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 * missions, as 'Young, Brave and Beautiful', and by fellow SOE agent, Odette Sansom, GC, who survived Ravensbrueck  as "the bravest of us all."

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 * were captured and forced to give up their codes and 'bluffs', so that German intelligence Sicherdienst; SD  officers could impersonate the agents and play them back against HQ in London. For some reason,
 * May (1908-2000), Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (OUP, Oxford 2004); online edn, May 2008 http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/74260}}

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 * It was Buckmaster who recklessly sent a reply to a message supposedly sent by Gilbert Norman 'Archambaud'  telling him, and thus the actual German operator, that he had forgotten his 'true' bluff and to
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 * film Odette, about Odette Sansom, GC (then Odette Churchill, later Hallowes).

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Violette Szabo‎
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 * Edit summaries (at the bottom of the page) are also really helpful to other editors, so we can clearly understand the rationale for your changes. Cheers. Span (talk) 23:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing on Violette Szabo
Just a reminder to use sources where possible when adding new material - I had a dig around for Szabo's "Vicky Taylor" pseudonym and could only find a book mentioning that the gave that name at Limoges and it was apparently her own invention. If you're taking this from a source that says otherwise, could you specify which? (Just putting at the end of the relevant sentence is fine as a bare minimum, if you aren't au fait with reference tagging.) --McGeddon (talk) 15:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Can I ask why you've twice reverted my attempts to group the article's sections into subsections? --McGeddon (talk) 23:34, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * And again. The reason I've put the sections about her SOE work into subsections of the "SOE" section is to allow the reader to navigate the article more easily. Would appreciate learning your thinking behind undoing this - just edit this or my talk page and leave a note. In the absence of any explanation I can only assume it's a personal preference based on a style guide other than Wikipedia's, which is not applicable here. --McGeddon (talk) 15:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * David, joining us in good faith discussions and using edit summaries are both really helpful. You have two interested, experienced fellow editors here wanting to work with you to improve the article. Anna (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank-you for your help. The reason I separated the sections were twofold and related to making clear demarcations to aid the reader new to Violette Szabo:

1) Szabo's two missions were separate in that the first was centred on Paris-Rouen and was primarily related to intelligence gathering re the rolled-up Salesman circuit to see if it could be reactivated, while in the second based in the Limousin, Szabo was operating as part of what was in effect an SOE Jedburgh team, Salesman II, whose object was primarily sabotage re German forces after D-Day. While both operations were commanded by Liewer, they we're completely different in aim, scope and location.

2) Szabo's treatment by the Germans after 10th June was not a continuous ordered process, but a series of different actions by different agencies with different objects: 1) the capture and interrogation by local forces at Limoges to obtain info re the particular local situation vis Das Reich, the captured Kaempfe, and the Maquis; 2) the interrogation by the SD in Paris which related more to counter-intelligence re SOE; 3) the deportation to Ravensbrueck by the SS, the aim of which was punishment, dehumanisation and later death.

However, I accept your reasoning for the use of subsections which seems sensible and is the product of your greater editing experience.

Tania Szabo refers to the name 'Vicky Taylor' in her semi-fictionalised 'biography', but that is not a suitable source. It was common SOE practice to give agents English cover names, eg Liewer as Charles Staunton or Noor Inayat Khan as Nora Baker. I shall try to find a reference to the name and add it if/when I do.--David (User talk:David K. Warner)

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 * agents she knew, for transfer. At some point in the journey, probably outside Chalons-sur-Marne, an Allied airraid caused the guards to temporarily abandon the train allowing Szabo and Bloch to

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