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About Article Change
I understand and I agree. But the results of the Indonesia-Malaysia Confrontation are more properly called the Indonesian and Malaysian Peace Treaty. As you correct, the completion of the confrontation was not due to the inability of the Indonesian military to continue the war, but due to the fall of Sukarno due to the PKI g30s which made Suharto President. Suharto chose to finish the war with a peace agreement called the Bangkok Agreement of 11 August 1966. Therefore, the outcome of this war is more properly called the "Indonesia-Malaysia Peace Treaty", Please for your understanding and thank you for your attention.

Unreasonable reversion of technical edits
For the second time, you have reverted my insertion of a cross reference. This is not reasonable behavior. Please do not do it again. Atla5Atla5 (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Please justify wholesale reversions
You have reverted all my recent edits to Chinese Indonesians without proper explanation. The edits included addition of a cross reference, removal of vague statements and factual corrections. If you have concerns with specific edits, please address them, rather than unilaterally reverting. Atla5Atla5 (talk) 00:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Bah
Just when the fun starts :) SatuSuro 05:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Ngurah Rai - there are actually more incidents than there are destinations if one includes the number of times planes either get abandoned or simply sit on that tarmac for preiods of time with inadequate explanation as to why :) SatuSuro 08:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC) Actually (hahah very comomnly used by non native speakers yes? ) the Indonesian airport articles have mostly turned into a heap of shit - a classic case of messes that clearly no one has taken the little anak by the hand walked them out into the open and given a big cleanup to clear the dust from the lungs :) SatuSuro 09:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC) BTW you need to archive mate - messages from blocked users etc need dark hole to go to :) SatuSuro 09:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC) WOW - whoosh! happy new year too! SatuSuro 09:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC) I have just gouged SCTV for the umpteenth time - this time all to the talk page - unredeemed unalphabetic rubbish SatuSuro 09:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC) Yeah its the gotta make an unalpha list syndrome :( SatuSuro 12:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Pelangi Kasih School Jakarta
Hello Davidelit. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Pelangi Kasih School Jakarta, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to schools. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hard not to laugh
Wow - almost as brilliant as WP:PROF - I cannot wait for a bunch of surabayan primary school kids putting up their schools as notable and important, and all the school policy strict eds come out and save them from deletion and we get clogged with non notable schools because of their insistence that they are notable - talk about shooting in the foot with a bazooka - whaddya think of open sauce javanism - doesnt it feel like (I know you love the stuff) dukuns and thoyuls and mystical bajajs in the ocean of bliss and so on.... SatuSuro 15:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually we do have a kid from surabaya who did put himself up as the 10th president of indonesia on mainspace a few days ago - at this rate we should have a kid from jakarta putting up himself as ruler of the universe within the month :( SatuSuro 07:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

If you're still looking for PKI material...
You might want to check this out: Record-Keeper of the exiled and forgotten (including an e-mail link) and related audio slide show from The Jakarta Post. Arsonal (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Indonesian National Revolution
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Indonesian National Revolution/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Image
Hi, I am a Medan citizen and I want to ask you where did you take this photo (File:MedanSkyline.jpg) ? I never seen this place before in Medan... Thx.  Kenrick   Talk   09:28, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooh... terima kasih (Tambahan : Hotel itu kalau tidak salah bernama "City International" "A member of City Inn Group" )  Kenrick   Talk   04:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Tidak... Saya tinggal didekat Thamrin Plaza (tepatnya di kelurahan ini) dan waktu saya mau ke toko pangkas rambut, selalu lewat hotel itu...  Kenrick   Talk   04:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm
I am not supporting either view at List of Indonesians - it is a sad reflection of how little we have left at the Indonesian project if we cannot keep a list on watch - my comment from 2 years ago is my reason for sitting on the fence - if it was on watch and only linked to notable persons articles I have not a problem with it existing. Sorry If i disappoint your on this! SatuSuro 02:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Have gone and over tagged it - machine indeed - indonesian terms throughout the article - hmmm - what do they really think wp en is for? dumping junk? SatuSuro 04:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

yap
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Suggestion
In view of the current state of your edits, is it now time to implement my suggestion of earlier this year?--Anthony.bradbury"talk" 22:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

My name
Hi there; I have had my username changed slightly, to remove the appearance of an e-mail (which it started out as). As you know, it would redirect, but if you want to change your address book my slightly changed name is --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 17:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Nasution
His attempted kidnapping story is interesting, but I think it might now be too long for that article. I'm looking at creating a separate article and summarising the coverage in the subject's main page. What do you think? cheers --Merbabu (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

POV category?
I don't understand. I mean, I can understand a possible dispute over whether Abdurrahman Wahid was a Zionist, but what did you mean by possible POV category? A Zionist is just someone who supports and believes in Israel's right to exist with a Jewish presence. Wahid's article and the article Muslim Zionism indicated that Wahid was this. Is this a misunderstanding? There were already existing categories for Category:Christian Zionists, Category:Arab Zionists, etc. If there are a significant number of well-known Muslim Zionists, it seems like a reasonable tidy category. - Gilgamesh (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

You know, if it's all the same to you, I'm going to add a brief definition to the category, and re-add Wahid to it. He was Muslim who was supportive of Israel, and that's a very notable interest in an encyclopedia. - Gilgamesh (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Two reverts is the magic number. I've decided that if there is consensus that he cannot be verified to be so, then I consider the matter closed. - Gilgamesh (talk) 07:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

He's clueless how to build on encyclopedia. That's why he thinks Koor, Indonesia is non notable and is too lazy to expand it himself.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ha ha, that's hilarious - is Blofeld short for "people skills"? --Merbabu (talk)

I usually have excellent people skills actually. I'm a Taurus, a bull in astrology who if you stay clear of I won't harm and will be calm and reserved, but as soon as you cross my path then the bull's insinct is to flare up. If you behave foolishly in trying to delete an article I started then I'll treat you as a fool. Kindly ask me to expand an article in good faith and I'll treat you amicably and the same. I would hope that both David and you Merbabu are capable individuals who are keen to improve quality on Indonesian topics. We just got off on the wrong foot with AFD threats tha's all. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

doh
memilih is in the brain a day later - ta for the project page comment - aging brain and all that SatuSuro 22:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

hangon - the regency absurdity needs very careful thinking - the megabrains of some over 100,000 edit persons created them - and the subsequent fallout could be problematic - I have to get off in a few moments - will try a very long gmail about this issue in the next day or so SatuSuro 05:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

geographic features
Another editor has questioned some of you tagging, and I think they are correct. Notability (geography), though an essay, expresses the current consensus. Rivers are unquestionably notable. Populated islands or islands of more than very trivial size, certainly (a single house has been considered sufficient to show that it is populated). Villages, certainly. Formal administrative regions, at the province or subprovince level, certainly.; they would be analogous to states and counties in the US. Subdistricts, too, I think  they correspond to the US townships, and I think they have all been held notable. They may also correspond to the Philippine Barangay; I recall there were earlier discussions about some of them, but I think they are currently all held notable also. The only relevant thing that is often not unnotable is unofficial non-adminsitrative divisions, "neighborhoods". I don't think any of these are among the ones you have been tagging. In practice, this is as firm a practice as any actual formal guideline, If you wish to test this, you certainly have the right to send a few to AfD, but I think you will  find they are speedy keeps.  DGG ( talk ) 18:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

As above; I've reverted some of these and would ask that you self-revert on at least most of what I'm seeing in your recent contribs. Jack Merridew 07:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

OK so we didnt get to have that off wiki conversation before the burung burung dari luar turun - hope to catch up for a longer talk later SatuSuro 07:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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Renville Agreement
There seems to be significant political spin / propaganda in the opening of the Renville Agreement with the phase "the Netherlands who were seeking to re-establish their colony in South East Asia". As far as I understood it, the 1946-49 conflict between Sukarno and the Netherland's was over the type of republic; despite the Dutch Church which wanted to protect it's pre-war business interests, van Mook promoted the idea of free elections and voluntary membership in a federation which was in conflict with Japan's idea in 1944 and Sukarno since at least that time to head a militant Republic administrated from Jakarta. The centralised Republic was supported by the Ford Foundation and other corporations wanting to obtain new mining licenses for the remote islands (justified by the 'Marshall Plan') which Sukarno would then administrate. Of course once they discovered in the 1950s that Sukarno was their equal, the Ford Foundation around '57 come up with the idea of replacing him with one of his Generals but that's another story. Does the Renville Agreement article need to include any quip alleging what the Dutch overall motivation was?Daeron (talk) 05:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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hbx
etc etc - yup m.r. does like his version of transcribing jowo words with the 'a's rather than the 'o's - thems the breaks! SatuSuro 10:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Hamengkubuwana_III - have a look see here SatuSuro 12:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * semangat, nafas, call it what you like - there is a special quality there SatuSuro 13:16, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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hey
good to see you still dip in! trust all is well SatuSuro 14:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Glad to see you're still doing good work with Indonesia-related stuff. I expanded First Hatta Cabinet, which you started; hope you like it (btw, if you haven't seen it yet check out the article on Sudirman) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Help Request
Hello Davidelit,

I am sincerely grateful for your help with the Garuda Indonesia Article. I too am trying to keep the article up-to-date and correct as I've great respect for the Airline and the Aviation world.

I'm writing this to request for your help in conducting a rollback of the said article as some of the recent edits have been weird and seemed out of place. If you have the time to spare, please review the recent edits made towards the said article and if possible, revert them to the last revision you deem appropriate.

Thank You.

Regards, Vandreadstriker (talk) 15:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Revert to Lion Air
I reverted your reversion of an IP user's edit to Lion Air, which you said was unsourced. I reverted your reversion because the edit you reverted was made in good faith. It was a correction of a spelling error ("retired" not "retied"). Perhaps you reverted the wrong edit? &mdash;Comp dude 123 19:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Revert to New York Agreement
I reverted your reversion of an editor's edit to New York Agreement, which you did not say was a POV edit but did say was made by a person who has "history of bias in editing". I reverted your reversion because the edit you reverted was made in good faith, and the description of your revert was inflammatory, a personal attack, and likely to incite a edit war. &mdash; Daeron (talk) 01:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Krakatoa
Hi, why did you reverted the removal of Dutch East Indies in the Krakatoa article? We don't say Java is an island in the Dutch East Indies (modern Indonesia), right?. I see no difference with Krakatoa. Garion96 (talk) 19:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. I take your point - in the present tense it is weird. I reverted the "is an island" to "was an island" as per pre-vandalism versions of the article. Cheers. Davidelit (Talk) 05:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you prefer "was an"?. Again, like Java, it still is an Island. From what I read about two thirds of the Island was destroyed, but it still is an island. What is wrong with "is a volcanic island situated in the Sunda Strait between the islands of Java and Sumatra in Indonesia"? Garion96 (talk) 08:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I havent re-read the article recently - but - there are two islands at least in history (if not more) - the original island (was an) and anak krakatoa is the successor island - I had the impression that they were two separate items literally... was is the more apt usage - but as I say havent read the trainwreck of the set of articles - from memory they need lots of work to fix - so the original island was an island of the dutch east indies - the current indonesian island is not the same island by any stretch... SatuSuro 08:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, that makes sense. Then the article itself needs to be updated. Or at least the lead of the article. Garion96 (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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ITB English name
Hello Davidelit

I noticed you reverted back my edit to ITB page. I am sorry first since I am not familiar with how wikipedia works. Since you said that this is English wikipedia, that is exactly my point. 'ITB' is the name the university should be referred in any language, just like 'MIT' is called 'MIT' in any language. Take a look at École Normale Supérieure for another instance. If you speak Indonesian, you can read some discussion from a lecturer from ITB here: http://rinaldimunir.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/bahasa-inggrisnya-itb-apa/ especially the part: "menurut UU Bahasa Indonesia Pasal 36, nama Perguruan Tinggi di Indonesia harus menggunakan Bahasa Indonesia"

and an example of an official ITB letter using the name Institut Teknologi Bandung in English here: http://lp4.itb.ac.id/wp-content/uploads/TERJEMAHAN-SK-DD-Twinning-Programs-Edited.pdf

This might seems like little concern by people outside academia. But if you're familiar with how academic publishing works, this might become an issue. Students/staffs from ITB often use alternative name like 'Bandung Institute of Technology' or 'Institute of Technology Bandung' since they do not know that the official name of ITB in English is still ITB. This made the count of number of papers/citation somewhat misleading, since we have different counts for 'Institut Teknolodi Bandung', 'Bandung Institute of Technology', and 'Institute of Technology Bandung'. I think many people get this wrong since they searched it on google and eventually end up on wikipedia.

I hope you re-consider my proposal and thank you.

Neuralprocessing (talk) 04:03, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Medan
Hi Davidelit. Sorry, why you reverted my revision about Medan? Currently, the article is not valid, especially about ethnicities percentage and "Medan is the third largest city in Indonesia". Based on 2010 census, I think Bandung was greater than Medan. Regards. --Afandri Adya (talk) 12:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks for touching base, David. Been busy and only doing minor edits from time to time. I sent a message to Satusuro recently about the page for Hang Nadim airport -- the lead there claims without citation that Batam's airport was started as a kind of "emergency overflow" from Changi. That might be true, but there is at least one other (also unverified) sentence in the lead that makes it seem like Batam is basically an extension of Singapore's regional plan. I'm not sure how to correct this article, but I thought it's worth mentioning to you guys. Martindo (talk) 05:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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Suharto
Hey David, this was an interesting edit. Certainly written in a non-neutral tone. I'm not sure what salam-online.com is. It appears to perhaps be a religious opinion paper. Is it thus a reliable source? My Indonesian is no longer that, um, efficient. The editor has carried this across into another few articles. Would be interested in your opinion. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 09:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * 1#content Jusuf Kalla, Petinggi Negara yang Sederhana | Biografi | Ensiklopedi Tokoh Indonesia] He was the second of 10 children.
 * conflict on Ambon and Molucca through a second Malino Declaration.

What does "Japanese sumera calendar" mean?
I believe the year 2605 refers to the Japanese imperial year. Why do you disagree? Shii (tock) 07:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

propose DYK for working cabinet?
Hello Davidelit. Do you want to propose DYK for your newly created article Working_Cabinet_(Joko_Widodo) ?, I think we can create some interesting hook, such as : Did you know that the number of women in Working_Cabinet_(Joko_Widodo) is the most than any other Cabinet of Indonesia. &#42;Annas* (talk) 05:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Working Cabinet (Joko Widodo)
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:04, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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Ngurah Rai airport
Hi, I notice that you have reverted a change I made to the Ngurah Rai international airport (Garuda Airlines and Wakatobi charter). The reason you added for the revert was "a puff blog is not a reliable source". I'm new to this so not sure what is meant by puff blog.

The blog I linked to is from the Wakatobi Dive Resort. They are the owners of the airport (ICAO: WA44 / IATA : TQQ). The airstrip you have reverted back to is wrong as it is the Matahora airstrip on Wangi Wangi (ICAO : ?? / IATA : WNI).

This is a Google map link to the Matahora Airport (WNI) This is a Google map link to the Maranggo Airport (TQQ)

You will also see on the Wakatobi Regency Page under Flight Hub that there is mentioned;

"The main flight hub of the Wakatobi archipelago is Matahora Airport on Wangiwangi Island; a separate airstrip is also present on Tomea Island which is used exclusively to transport visitors of the Wakatobi Dive Resort."

So you can see that the current version for the Wakatobi charter flight is linking to the Matahora Airport which is wrong as the Wakatobi Resort charter flight is to the private airport Maranggo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antaboga (talk • contribs) 13:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

As Wakatobi Dive Resort is the owner of the airport (and the blog post you deleted was from the Wakatobi Dive Resort) I don't understand why you reverted back to the outdated information.

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Hello
Hello, Mr. Davidelit. I've found your username in WikiProject Indonesia member list. I saw in WP Indonesia you're also interested in Indonesia politics. I've expanded Njoto and the article needs to be copyedited. I only use Google Books for references (all of the books are English) and one book from Tempo. I am not majoring in history but interested about Indonesian history. I'm affraid there are many inaccuracies too beside poor written English. Could you copyedit the article and remove the inaccuracies if any? Thanks in advance. MRFazry ( talk ) 05:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

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there are always more idiots here :) JarrahTree 00:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC) like me !  I had tried to thank you and for some thumb presing bloody keybard it was a revert, sorry, have reverted self!!  JarrahTree 07:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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for something as simple as use english bet there are 1k stubs and arts that could do with that :) JarrahTree 01:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Probably... We do what we can...:-) Davidelit (Talk)


 * surrounded by them, where is the breathing apparatus, or has common sense evaporated into the stratosphere? JarrahTree 08:44, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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trust youre safe sound etc, just tinkering with lead sentences, please alert me if you think any of it needs fixing - cheers JarrahTree 12:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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Hi Davidelit. I just edit article Indonesia. Why did you revert? Did you find anything inappropriate? Afandri (talk) 07:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, you changed the ranking of Indonesia's nominal GDP, but it is still 16th - see List of countries by GDP (nominal). Regards Davidelit (Talk) 09:52, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Your Revert on Garuda Indonesia Flight 152
Hi Davidelit,

You recently reverted my deletion on Garuda Indonesia Flight 152. As I explained in my edit summary, the content I removed (which you reverted since it was referenced content), was not verifiable in the reference provided. The text and the reference claims that the information in the text (investigation results) were the results of the "official NTSB" report. After carefully reviewing official NTSB reports on the NTSB archives, I found that no NTSB investigation took place, and that the investigation that took place by the Indonesian safety board was not published. As such, the content in that section, while contained on another (unverified) source, is factually inaccurate, and should not be present in the article. --Hunterm267''Talk 06:04, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Indonesia edit
I'm just a casual viewer of this article. I am not involved in the minutiae. What this looks like is section blanking, content censorship, possibly a POV issue. This much content is not just removed for bad sentence structure. Rather than blanking this much sourced content, including the wikilink to the further information article, somebody better stop reverting and start doing some writing to FIX the problem, rather than remove the subject from the world's knowledge database. Trackinfo (talk) 08:37, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No accusations toward you, you didn't start this. Removing an entire subject always looks suspicious.  At least putting a wikilink is a minimal compromise.  I think there should be at least a sentence or more to set up and summarize the subject.  My own knowledge of the subject is based in OR, my wife is from Indonesia (which is why this is one of over 12,000 articles I watch).  I've heard her stories and am familiar with the laws of the country that make women subservient to men.  As a (the largest) Moslem majority country, its discriminatory policies toward women are probably the most liberal amongst that group.  Which is to say, being anti-woman is a common, popular opinion amongst Indonesian people.  So the POV of removing content with a Western perspective on women's rights would be relatively common from the internal Indonesian perspective. Trackinfo (talk) 08:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Dear Davidelit regarding my edit that you reverted on 3/Sept and 4/Sep and your request 17/Sept that I help your understanding of the subject. Perhaps you could explain what you are having trouble understanding? In the meanwhile I hope you may agree that the article is meant to be about the "History of Indonesia" and not "Theories of Indonesian History", and therefore where possible should contain facts in preference to theories. Facts are things like the Dutch in 1946 told the United Nations (see Assembly resolution 66) that the Netherlands was legally required to perform the functions of UN Charter article 73e in relationship to the Netherlands East Indies, which article 73e says is a "sacred trust" with purpose until the territory has a "full measure of self-government".

"self-government" = independence or whatever else your people decide they want to do which is what the word "self" is referring to. Its a concept people in other parts of the world have heard of from the UN Charter article 1 that its purpose is also to "develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples". That's what the Netherlands in 1946 has declared and legally locked itself into for Indonesia; the Church and other business owners might be pissed off and try to get get public support to demand the Hague undoes this commitment, but that is not an option allowed by 73e. And there's Sukarno who might not want the Javanese to be allowed to design their own government or vote for their own choice of leaders. Currently the article includes theories alleging the Netherlands had a unspoken policy never to allow independence, which have been popular theories for a long time and still are popular (especially in Indonesia); but including that theory should not be reason to exclude the fact that the Netherlands made a legal commitment about Indonesia at the United Nations in/from 1946.Daeron (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

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Power vs. Manpower
Dear Davidelit,

I started questioning the naming of cabinet position Minister of Public Works and Manpower after adding a link to Herling Laoh. It seemed odd that in some of the cabinets there was also a Minister of Labor. Also, there are some references about the position that talk about the dealings of the ministry related to power in terms of electric and water power 1 and 2.

