User talk:Davidkelly321

October 2012
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on HOSA. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement. Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. ''Please do not move this page without consensus from other editors. HOSA still is an acronym for Health Occupations Students of America by the way. Source it if you think otherwise. I have requested move protection to prevent this.'' gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 18:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made; that is to say, editors are not automatically "entitled" to three reverts.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * Hey! I apologize for this strong message and reverting your edits. I had to revert them in order to move the page back to it's old title. If you'd like to redo the edits at its current title feel free to. But if you wouldn't mind, ask on the article's talk page first. That way I don't have to get in an edit war with you. Thanks! gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 18:57, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi gwickwire, HOSA no longer stands for Health Occupations Students of America, according to The HOSA Handbook, Section C page 11 and Section A page 40. Davidkelly321 (talk) 19:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I will go look at that. Give me a while. However, you'd still need other sources (independent from HOSA) to add/delete the information from the article, or request a move. We'd also need to get consensus before moving the page, as that's a big deal. I'm looking now. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 19:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Update. In 2004, the national conference did decide to change the name from just Health Occupations Students of America to HOSA to make it easier to say and write. However, they never removed the previous name from the acronym. The acronym still stands for Health Occupations Students of America. Sorry. I will however be willing to add that the official name was changed if you'd like. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 19:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for researching this, but I still disagree. I am the National President of HOSA and the intent of the motion passed at our conference in 2004 was to officially change the name to simply HOSA with the tagline "future health professionals". This is comparable to the changes made by the National FFA Organization in 1988 and the National DECA Organization in 1991. As you will note, both of those organizations are now listed under their new names. The acronym HOSA no longer exists. It is merely a part of our history. Davidkelly321 (talk) 20:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Like I said, we really need other sources to add it to the article or move it right now. It's not me, I'd gladly change it for you. But Wikipedia has rules on this kind of thing. Looking at the history of the other articles, they weren't moved right after the sourcing of their change in name was added. The moving editor waited a month or two after quietly adding it to the article before moving the pages, that way people would have time to respond. This is the course of action I will take for this article. I will go add this to the article, and then in a month or two, if the sources are still there, I will move the page. I hope you understand this is nothing against you or HOSA. We just have to follow rules. Thanks for understanding.


 * Here's what I am going to do:
 * I am going to quietly add this to the page in a day or two (to avoid making so many edits on the page in a day).
 * I will then, around the middle of November or beginning of December, go back and see if it's still there
 * If it hasn't been removed or challenged, I will go about getting the move taken care of.


 * If, by the 8th of December, I haven't gone back and moved it or posted here with further information, please go to my talk page and put this at the very bottom (cutting and pasting is okay, the WikiText will resolve itself from what I have put here):


 * ==HOSA acronym==


 * You had previously said you'd take a look at the HOSA page in a month or two, and I haven't seen you move it or talk to me about it. This is just a reminder. Thanks, Davidkelly321 (talk)


 * Once again, thanks for your understanding and willingness to cooperate. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 21:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, I hope you don't mind if I continue making the edits I had planned on the current page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkelly321 (talk • contribs)


 * Nope. No problem! Feel free to edit the page otherwise. I'll continue to watch it to make sure nobody is giving you trouble. Also, whenever you post on a talk page here, you should sign your post with ~ (four tildes) . This adds a link to your userpage, talkpage, and the date and time. That way people know who to respond to. Thanks! gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 21:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Just an update, I have gone ahead and added the information about the change of the long name to just HOSA in the article. Feel free to add to that if you want to. gwickwire &#124; Leave a message 21:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC)