User talk:Davidwr/Archives/Archive 18

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Automobile (disambiguation)
Hello, Davidwr. This old Afc submission is up for deletion now. Did you ever get a response about it from the disambiguation experts? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Not that I recall. Let it go. By the way, congrats in advance on the mop. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  03:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charter bole
I've dug up a few more mentions of charter bole (which I spotted on the G13 AfC list). Do you think this would be better off in wiktionary, and if so what's the best way to go about that? Or otherwise, any objections to moving it to mainspace where it might get a few more eyeballs? Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 22:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If these are uncommon artifacts that have very little mention in reliable sources, then wiktionary is the place to be. If they are mentioned enough to clearly meet WP:N, then both wiktionary and wikipedia would be good places to have information about this subject.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  23:02, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-18
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Dragons: Real Myths and Unreal Creatures --
Hi Davidwr,

I am not familiar with the exchange system here. I understand I could have replied by editing what you wrote on my user page. I'm just not sure.

I have not written a word of the Dragons: Real Myths and Unreal Creatures page. This said I get what Wikipedia may see as a potential conflict of interest.

Thank you for pointing that out.

Very few spectators spectators will see this movie because it has a Wikipedia page. We have trailers in English, French, Spanish, Danish and Chinese. This movie plays or has played in regular programming or festivals in Quebec, Sudbury, Salt Lake City, Paris, London, Bejing, Hangzu, Mexicali, Tijuana and will soon open later this year in Montreal, Tokyo, Seoul and probably elsewhere in the world. It is available for showings on demand in AMC and Cineplex Imax venues. We have a website, a facebook page, etc. Not a single booking will come from this page. This isn't how the market works.

This page project was there for kids and teachers and because the knowledge it contained, most of which has been stripped by your fellowship recommendation, was thought to be valid and worthy by people in periphery of this production.

Many Imax movies have pages on wikipedia, including others that I have done. Those pages weren't done by retired and disinterested scholars who have no links to the productions. I don't know for the ones I am linked to, but I know many movies that have pages in Wikipedia were submitted by their PR departments or some anonymized process. Some of them are purely promotional, it makes no doubt. Ours wasn't, even in its initial version.

I don't know how I can escalate this to a formal complaint and free you from dealing with the crook you see in me. This system is byzantine and it favors anonymous and technocratic control, and strict and sometimes misinformed adherence to rules without the possiblity of a true arbitration by a neutral judge capable of putting things in context.

So, Davidwr, you have my real name. I "admitted", as it is said in this cold and unfriendly place, a "link" to this potentially contaminated thing.

I give up. You, Tokyogirl79, and anupmehra win.

I don't have time to learn the strings.

Don't publish this page.

My film just can't have a fair defense in this orwellian procedure. It can't be presented fairly and for the value of its content or form.

It's just not worth spending more time arguing. I am by definition not allowed to talk.

Regards,

Marc Fafard

Mf wik (talk) 03:58, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've replied on my page about this. In a nutshell, I'm sorry that you feel discriminated against, but we have very firm rules about notability for films. Even if we were to transfer it into the mainspace, it would still have these problems and odds are very high that it would be deleted or nominated for deletion within days of the transfer. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Kieran Boylan affair
Could you take a look at this article when you get a chance? It includes some spicy issues, so I would appreciate assistance in making sure it's accurate and consistent with BLP. I notice that a lot of AfCs put the external links before the references. Can these sections be included in some sort of skeleton so people know the proper ordering? Just a suggestion. Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:36, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll check that article out shortly. As far as a "skeleton article" goes, if people are using the WP:Article Wizard, they should be getting a "sample" article that looks like either Template:Article wizard/skeleton or Template:Article wizard/userpageskeleton.  If people do not use the Article Wizard, I'm not sure what "template," if any, is used.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  01:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I would recommend asking for help at the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. I did remove a non-existent category.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  01:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-19
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Recent software changes
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 * There is a new type for TemplateData parameters:  for file names.
 * Editing formulae in VisualEditor will soon be enabled for all users.
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provisional oppose
At the RfC for Template:Infobox officieholder, you posted a "provisional oppose" !vote. I would trust the added comments and discussion will assist you. Collect (talk) 20:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-20
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Recent software changes
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VisualEditor news
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Future software changes
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 * You will soon be able to link to Flow posts and workflows with.
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 * The Vector skin will work faster, as the sidebar will no longer collapse partly after being loaded.
 * MediaViewer will be enabled for all users on Wikimedia Commons on May 15. Feedback is welcome.
 * An IRC discussion about Phabricator will take place on May 14 at 18:00 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion).
 * Toolserver tools will be stopped on June 30. Please make sure to change gadgets [ that link to the Toolserver] to point to Tool Labs instead.

