User talk:Davidlofgren96

Explanation
@User:kashmiri @User:Starship.paint I do not use this account, and it was set up when I was just a kid in school by me and some friends. Clearly, from my other account, you can see that I have been a productive editor on Wikipedia, and any vandalism from this account was me being a stupid kid.

I am not trying to circumvent any Wikipedia rules here, I am merely sending a message to request that I have access to my talk page. I feel that, despite my comments, the actions taken against me have been incredibly harsh, and to my knowledge, not in-line with Wikipedia policy. Regardless of what I may have said, I've never seen another user delete someone else's comments on a talk page discussion, which is exactly what happened at the original discussion and then on my own talk page.

As I'm sure you can understand, having your comments (re: original thread) deleted with the only explanation given being WP:NPA, is very confusing. It was not a personal attack by any means, it was an opinion given.

If you have a look at the current state of the discussion, you'll see my original point being proven further... Despite there clearly being space for a discussion, users are intending to move to protect the article, suggesting that any attempts to move the article "need to stop". This feels very un-Wikipedia-like, and in my opinion shows a clear bias. If I am banned for expressing my bias, why are others not facing the same punishment.

Every single oppose vote rehashes the exact same thing: that there is "evidence of rape" in the 7 Oct attacks, but as pointed out by users who actually look at each and every source (as we all should be doing, rather than reading a headline and preaching it as gospel, surely?), there is no tangible evidence. You can see the arguments presented in the discussion, we all can, and those who agree with me that the "evidence" is too weak to call these events anything but "alleged" make some very strong arguments, while I saw someone on the opposing side of the argument cite Screams Without Words as evidence. Seriously.

Referring to your message on my talk page, Kashmiri, this is exactly the thing I am talking about. Your opening comment is rather snide, and I see no difference between me questioning others' morality and you questioning my intelligence. In any other case, I would agree that taking a position of moral superiority would be wrong, however in this particular discussion we are talking about one side who have continually lied about atrocities committed to justify the slaughter of thousands of civilians. I'm not sure if you are on social media, so perhaps you would not have access to the same information I am seeing, but Israel supporters are still using the "40 beheaded babies", "baby burned in an oven" and the unevidenced rapes to justify the nation's actions. If we as Wikipedians are helping to propagate these lies, without at least casting the appropriate doubt on them, then how can we even claim neutrality?

Unfortunately, despite what is being shown for all the world to see on social media, there are far too little (if any) articles on the atrocities being committed by the IDF in media. But we can all see the videos 1, 2, 3. These are just three I've found in a matter of seconds, while there are hundreds more. These also don't show clearly the impact that American, British and Israeli weapons have on the bodies of children, those videos are very difficult to stomach, as I'm sure you can imagine. This is not a political issue, this is a moral issue, and to stand on the side of neutrality, or in support of the perpetrators of such heinous acts, is in my opinion deplorable. So yes, I will take a stance of moral superiority, because I can hold my head high in the knowledge that I do not support the killing-for-fun of innocent children. How can anyone side with people like this, or this and claim to even have morals?

You refer to the entire situation as a "war", and then go on what appears to be a very region-specific tangent; "Middle Eastern tribes in particular have been murdering each other for millennia as evidenced in old scriptures"??? I think this, again, highlights your bias. There have never been any wars in Europe? In the Americas? In Asian countries further east? In Africa? People have been "murdering each other for millennia" solely in the Middle East? While I'm not claiming that Hamas are "good", the children of Palestine are. A reminder: they are children. So yes, actually, there are "good boys" in this "war", and they are being slaughtered carte blanche with the support of Western countries, such as my own - which bring me deep shame, and is part of the reason as to why I am so passionate about this topic. To see my peers and countrymen support such disgusting acts of violence against children makes me sick.

We can argue the facts, non-facts and lies until we are blue in the face. I am not going to change my views and it's likely you will not either, nor (unfortunately) will any of the people in that discussion. I've given my reasoning for what I've said, I stand by it, but I understand that some of my behaviour was not appropriate for Wikipedia discussions.

However, I do still believe that I was treated harshly, and would very much appreciate explanations for the action taken against me, and whether it adheres to Wikipedia policy. If possible, I would like access to my talk page at a minimum, and though I understand it is not likely, the ability to go back to creating articles for the WP:FOOTBALL project. Davidlofgren96 (talk) 08:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There are means and ways of appealing a ban, and if your only "sin" was a bit of vandalism ages ago, I think you have decent chances of getting it undone. I would have suggested doing this before commenting on a WP:ARBPIA enforced article, as that complicates things. Still, you can try; however this is not the way to do so, there is a formal mechanism for this, see WP:APPEAL. Brusquedandelion (talk) 11:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank yous
Also, thank yous to starship.paint, @User:Zanahary and @User:GiantSnowman for their comments on my talk page, I appreciate the messages. And to @User:Brusquedandelion, @User:Smallangryplanet, @User:Iskandar323 and @User:Ïvana - I would have thanked you each for your contributions to the original discussion, but as I am now permanently banned, I cannot do so. Davidlofgren96 (talk) 08:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)