Here are some other comments:


 * First Ali Sastroamidjojo Cabinet, Second Ali Sastroamidjojo Cabinet, Djuanda Cabinet, Second Working Cabinet, Third Working Cabinet, Fourth Working Cabinet, Second Revised Dwikora Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Tenaga instead of Tenaga Kerja as is also seen in the following references related to Rooseno (first Ali Sastromidjojo cabinet): 1, 2, 3, and 4.


 * First Working Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Tenaga Kerja, but there are some references that use Tenaga for Sarjono Dipokusumo: 1, 2, and 3.


 * Dwikora Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Ketenagaan. These references associate the word to generated power: 1 and 2. Also, the naming in the next cabinet (Revised Dwikora Cabinet) for Setiadi Reksoprodjo shows this relationship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CakalangSantan (talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hello, I am Hertady,
Thank you for your talk. I am a new here. I put a reference after you undo my editing. but i don't know why it still can't be seen. only a notice about dispute. If you are not busy, you can kindly put the reference in Majapahit article about Kings name, reign, religion in majapahit empire, and Mahapatih name. Badrika, I wayan 1994. Sejarah nasional Indonesia dan umum untuk sma kelas 1 kurikulum 1994, Jakarta:Erlangga

^_^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hertady (talk • contribs) 20:00, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

please
play with my added refs from trove if they are in the wrong places JarrahTree 04:27, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Indonesian military
Hi, I see you just reverted my edit regarding Indonesia's military influence. Honestly, I don't understand your reason put there in the edit summary as it too short for me to understand. Can you explain it more in detail?

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It seems that BPUPKI is not wrong. See here --

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badan_Penyelidik_Usaha_Persiapan_Kemerdekaan_Indonesia

So both BPUPK and BPUPKI seem to be OK. Pmccawley (talk) 01:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. Leaving aside the lack of credibility of most articles on the largely unreferenced Indonesian language Wikipedia, "BPUPKI" is definitely wrong. The BPUPK was established by the Japanese 16th Army in Java, which had no influence over the rest of the future Indonesia. Sumatra was occupied by the 25th Army, and the rest of the Dutch East Indies was controlled by the Japanese navy. The addition of the "I" was part of the New Order propaganda narrative (like the "Budi Utomo being a national organization), backed by Yamin's self-serving account of the proceedings. See Kusuma, A.B.; Elson, R.E. (2011), A note on the sources for the 1945 constitutional debates in Indonesia, Bijdragen tot de taal-, land- en volkenkunde / Journal of the Humanities and Social Sciences of Southeast Asia, 167 (2-3): 196 – 209, doi:10.1163/22134379-90003589, ISSN 0006-2294. Regards Davidelit (Talk) 02:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for replying. I appreciate it. I assure you that don't want to make too much of a fuss about this. I now have looked up the Kusuma and Elson article.  Thank you for the reference.  They have clearly looked into the matter quite closely.  I notice that there are several references to a work entitled Risalah BPUPKI dan PPKI (at p. 207, for example).  This seems to suggest that the term BPUPKI was at least acceptable in some circles.  However, I appreciate the points you make about the role of the Japanese 16th Army in Java at the time and the implications of this.  At the end of it all, I'm not quite sure what the exact status of BPUPKI is.  However, as you say, whatever the precise status of BPUPKI, I agree that it seems better to refer to BPUPK.  And thank you for the courtesy of responding. Pmccawley (talk) 06:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for the response. The Risalah... publication - by Saafroedin Bahar,Ananda B.Kusuma and Nannie Hudawati - was part of the New Order (my copy is dated 1985) propaganda efforts to simultaneously proclaim Pancasila as the "holy grail" while not encouraging worship of Sukarno, who came up with it. The Saafroedin et al book is entirely based on Yamin's work (as thoroughly discredited by Kusma and Elson) in which he claims to have come up with a version of Pancasila first. The addition of the I was not only acceptable. but obligatory, having been (mis-)taught on schools, and to question it was bordering on being anti-Indonesia... Regards Davidelit (Talk) 07:19, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