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Talkback
The Bushranger One ping only 07:38, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-21
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Notification of a June AfC BackLog Drive
 Hello Davidwr:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a  month long Backlog Elimination Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2014 to June 30, 2014.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over articles, so start reviewing articles! Visit the drive's page and help out!

The AfC helper script can assist you in tallying your edits automatically. To view a full list of changes, visit the changelog. Please report bugs and feature requests there, too! Thanks. Sent on behalf of (t) (c) by &#123;&#123;U&#124;&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) using the MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Is Sampsa (street artist) page now sufficiently supported by secondary sources?
Hi Davidwr, thanks for helping with the page for Sampsa (street artist). I added references to recent Guardian and Huffington Post articles about the subject. My question is, is this sufficient to warrant removal of the BFP Primary Sources warning at the head of the page? Clade Cote (talk) 14:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Immediately after this was moved from AFC, it had a reliable sources template on it, which was quickly changed to BLP primary sources. Except for the new "2014" section and its references, there have been no changes to the references.  I'm inclined to say that the template or some similar template needs to stay until some of the less-than-ideal sources that were there on Feb. 20 are replaced with better sources or the article is increased in size so much (say, 2x) and the new material is well-sourced that the percentage of the article affected by less-than-ideal sourcing becomes low enough that the poor-referencing-template can be removed.
 * what do you guys think? davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  23:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it is slightly borderline at the moment, and tend to agree with davidwr's comments above. However, I have seen far worse referenced articles with no template present. Probably it is presently simply a matter of individual editor's opinions/preferences.


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:35, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help, davidwr and Derek R Bullamore. I have gone through every reference, and removed one that did not seem notable nor support the text. There are still three blogs referenced, but they are currently the sole sources for some central information about the subject's works. My gut feels that motherboard.vice, referenced numerous times, is more tabloid than legitimate reference, but is it so bad as to compromise notability standards for WP articles? I also added two new references - an Al Jaazeera article and Huffpo report - that feel solid. I feel that to pare the references further would elide some meaningful contributions to understanding the subject, and his place in the larger context of street art in the 2010's. I appeal to senior editors to reconsider whether this page still requires the BLP primary sources notice. Clade Cote (talk) 08:15, 20 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I have been bold, smarten up the references and removed the primary sources hatnote. If others violently disagree, then the situation can be reassessed. Regards,


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-22
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 * It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor; many minor bugs related to images have also been fixed.
 * VisualEditor will no longer convert spaces to underscores inside links to pages in namespaces that include spaces in their names.

Future software changes
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 * It will soon no longer be possible to upload different files under the same name at the same time using the UploadWizard tool.
 * Links to TIFF, DjVu or PDF files created with the syntax  will now show an image caption if there is any text after page number; previously they caused the given page to appear.
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Lloyd Bancaire
Given that the (re)creator of this article has also been involved in gross misrepresentation of sources, I have raised the matter at WP:ANI - see here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Ambedkar related Images
Thank you for your recent contributions. JimRenge (talk) 17:17, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your recent contributions! When I read your 2nd warning on JAIBHIM5`s (Jai Bhim is a slogan or greeting, translated as: victory to Ambedkar in dalit buddhist movement, section Maharashtra) talk page, I wondered why you gave him the warning for not understanding undue weight.
 * His recent edit/revert was on Aurangabad, and we seem to be equally unsure about the question if this gives undue weight in this context. It might be helpful to make it more clear that the warning is for persistent edit warring. His unwillingness to understand undue weight and NPOV are the main problem and should be mentioned, but I doubt that his talk page contributions are a reason for a formal warning template. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 * There are 2 articles left, where the image additions are at least dubious and have not been removed: Monumental sculpture and name. I doubt that the pictures are educating readers about the topic. What is your opinion? JimRenge (talk) 17:05, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was his persistent efforts on the talk page of the other article I cited in the warning which put me "over the edge" to the point of warning him. Those discussions clearly show that he either doesn't understand or pretends to not understand WP:Undue weight.  I zapped the image from Name as that is clearly not relevant to the topic in addition to giving undue weight.  The other image might actually be okay.  It was not okay in the section it was in, so for the time being I placed it in the gallery and changed the caption to minimize "undue weight".  If you wish to discuss the merits of the image's use in that article, please use the article's talk page.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  17:57, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-23
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Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf7) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on May 29. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 3, and to all Wikipedias on June 5 (calendar).
 * CirrusSearch was enabled as the primary search method on all Wikipedias with less than 100,000 pages on May 30.

