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Proposed deletion of KOI-3138.01


The article KOI-3138.01 has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Not even confirmed yet. Ludicrous to have an article on a mundane, unconfirmed exoplanet. Mars-sized is not some quantitative division; similar enough to Earth-sized that I don't see it as defining notability.

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What is PHL?
The Earth Similarity Index article indicates that your change to Kepler-452b is not correct... Dustin  ( talk ) 22:51, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * PHL or Planetary Habitability Laboratory whose website can be found here is a credible source that calululates the ESI. They are also the ones that came up with new definition of the circumstellar habitable zone and the one that came up with the borderlines between Martian sized worlds (Subterrain) Earth sized (Terrain) and Super Earth (Super terrain) PS you should be using List of potentially habitable exoplanets for getting your habitable planet list rather than the esi pageDavidbuddy9 (talk) 02:06, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, strange. I see that you've already amended the article about the ESI, so this is no longer much of an issue, is it? Thank you for responding. Dustin  ( talk ) 16:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah its not an issue. The list on the ESI page is just a cut and paste of the List of potentially habitable exoplanets so when new additions come and people are not careful things can get messy. That's why I mentioned you should use List of potentially habitable exoplanets when it comes to ordering planets as it is better maintained. Davidbuddy9 (talk) 21:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of KOI-433.02 m
I have tagged this article for deletion because the subject is purely speculative, as indicated by citation. This appears to be a prediction based on the mass of a candidate planet which has not itself been confirmed.--EvenGreenerFish (talk) 07:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Unconfirmed exoplanets and Exomoons are not speculative. Davidbuddy9 (talk) 15:42, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether the planet is confirmed or not (which it should not be in an encyclopedia until it is) the exomoon is purely hypothetical and as such should not have a Wikipedia article.--EvenGreenerFish (talk) 01:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Your reasoning for can also apply to:
 * Chiron (hypothetical moon)
 * Lilith (hypothetical moon)
 * Mercury's moon
 * Neith (hypothetical moon)
 * Themis (hypothetical moon)
 * So if you think the paged should be renamed to KOI-433.02 m (hypothetical moon) that is acceptable. But deleting it is Not.Davidbuddy9 (talk) 02:09, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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 * Superhabitable exoplanet
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"We've got templates for star colors!"
That's cool as tits. Huritisho 00:31, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Minor edits
Just as a friendly tip, if you're not making a small change (grammar, text formatting, etc), you should not be marking your edits as "minor." Not only does it mean your edit goes unseen by page watchers, but also can be misleading. Primefac (talk) 01:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Please stop marking non-minor posts as minor. Primefac (talk) 00:11, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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I'll remove the image from Tabetha's article as probable copyvio pending a decision about the file, we can restore it later if necessary. I will also remove some of the other details from the infobox: only her WTF research is widely enough known at present to qualify for mention in the infobox and she was not directly involved with the Kepler-61b investigations. --Mirokado (talk) 23:05, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * You probably have seen this already but are you sure that a caption is need for the image on the IAU site? (If so could you give me a little pointer as I cannot find it :) Also The copyright policy states:  All IAU still and footage are released under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license. So I would assume that it would be ok...? Davidbuddy9 (talk) 23:26, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've posted an update on commons. --Mirokado (talk) 23:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Question about the List of Star Systems
When you were changing GJ to Gliese, did you check to make sure that the Wikilinks weren't being improperly changed? I know a lot of the Gliese stars don't exist, but just wondered if you checked if the GJ articles existed before changing it to Gliese. Primefac (talk) 02:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I checked most (some may of slipped as I am not perfect) of them yes. Most of the ones that were already linked were Gliese before I changed them. Davidbuddy9 (talk) 03:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Figured you had (and I didn't feel like checking them all myself), but I thought I'd double-check. Cheers, Primefac (talk) 03:46, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Broken references
I don't understand why you have re-added a broken reference to K2-3c? Clicking on http://exoplanet.eu/catalog/epic-201367065_c/ just produces an error message: "Document not found". You also readded http://exoplanet.eu/catalog/epic-201367065_d/ to K2-3d which also produces the same error message. Fdfexoex (talk) 14:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Exoplanet.eu changed http://exoplanet.eu/catalog/epic-201367065_c/ to http://exoplanet.eu/catalog/K2-3_c/ (All EPIC Designations have been changed to their offical K2 Names). Next time just google around to see if anything changed instead of removing it and accusing me of original research. Davidbuddy9  Talk 21:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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We should work together a bit on ESI
I think one way forward is to improve the Earth Similarity Index article. I found 11 papers which cite the original paper in one way or another and we only include one on the page currently. We should try to summarize those and some of the popular references I point to at one of the AfDs.

Whaddya think?

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 * Adding information from those papers to the ESI page would be great of course, its a no brainer. I really dislike papers behind paywalls that is just really annoying. Davidbuddy9  Talk 14:57, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I have access to many of the papers that are behind paywalls. Also, check for the ones that have links to a version hosted at arxiv.org where you can get the preprint. If you need access to any of the papers, let me know. jps (talk) 14:59, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * ❌, This is the RfC that I have opened! Davidbuddy9  Talk 04:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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Blocked for sockpuppetry
Hi Davidbuddy9,

I realize I may not be high on your list of potential friends at this point, but I just wanted to let you know that I hold absolutely no hard feelings about this. Sockpuppetry cases are really tough and I understand why you might feel like this was an undue attack leveled by me against you. The thing is, I saw what I thought was likely sockpuppetry in those template deletion discussions, and according to the rules at WP:SPI, what I am supposed to do is report it. Oddly, unlike practically every other report here on Wikipedia, the reporter is not supposed to inform the person when this is done because the determination as to whether sockpuppetry actually occurred is supposed to be made by a neutral third party completely independent and often times the technical evidence needs to be maintained as private. Note that the first reviewer thought that the evidence was weak and asked for a close, but it was after the second reviewer thought better of it that the technical evidence was found.

That said, I think your admission is a step in the right direction and I would welcome the chance to collaborate with you on more articles here in Wikipedia. Yes, I did start a spate of deletion discussions that are listed here below, but I truly think you are a valuable contributor to Wikipedia and can help us improve the encyclopedia. I would argue for amnesty especially if you commit to not doing socking anymore.

Peace,

jps (talk) 22:02, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, I'll be honest I apologize for not saying nice things about you, I wasn't sure if it was a malicious attempt or not, and the put-ups that you have included in your comments really have made my day in a positive way. I'm having a really crummy day today and I don't think the admins would like me spamming them with requests too much and become a nuisance. I will confirm right now that I have no intention of running another sockpuppet operation or am I running another one right now (not even with my ip address). However what I will do say is I am very intrigued what technical evidence linked the two accounts, all I will say is that it was not absolutely by ip address. But that is just my curiosity, and I really didn't mean the harm that I have done, and quite frankly I am embarrassed about this as I should not have been 'dumb' enough to create that second account. But as stated doing this experiment is not worth it at all. I want to help the community, not cause cancer to it. Due to your positivity I would give you some sort of barnstar for making my day better, but I can't (obviously). Sincerely - Davidbuddy9 <font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;"> Talk 22:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No worries, seriously. And definitely no hard feelings. When you feel up to it, I would just put up in your new unblock request that you are sorry for socking, that you promise not to do it again, and leave it at that. The admins want to see that you aren't argumentative, that you acknowledge what you did was wrong, and that there is minimal risk that you'll do it again. I wouldn't bother with asking what the technical evidence was. They simply will not tell you, but if you google around enough you can get a pretty good idea of what the checkuser tool does. I have had my own problems with a sockpuppeting past and I'll tell you that you can come back from it. I know how frustrating it is to be blocked (you can check my block log). It's the worst.


 * An exciting development has occurred where Abel Méndez has joined Wikipedia. I hope he can shed some light on our discussions as to whether the thinks it is appropriate to use ESI as much we do.


 * Looking forward to working with you again!


 * jps (talk) 23:37, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what you mean by "I really did not mean to do the damage." You were using sockpuppet account to review articles created by your main account. You were also using two accounts to !vote at several AfD discussions. So, it's obvious that you did mean to do the damage. On can't do such things by accident.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  09:07, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * By this I mean now that I look back at it I didn't mean to do what I did. I disagreed with what I have done therefore now I didn't mean any harm now and I apologized for the harm that It has caused. <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;">Davidbuddy9 <font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;"> Talk 18:03, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * What about just waiting a week (now less) until your block expires? If you ask me, a one-week block is a lot less than one usually gets for sockpuppetting. I personally am more on "your" side of the debate than on jps's, and I don't particularly like being associated with a sockpuppetteer. I would give it time and let it expire. LjL (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Honestly this break Ironically has benefited me not having to always defend my arguments and just letting it go. The most frustrating part is so many of the issues that some people have can be solved by renaming the articles. But whatever <38 hours is something I can absolutely wait out. <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;">Davidbuddy9 <font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;"> Talk 03:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. jps (talk) 12:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of KOI-2194.03 for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article KOI-2194.03 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/KOI-2194.03 until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. jps (talk) 12:08, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Suggestions
You do high quality work, writing templates to boot, and it sucks to be deleting it. You have the potential to be a very valuable editor, but it will take a bit more than just not socking. I would like to make some suggestions for you to consider.


 * Accept that you went way over the line, and just wait out a few days of block without arguing it be reversed.

You ran into trouble due to your great enthusiasm for the topic. You eagerly wrote what you thought was valuable, and you lost sight of the community's standards of what should/shouldn't be included and how to cover it.
 * 1) Resist the urge to jump right back into the area of current controversy (astronomy). You can demonstrate respect for community consensus by simply letting the community deal with the current situation without argument. If you want to prove yourself as an editor, if you want to rebuild community respect, get yourself settled back in as a solid helpful uncontroversial generalist editor. Pick anther topics of interest, or find stuff to do on WP:Backlog, or fix some disambiguation links, or just start hitting the Random Article link. Trust me, the random article link will give you plenty of crap articles that can obviously and easily be improved.
 * 2) No one wants your hard work thrown away in deleted articles. Heck, no one wants to waste their own time debating AFDs. You should probably focus for a while on upgrading existing articles rather than creating new ones. If you do create a new article then make sure it's got overkill Notability - multiple independent secondary sources specifically singling out the topic with significant coverage. Do not source solely from science papers. Just because a few science papers examine something does not mean it's a topic of general Notability for general encyclopedia readers. If something was covered in newspapers then people will show up here looking for it. If something is only covered in a few science papers then no one even knows the name to search for it here... not unless they already read those science papers. If you do (inadvisedly) jump right back into creating new astronomical articles then get your topics from (multiple) news stories.
 * 3) I personally agree that it's essentially certain that life can and does arise on other planets, and I agree that there is exciting progress in cutting edge science searching for it. But this is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia covers what's already known. An encyclopedia should take a conservative approach to covering anything new or unconfirmed. An encyclopedia should not be hyping up "possible habitability", especially not based on preliminary and controversial basic physical statistics. Don't try to build articles or tables hyping and ranking the "exciting" OMG-here-are-all-the-planets-that-could-maybe-have-<font color="#00a000">L <font color="#c007000">I <font color="#d00000">F <font color="#8000ff">E ! If multiple sources are specifically discussing that an object is interesting because it's in the predicted liquid-water zone, then perhaps that warrants mention in conservative manner. Alsee (talk) 20:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello, Alsee and thank you for your suggestions, I do not want to get into an argument with you but I just wanted to point out that you called me a "bad faith editor" on the AfD for List of potentially habitable exoplanets and then argued that I was the creator of the article. I understand that you may have been (or you are) mad about my poor choices that I have made, however I dont think it is nessasary to condemn me as you had on that AfD, first of all I did not make that article. As for those KOI's all that I can ask is to listify them into a list similar to this one, and turn those KOI pages into redirects. Other than that I will WP:DROPTHESTICK for a while. <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;">Davidbuddy9 <font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;"> Talk 20:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops, I struck my erroneous statement that you created List of potentially habitable exoplanets. Thanx for pointing that out. I guess I lost track in all the related articles.


 * I do stand by my comment that every vote in a batch of multiple votes is a bad faith vote. I have closed quite a few RFCs. Closers have significant discretion in the details of "reasonably" assessing consensus, with various grounds for discarding invalid votes. My firm position is that in cases of deliberate multiple-voting, the entire batch should be dropped from the basic "head count". The multiple votes backfire to a count of zero, not one. Someone willing and motivated to sabotage the process is, at best, an unreliable indicator of general community consensus.


 * I'm not "mad" at you and I don't intend to "condemn you", but I can be cold blooded when presenting the case for cleanup. For example this close you made. I took the unusual step of flat out reverting it and reclosing. I skipped wasting time on a close review to overturn it, per WP:IAR and WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY. I'm sorry about "calling you out" in the reclose, but I needed to present an incontestable justification for reverting a close and I needed to explain how I reached a no-consensus from what looks like a consensus.


 * Hmmm, I just had an idea. I'm willing to work with you to remove the "condemnation" in that close. If you withdraw the close, if you claim the IP and withdraw both votes, then I can rewrite it as merely replacing a withdrawn close. And I can simply say no consensus 3-5 due to two withdrawn votes. That will let me remove the harsh explanation completely. I would be happy to see you return to being a positive contributor, and maybe that can be a small step helping you climb out of the hole you're in. Alsee (talk) 00:23, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I cannot withdraw those two (I only voted once on that RfC) on the Alpha Centauri Bb votes since I am blocked but if you would remove them with my permission go ahead with that. I was originally referring to the condemnation on the AfD for List of potentially habitable exoplanets, which personally myself I would like to change my stance on that too as I feel that the article should drop 'Habitable' and replace with 'by ESI'. <font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;">Davidbuddy9 <font style="color:#000000;background:#FFFFFF;"> Talk  00:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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