arrggghhhh
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgggggggggggghhhhhh. or words to that effect - something like a rubrics cube, or gordian know, or cyclical something or other. Pity we no longer have a dedicated and committed admin in the project with a presence... the spelling variation will go on for ever i think...JarrahTree 00:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, yes. In the meantime I'm trying to stop the bigger idiots... Davidelit (Talk) 01:00, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * no shortage of them JarrahTree 02:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The secret is to stick to obscure articles - nobody can be bothered to make silly changes to Parindra, for example :-) 02:16, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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Alt text on North American X-15
Hi David, regarding your revert here, I didn't remove the alt text, but moved to the parameter in the infobox designed for it. I'm assuming the parameter actually functions, but I don't know how to test it to see if it is working properly. Did you confirm that the alt text was not functioning before you reverted? If it's not working, then we'll need to find someone to take a look at Infobox aircraft begin and try to fix it. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * My apologies - I was distracted and completely misread your edit. I did check it was working before, but not after. Davidelit (Talk) 04:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * No worries. I misread diffs a lot more than I'd like! - BilCat (talk) 04:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hello, this is how the man signed :. And Jakarta's main airport is called Soekarno-Hatta International Airport. "Sukarno" is a "Western" invention that prevails because as you know the "West" still dominates the world... Humboldt 18:31, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Economy of Indonesia
You will see in the April WEO 2019 that Indonesia's 2018 numbers are NOT "IMF staff estimates". Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The IMF released their 2019 WEO this month (April 2019): so no, we are not looking at the same page.KREOH (talk) 04:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * In this link you will find NO shaded cells for 2018, it is all grey.  Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * "Shaded cells indicate IMF staff estimates" will still be written up there even though the numbers shown are in grey cells (this indicates they are official figures and not estimates), this is why "est." was removed in the article edits. It is like this for every country. Do not disrupt the work being done. Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * In this link they are in a different color from the other table cells because of the background color of the website itself. The table format extends the more years there are added.KREOH (talk) 05:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * You will see here that the table cells with the descriptions are white, 2018 year cells are grey and 2019 cells are green. This is because the table starts going outside the website's bounds the more years there are added to it. Hopefully this clears up any confusion.KREOH (talk) 05:12, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


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About articles
Well, there are a lot of books the DPR opened for public. For example, the Committee for Inter-Parliamentary Cooperation can be made by this book, while this article is based on this, even though the book isn't quite neutral. Also, my late grandfather is a 1956 graduate from the Politics Faculty, so he has several books regarding the DPR RIS and Temporary DPR.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 07:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Update: I think you can just simply copy right off the first book into the article, due to the public domain nature of the book and the consistency of the book.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 07:07, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

A request
Hi. I from the Russian Wikipedia. You know the Indonesian language, right? If so then can you translate some phrases into English, please?

I will wait for an answer. And sorry for my bad English. ЗарегалсяДабыСделатьПравкуСтатьи (talk) 21:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi. Yes, I speak Indonesian. Which phrases do you need translating? Regards Davidelit (Talk) 03:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I do need translating the following phrases: "Pada saat bernyanyi, otot diafragma dapat memberi dorongan yang kuat kepada paru-paru serta dapat mengatur tenaga aliran udara melalui batang tenggorokan yang menggetarkan selaput suara yang masuk melalui mulut. Tetapi, tidak menutup kemungkinan pada saat perform juga menggunakan pernafasan dada dan kepala."


 * "Udara keluar dari paru-paru melewati tenggorokan yang digetarkan agar suara terdengar lebih nyaring. [...] Menghirup karakter suaranya cenderung lemah dari pada mendorong suara ke luar. Pada saat tampil di acara musik metal vokalis juga mencampurkan pernafasan dada dan kepala sebagai olahan menghasilkan suara pig-squeals tetapi yang lebih dominan dalam vokal exhale menggunakan pernafasan perut."


 * I write an article about extreme vocal technique that is known as "pig squeal"... I didn't know who else to ask. ЗарегалсяДабыСделатьПравкуСтатьи (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * "When a person sings, the diaphragm muscle applies strong pressure on the lungs, and can regulate the flow of air through the trachea, which vibrates the vocal cords, that enters via the mouth. But this does not eliminate the possibility that the air from the lungs and the head are also used when performing."


 * "Air leaves the lungs through the throat, which vibrates to make the sound louder. [...] [when?] inhaling, the character of the voice tends to be weaker than when pushing the sound out. When appearing at a metal music program, a vocalist also mixes breath from the chest and head to produce the pig squeal, but those with more dominant vocals exhale air from the stomach."


 * I hope this makes sense - I'm not an expert on anatomy. Davidelit (Talk) 14:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! Now I can finish the article. ЗарегалсяДабыСделатьПравкуСтатьи (talk) 15:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Davidelit....
Hey do you have any remaining portraits of Suharto, like this one on the far left corner of the picture? Further question, do you have any posters such as that?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry - though I had replied to this. I have a few, but I think the 1973 photo now on the article is the best choice. I have one of the cabinet posters somewhere, but I'd have to do some excavating to find it... Regards Davidelit (Talk) 01:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Good news, I've found a poster (not really, it's in a book) of the Fourth Development Cabinet. The poster (duh) might provide a handful of portraits.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Good news! Davidelit (Talk) 03:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Geez, about logo
Please contact me if you want to extract logo from a picture. I could simply create an svg by tracing the image.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 06:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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How is using the word "blood purge" to describe the politically motivated genocide of 3 million people "vandalism"? 190.46.133.59 (talk) 14:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. Your use of the term is your interpretation. Wikipedia needs citations. Also it is not necessary to use both abortive and attempt. Please discuss this at the talk psge. Thanks. Davidelit (Talk) 14:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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About “wayang” (puppet theatre)
Wayang come from the Javanese language, there are many types of puppet shadow/theatre in this world, for the wayang version itself comes from Java in Indonesia Jayaagung (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