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 * Templates that redirect to other templates now get the TemplateData of their target.
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 * VisualEditor now checks if your browser supports SVG files to avoid displaying broken icons.
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Future software changes
 * MediaViewer will be enabled on the German (de) and English (en) Wikipedias on June 3. Feedback is welcome.
 * You will soon see a warning if you visit a contributions page for a user that does not exist.
 * The search tab will soon be removed from user preferences. You will be able to set your search preferences on [ Special:Search].
 * You will soon see a label next to the little triangle arrow for the Actions menu in the Vector skin (screenshot).

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 * For about 20 minutes on May 29, all wikis were broken due to a configuration error.

Articles for creation: Draft:Charles O’Donnell
Hello Davidwr,

I first want to thank for the time you took to review my submission. I did want to respond to your feedback and see if you could provide some clarification on certain areas. Firstly relating to your point about non-internet references. I have all of the references i used in PDF format as well as many others relating to the subject of the article. I would be happy to provide these to you or any other reviewer. I am just not certain how i should go about doing this. Secondly you mentioned that my article is not complaint with Wikipedia's neutrality clause. I would be happy to correct any problems that are causing this. I have however reviewed the page relating to this and am not certain how i am violating it. If you could provide me with a specific example of a sentence or statement where i violate this i believe it would help me fix the rest of it.

Thank you very much for your time,

Bobmarley723 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobmarley723 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note to self: Draft:Charles O’Donnell.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  19:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Notability on Mockingbird Lane (road)
Hello , Currently I am finding many sources and in the coming days will be adding them as I am very busy. Please consider that this road is the main throughfare of other smaller cities it passes through, as in Highland Park or the general area of central Dallas. Also many major landmarks are situated along this road, such as the George W. Bush Presidential Library. Please hold off on the proposed deletion.

Thanks, Br media   23:39, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The George W. Bush Presidential Center and most other SMU-area landmarks are not on this street. They should be linked to or briefly discussed in either the Southern Methodist University article or in the article about the city or Dallas-area neighborhood in which they are situated.  Please restrict the landmarks to those which are either addressed on Mockingbird Lane or which, like Dallas Love Field, are "on" Mockingbird Lane even if the address is a different street (in this case, Cedar Springs).
 * As a specific example, the block that George W. Bush Presidential Center sits on is bounded by Potomac Avenue on the south, one block north of Mockingbird. The actual structure is on the north part o the block, accessible from SMU Boulevard.  Therefore, this particular landmark should not be mentioned on any article about the street called Mockingbird Lane.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  15:33, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-24
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Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf8) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 5. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 10, and to all Wikipedias on June 12 (calendar).
 * You can now use guided tours on the Arabic (ar), Bengali (bn) and Norwegian (no) Wikipedias. If you want this tool on your wiki, you need to [//translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-guidedtour&filter=&action=translate translate it] and ask in [//bugzilla.wikimedia.org Bugzilla].

VisualEditor news
 * You should no longer be able to add empty references with VisualEditor.
 * The "use an existing reference" button in the reference tool is now shown as disabled, rather than hidden, when the reference has content.
 * You will now see category contents again after saving an edit to a category page with VisualEditor.

Future software changes
 * MediaViewer will be enabled by default on all wikis on June 12. Feedback is welcome.
 * You will be able to use information from Wikidata directly in Wikiquote pages starting on June 10.
 * On wikis with the Translate extension enabled, translation administrators will soon be able to use the page migration tool to import existing translations to the new system.
 * You will soon see metadata on file description pages for Ogg files (example video, example audio). Some metadata with non-English characters may need to be purged or transcoded to UTF-8 before they show correctly.
 * Templates containing  or   tags will no longer need dummy parameters to prevent caching.
 * You will no longer be able to use Special:Thanks directly. The page will soon show an error message when you visit it.
 * Hovercards will no longer flicker.

