User talk:Davidabram

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AfD nomination of Bill Majors
An article that you have been involved in editing, Bill Majors, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. Mbisanz (talk) 08:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Bill Majors
I've reviewed the current version of the article and read all the linked sources. I still feel he is not a notable missionary/founder/pastor. I've often thought of writing an article on my church's pastor, and then realized that while he's important to me and the 3,000 other parishoners and has been covered extensivly in our local and regional newspapers, he isn't actually notable. I should mention that I can't remove an AfD from any article for any reason. Thats because the AfD is a community consensus discussion. I could withdraw it, but it would still be up to the closing administrator to interpret my withdrawl in light of the community's discussion. One thing that did strike me is that the Honorary Citizen of Seoul could possibly be notable. I've asked one of our active Korean-based editors to look into it a little more. Even if they aren't done by the time the AfD closes, and the article is deleted, the article can be undeleted here WP:DRV and I would of course initiate the process if that honor is considered a notable one (I can't figure out if its like the "keys to NYC" or if its like a "congressional golf medal"). Thanks though for the contributions you've made.  MBisanz  Talk 14:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

sorry for the poor welcome
Mr. Davidabram, I would like to apologize for the poor welcome mat that you've received upon joining the "editor status" of enjoying Wikipedia beyond simply reading the articles. I've read your comments on the Bill Majors AfD and hope that you don't allow a bad first impression to ruin your previous "respect" for the organization's goals of providing free knowledge on the web. Please understand that Mbisanz, myself, and 10s of 1000s of other regular editors are daily barraged with ridiculous articles, poorly written articles, and most frequently, articles about non notable people, places and things. You've probably noticed that usually between 100-200 articles are "nominated for deletion" through the AfD process. Not counting those particular articles, there are literally thousands of "articles" that are speedily deleted without discussion for various reasons. What I mean to say is that if you stick around awhile, start editing other topics of interest to you, you'll begin to understand the magnitude of what a very small number of regular editors are trying to accomplish here. It is not a personal slight to you, or to Bill Majors for that matter, that the article was put up for deletion. We regulars tend to get trigger-happy, I'll admit, when an article is created by a seemingly new user as their "first contribution" or "only contribution". Such is the inherent problem with "the free encyclopedia anyone can edit". It means anyone can edit it. In the past, new articles by new editors has served as a very reasonable red-flag that the article's subject is probably not notable (and many times, simply "made up" as an experiment). I believe that Bill Majors is an exception that has been caught in the crossfire of 1000s of other articles created that day and rightfully deleted. I hope the article stays and I've been chatting with Mbisanz (and others) to make sure that, if it is deleted, it's deleted for the right reasons which I just don't see yet. Anyway, this (ever growing) message is meant to just say sorry. We try our best around here and sometimes we mess up. Hopefully, you'll stick around and do some other editing to other areas of interest. You'll quickly learn that this is a forever changing, forever frustrating project, but a very rewarding one to participate in nonetheless. Cheers, Keeper   |   76  20:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Mr. Abram, I must concur with Keeper. S/He said it perfectly, so I don't need to. The article was deleted because it did not assert the subject's notability in the article. If it is a notable subject, the article may be recreated, but you need to show why it should be included in Wikipedia, and reference it with reliable sources. I hope that I am a help to you, and please don't hesitate to contact me if you need help or have any questions. Cheers! Keilana talk(recall) 22:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will undelete it to allow for a procedural AFD, I simply indicated to Keeper that if s/he wanted an AFD I'd be willing to initiate one. Thanks for your concern, and the AFD should be located at Articles for deletion/International Worship in English. I hope you stick around as an editor; writing good new content is getting much more difficult. Best regards, Keilana talk(recall) 04:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've since changed some of my comments at Articles for deletion/Bill Majors, I hope that is an amicable position I've taken.  MBisanz  talk 13:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of International Worship in English
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 * David, I agree with you about Majors deserving an article as a Templeton prize winner but both your style and your triple voting at the AfD article is going to be totally counter productive. Please go and remove a couple of votes and tidy up the cynical ranting. Thanks --BozMo talk 19:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * the triple voting was cleaned up by user:appletrees. Majors didn't win the Templeton prize but is notable for other reasons.  Bill Majors article was cleaned up for clarity.   Keeper   |   76  19:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

May 2008
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. Any further vandalism will result in you being blocked from editing Wikipedia. VegitaU (talk) 20:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


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 * Why don't you contact me with a civil inquiry before you accuse me of 'disruptive edits'?


 * If perhaps you paused to examine the nature of my edits, you'll notice that I was trying to rectify the discrepancies in various 9/11 related pages. United Airlines Flight 93 has a total of 45 in its 'Others' section and a total of 44 in its 'Summary'.  United Airlines Flight 175's 'Summary' lists 56 passengers, but its 'Nationalities' section lists 47.  September 11, 2001 attacks lists 64 fatalites (including hijackers) for Flight 175.  So if you've set yourself up as a policman for these pages, why don't you rectify these discrepancies yourself?  If I wanted to vandalize anything, I'd go to a PC cafe with an anonymous IP. Davidabram (talk) 23:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Merlin Carothers
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Your draft article, Draft:Merlin Carothers


Hello, Davidabram. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Merlin Carothers".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)