About parang and golok
too much debate, the fact is Parang and Golok come from Indonesia! we speak originated! not who is wearing! Jayaagung (talk) 11:25, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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I don't know how to contact @bagas chrisara, i think @bagas chrisara is vandalism, please remove my block, wil you remove my block in wikipedia indonesia ???? Hidayat44 (talk) 06:46, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how to contact @bagas chrisara, i think @bagas chrisara is vandalism !!!! Hidayat44 (talk) 06:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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Please remove my block ip address in wikipedia indonesia, cause bagas chrisara is vandalism !!!! Hidayat44 (talk) 07:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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National Hero of Indonesia
Davidelit, I saw that you remove Rizal Nurdin from the list of national hero of Indonesia about ten years ago. The last appearance of Rizal Nurdin in the list was in here, and the first disappearance was here. Why do you remove his name? --Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 10:58, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

First women elected to the Indonesian parliament
Hello Davidelit. I am trying to identify the first women elected to parliament in Indonesia (for a list I am compiling of all the first women MPs in different countries). Based on a report from the Inter-Parliamentary Union (which I have to admit has proven wrong for several countries), women (17 of them) were elected for the first time in 1955 elections (I found details on some female members of the Volksraad but they appeared to have all been appointed members).

I saw there is a list of MPs elected in 1955 on id.wiki, but I only managed to identify 15 women (the ones with the title Ny.). Is there a reliable source you can point me to that contains the names of the women elected (and would confirm the number)? Cheers, Number   5  7  16:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comprehensive response. I can understand how frustrating it is – I've found conflicting information for several countries, particularly Venezuela, where every source seems to have a different number and/or list of names... Do you let me know if you ever come across any more useful info in this area, particularly one that has a list of names attached. Number   5  7  17:20, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Cendol
Dear David,

I received your email. The last edit page is without any link to external website. May I know is there any other error we have made? Please advise

Tq — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dd993f2 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

New clue
I found this document from the Ministry of Information relating to the borders of the Federal District: "Pada waktu penyerahan kedaulatan, pemerintahan di Jakarta terdiri atas seorang Gubernur yang menguasai suatu daerah yang dinamakan “federal distrik” dengan batas timur yaitu Kali Bekasi, batas selatan adalah Kecamatan Kedunghalang, batas barat Kewedanaan Balaraja dan batas sebelah utara ialah Laut Jawa. Di dalam federal distrik ini terdapat Residen untuk Ommelanden dan Burgemeester untuk daerah Kota Jakarta dengan batas timur Kecamatan Pulo Gadung dan Kali Cakung, batas selatan Kecamatan Pasar Rebo (Mampang Prapataan), Kebayoran Ilir, batas barat Kecamatan Kebon Jeruk (Cengkareng), dan batas utara adalah Laut Jawa. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 04:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Indonesian Army
Hey, regarding the recent changes to the Indonesian Army. I'm just asking, does it have to be on the lede? I checked the Armies of ASEAN and no mentioned of Human Rights violations on those pages. Those that mentioned are on different sections of the page like Vietnam on Lao Insurgency. I have no problem with the violations on the "History" section but putting it on the lede feels out of place considering other Armies doesn't have any. I checked US Army and Armed Forces also the Russian Armed Forces and Ground Forces and no mention of Human Rights Violations, etc. either. So is it possible to undo your latest changes on the Indonesian Army? and keep it on "History" section only?EvoSwatch (talk) 01:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

About your strange edit in "Proclamation of Indonesian Independence: Difference between revisions"
Hello. Isn't this arbitrary deletion of you strange? Why should the statement of objective facts from a source written on the basis of proper evidence be deleted? Is it a rule that such selfish suppression of speech holds in the English version of Wikipedia? I was disappointed with your intolerance. It is a clear fact that the statue of General Sudirman was donated by Indonesia to Japan, and it is also true that Hatta and Sukarno thanked Japan for the date of the Declaration of Independence (because they say so). Maybe it's a fact that Americans don't want to admit, but it's a historical fact, so please be fair and neutral. It is well known that Sukarno is pro-Japanese, and there are many official words of appreciation from Indonesian government officials for their independence to Japan, but the English version of Wikipedia does not mention such historical facts. I feel an intimidating atmosphere that I shouldn't do. And look at some articles, there are a lot of misunderstandings and mistakes about Japan, and the English version is not a very reliable encyclopedia for articles related to Japan. --みしまるもも (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC) add --みしまるもも (talk) 12:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * User:みしまるもも, this is the English Wikipedia. English sources are not required, but are of course preferred. To start clamoring about "intolerance" and "selfish suppression of speech" is really over the top, and to throw in that this is somehow an American POV is silly. In addition, some of your phrasing, here and in article space, seems to have been created using Google Translate--this is garbled, and that's before we get to the part where you seem to be on a crusade to deny or efface war crimes. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Excuse me for using words like "Is it racial discrimination against the Japanese" yesterday, which may have made me feel uncomfortable.

But, you misunderstand me and the refer sources. I do not say that everything Japan has done is good, and I do not deny that Japan forced the Indonesian people to struggle. However, in this article, there are numbers that were too exaggerated and inaccuracies. And the refer sources I used are good evident in the official papers and books of many serious researchers. Also, it is the fact that there is both the merits and demerits of Japan in Indonesia, it is the historical facts which many researchers said. But this article lacked the "merits" aspect, so I edited the aspect and balanced the article.