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Medina Alert
Hello David,

I wrote the article Medina Alert but am not the creator of the alert. My name is Bee Ling Withers and I work at the Denver Police Department. I am part of the many people who support the program but do not have a vested interest in it. This article was designed to provide a history of the program and to enable others who are trying to bring the program to their cities a tool to show to their legislators and law enforcement. I tried to write the article in a historic manner without being self promoting. Please advise how else to do this. I provided articles written about the program by newsmedia and testimonials to show how good the program is and to support the history of the program. I used the name MedinaAler1 because I don't own rights to the name and am not the founder of the program. This way he can be responsible for updating the article as it evolves. If you think I should use my own name, I would be happy to but the Medina Alert is a trademark. Thank you for your advice and time.

Bee Ling — Preceding unsigned comment added by MedinaAler1 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I highly recommend that you change your username. See Username policy for instructions.  This way, nobody will think you are related to that company.  By the way, Wikipedia specifically discourages company employees/agents/owners/officers/etc. from editing on topics related to their business (see Conflict of interest). Therefore, "This way he can be responsible for updating the article as it evolves" is not going to happen.  Once the draft is accepted (if it is accepted), any maintenance work done on this article will be done by people with no connection to the topic, except maybe as a customer.  As far as help with this specific draft, please ask questions on Draft talk:MEDINA Alert where others can see them.  As a general recommendation, avoid using sources which are written by, published by, or re-published for promotional purposes by the company itself.  Also avoid testimonials, even if the company doesn't seem to be the one publishing the testimonial.  Anything written "to show how good the program is" is likely to make the draft sound too promotional to be encyclopedic.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  21:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Abuse of consensus
On Talk:Rape in Jammu and Kashmir. I think most of the people had agreed that the article should be merged. Darkness Shines had merged it on 6th May, it was no secret. Once DS got topic banned, Mar4d would revert him on 20th May, I reverted him on 4 June, and after 9 days he started edit warring over that. Now I am not sure what is really going on, but sock puppet invasion, {report) canvassing by some WP:SPA probably kills the credibility. You may want to have a look., you have any input?  Occult Zone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 13:01, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ,, I don't have time to give this the attention it deserves right now. Given the potential contentiousness of this, I recommend inviting all relevant Wikiprojects to join a common discussion on this topic and/or asking at least 3 uninvolved administrators who have no particular interest in the "parent" Wikiprojects to monitor the situation for the next few weeks and take whatever administrative action they deem appropriate.  If you think an SPI is warranted, start one.  But be reasonably sure you are right beforehand: Naming someone in an SPI who turns out to be acting alone is not something you want to have on your conscience or your Wiki-resume (people will forgive one mistake, but don't make it a habit).  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  00:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I know nothing of the subject matter, sorry. That DS amd M are continually at loggerheads, and that both seem often to be looking for trouble in their selection of articles etc is pretty much a given ... but what to do about it generally or even in a specific instance is beyond me. I can tell you that neither have anything to do with Nangparbat: I've been around long enough and dealt with these people often enough to have spotted the signs if they were. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sitush (talk • contribs) 00:30, 16 June 2014
 * Regentspark suggested a new proposal. Callanecc has allowed CU to investigate the socking of Nangparbat, who has been canvassing and posting hate speech for the sake of that page. I hope it will go better than I had expected 2 days ago.  Occult Zone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:14, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ,, please continue this conversation elsewhere. If you need my attention, use ping or a related template.  I can't guarantee that I'll respond or even that I'll see it in a timely manner, but I can all but guarantee that a ping on a project- or talk-page that is read by lots of people won't look like behind-the-scenes canvassing.  Asking me to get or stay involved by posting here more than once starts to look like canvassing, which I'm sure is not your intent.  Also, it doesn't get my attention any faster than a "ping" would. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  04:01, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

