatpuppet as their history appears to be consistent with a good faith editor whose principal interest is linguistics, so it just seems really odd.

Do you consider yourself not too involved to be neutral in this discussion to look into it? Butler Blog  (talk) 14:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * It's certainly a little weird someone pops out of nowhere specifically to participate, but if you don't have any real solid evidence of who an account would be it's basically a fishing expedition to acuse them of sockpuppetry and wouldn't follow policy. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 17:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hello I have addressed your GAN concerns from four years ago regarding the article Pokémon Sword and Shield in which the previous nominator failed to address. Can you please reviewed it again for GA. I am preparing it for FA. Thank you. Wingwatchers (talk) 02:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


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When you archived the John Wick (film) FAC, your signature reads 18 October. Is this a copy-paste error? Just a heads up. Cheers, Tim O&#39;Doherty (talk) 20:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi David, I saw your name on the list of FA mentors and was wondering if you'd be interested in mentoring me to promote Ed Bradley to FA status? Please let me know! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:04, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. My adding of certain categories to that page was not speciation, but fair assessment of groups/categories that the flood are technically part of (zombies, monsters, whatnot). What do you think is incorrect about this? Firekong1 (talk) 21:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey Firekong1 I was trying to revert the additions to the lead, and removed your additions unintentionally in the process, sorry about that. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 17:59, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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David Fuchs, you opened this GA review page on September 20, and have yet to return to post your review. As far as I can, both you and the nominator are active. If you intend to conduct the review, please do so soon; otherwise, perhaps you could G6 the page so the article can be placed back into the pool of unreviewed nominations. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:50, 17 December 2023 (UTC)


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