Nevertheless, you are reversing it all. It's a very emotional act and strange. It may be because the book's title made you uncomfortable (Eye-catching title for sale), but the content in the book is fair and well-founded. Regarding other sources, the researchers wrote accept the "sin" of Japan, and they state that the "merit" aspect of Japan is also an important historical fact. I want you to trust me more, and please be fair.--みしまるもも (talk) 01:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Map of Pasundan update
Davidelit, thanks to one of your links, i have found this book. At page 12, the book gave us some sneak peek of the geographical form of the State of Pasundan; do you think this is accurate? Please reply at the bottom of this message and ping me. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 11:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

KRI Irian reverted edit
Hello, I just want to asks about your recent reverted edit on KRI Irian page. The question is about "directly copy-pasted from https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/supertest-pan-asian-cruiser-irian/", I want to inform you that they took the reference from Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1947–1995 page 178 because it had exact same sentences from the book, so i think they can't claimed any copyright?

I already explained this issue on my talk page before and got no answer, do you think that maybe we can find a best way to keep the content that already reverted? Because the credible articles about KRI Irian is very hard to find and if there's one, it's murky and I think we all have responsibility to give others the correct and neutral history as a lesson for future generation

I'm expecting your replies, thankyou IndonesiaSocmedController (talk) 18:56, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thankyou for your attention, i think the deletion of the page is the best way right now, atleast until there are an official information/article from the government but do you think that it could be proposed as a stub article instead of deletion? Regards, IndonesiaSocmedController (talk) 05:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thankyou for your attention, i think the deletion of the page is the best way right now, atleast until there are an official information/article from the government but do you think that it could be proposed as a stub article instead of deletion? Regards, IndonesiaSocmedController (talk) 05:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

i will report you because of your unconstructive and disruptive reverts
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Regarding reversing my edit on the page of the President of Indonesia. The formal nickname for the former president of Indonesia was "Paduka Yang Mulia" which was originally the equivalent of the word "Heika" which was the official nickname for the Japanese emperor. So in my opinion there is nothing wrong with the phrase "Paduka Yang Mulia" translated as "Your Majesty" because it was originally called the head of the monarchy, and now the official nickname used is Yang Terhormat which means in English is The Honorable, why do you reverse too... Juan Felix Kurnianto (talk) 09:11, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Good one, I agree. However, there seems to be good evidence that the banana originated in Nugini and pre-Indonesians brought it from Kalimantan to Madagascar, leading to cultivation in Africa (see Banana). Martindo (talk) 01:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Cahyand
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Major religious groups Doremon764 (talk) 01:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

The Mute's Soliloquy ISBN
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Missing cite in Anak Agung Bagus Suteja
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doain ya banh besok gwehj ke pesantren
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Veteran RI
Refer to your edit here. While I agree to placement of the sentence is a bit out of place, but I dont understand on "why did you think source from Veterans' Legion of Indonesia is not WP:RS?". Do you mind to elaborate that? Thank you. Ckfasdf (talk) 08:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi. I felt that the WP:RS tag was appropriate because apart from clear bias in a source that has a vested interest in inflating the number and the vagueness of "Di Indonesia ini tercatat ada 863.432 Veteran Pejuang" (meaning they are registered as having claimed to have participated), it is a striking mismatch with the (cited) figure of 250,00 in the infobox. Incidentally I have my doubts about the source for the majority of Indian volunteers being killed. Any thoughts on that? Regards Davidelit (Talk) 08:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Regarding striking difference in number, Veterans' Legion of Indonesia refer to definition of veteran as stipulated in regulation (initial regulation: article 3 of PP 34/1985 and last changed in Article 21 PP 31/2018), whereas the criteria for "Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan" is kind of low (Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan Republik Indonesia sebagaimana dimaksud dalam ayat (1) huruf a dibagi menjadi 5 (lima) golongan, yaitu Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan Republik Indonesia : e. Golongan E, dengan masa perjuangan sedikit-dikitnya 6 (enam) bulan dan sebanyak-banyaknya 11 (sebelas) bulan. and Veteran Pejuang Kemerdekaan Republik Indonesia adalah warga negara Indonesia yang dalam masa revolusi fisik antara tanggal 17 Agustus 1945 sampai dengan tanggal 27 Desember 1949).
 * IMO that number is still possible since not all of them are active at one given time. Whereas, the figure in infobox most likely refer to total combatant at one given time. Also again that number is based on number of membership in Veterans' Legion of Indonesia, so it may be considered as WP:PRIMARY, but then it still can be used in article. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * For comparison, approved US military strength for Operation Enduring Freedom is 75,000 personnel. And yet, total US military veteran during that time is 2.8 million person. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:13, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a logical argument, which I accept. If you can find a logical place to insert the claim, I won't remove it :-) Regards Davidelit (Talk) 10:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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I have requested RfC on inclusion of -elect official into List of president/vice president/prime minister. Anyone interested can give their comments. Ckfasdf (talk) 04:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)