PC2
Thanks for all the productive discussion on PC2, and best of luck for the next round. - Dank (push to talk) 22:22, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Wishing me luck makes it sound like it's a sporting match, with a winning side and a losing side. In the grand scheme of things, we are all on the same side here - building a better encyclopedia.  While my personal views and wishes may not be reflected in this particular community discussion to the degree needed to find WP:CONSENSUS, that's far less important than having a discussion with a clear outcome.
 * As you and I think most people who "stuck it out to the end" would agree on, this past round had problems and misunderstandings from the beginning, and once the discussion started, those problems could not be completely un-done (the only way to completely undo the effects of the "bad start" - an "early procedural close/wait a few days and start over" administrative action - would've been extremely contentious and likely would lead to ANI and possibly a request for ARBCOM action against said administrator).  I hope "next time" is at least 30 days out AND I hope there is a widely-advertised quasi-formal "officially non-binding, but binding by gentlemen's agreement" "pre-discussion" to discuss how to move forward and when to move forward.  I would lose no sleep on this if there wasn't any attempt to restart this before 2015.  On the other hand, once it restarts, I plan on being involved.  If it doesn't restart by a year from now, I may initiate a restart of it.
 * For "next time," don't wish me luck - wish the Wikipedia Community a smooth process that clearly shows the will of the community, in a way that all participants will agree that the end result reflects the consensus of the community discussion.
 * By the way, thank you and all of the closers for what was an unusually difficult close. I've got things going on in my personal life (not far along enough yet in a multi-year off-Wiki process) and in my early Wikipedia history ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3ADavidwr] and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Davidwr/Long-overdue_apology&oldid=332901992], and check your email) that, taken together, mean I would not pass RFA now or in the next year or two.  When this combination is no longer true, if I think having the mop will allow me to help Wikipedia in ways that lesser user-rights can't, I may go through what will be an ordeal with off-Wiki consequences to me.  If I do get the bit, I pray I don't have to make any calls that are this difficult and this wide-ranging, at least not in the first year or two that I have the bit.  For my next "no, I'm not collecting hats, really" project, I'll get a lot better at template-editing then make enough protected-template edit requests that some administrator will give me that bit just so I won't be so annoying.  That's a joke.  Seriously, any edit request to a protected template that might be controversial or is "technically difficult" or "technically risky" should probably have two sets of eyeballs on it as a matter of routine. However, if I'm going to be making a lot of those requests, like WP:DYN, I'll have a duty to do my share of reviewing others' suggested template edits, which will make having the bit useful to the project.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  00:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you've got a lot on your plate, I hope it works out. I remembered the general gist of the Arbcom stuff. Glad to hear you'll be participating in future discussions. - Dank (push to talk) 01:26, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you've got a lot on your plate, I hope it works out. I remembered the general gist of the Arbcom stuff. Glad to hear you'll be participating in future discussions. - Dank (push to talk) 01:26, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-25
<section begin="technews-2014-W25"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Reminder
 * You can subscribe to the wikitech-ambassadors mailing list to get news more quickly and to send feedback or report problems.

Recent software changes
 * The latest version of MediaWiki (1.24wmf9) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on June 12. It will be added to non-Wikipedia wikis on June 17, and to all Wikipedias on June 19 (calendar).
 * You can now read a summary of the Wikimedia technical report for May 2014.

VisualEditor news
 * You can now easily see the target of a link or other information using the context menu.
 * When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to switch it to re-use another reference.
 * You can now add and edit  and   in the page settings menu.
 * The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler; the order of mathematical symbols is now correct.

Future software changes
 * Media Viewer will be enabled by default on all wikis on June 19. Feedback is welcome.
 * You will no longer be able to use navigation popups and Hovercards at the same time.
 * You will no longer see image thumbnails on search results pages on Wikibooks and Wikisource wikis.
 * It will soon be possible to globally rename global (<abbr title="Single User Login">SUL ) users.
 * Tablet users will be redirected to the mobile view of Wikimedia wikis starting on June 17.
 * The special page that lists most linked-to templates will soon include pages from all namespaces; it will also be renamed to.
 * An IRC discussion about Phabricator will take place on June 17 at 17:30 UTC on the channel #wikimedia-office on freenode (time conversion). You can also read a blog post about the upcoming switch to Phabricator.
 * You can now comment on the draft 2014-15 goals of the Wikimedia Foundation engineering department.

Tech news prepared by tech ambassadors and posted by MediaWiki message delivery • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe. <section end="technews-2014-W25"/> 07:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)