User talk:Davo88/Archive 1

Welcome
I hope you liked the set up of your page. If you have any other questions, just let me know; I can help you with using wikipedia.--Moosh88 05:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for helping me out here. I'm sure I can use some more really soon...--Davo88 05:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * David has caught on rather quickly. Hakob 07:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Armenia
Hakob and I, decided to make a Wikiproject for Armenia. We hope that you and other Armenian wikipedia editors, will take the time to expand Armenian related articles and create new articles on topics currently without one. Please feel free to share your thoughts on the project and have fun! Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Armenia --Moosh88 01:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

SL
Sedat Laciner is on Wikipedia contributing under two different usernames, please keep and eye on him, as he has already begun his POV pushing campaign. His user name is Slaciner, I don't know the other name he uses. Please contact me if you have any questions or something important comes up, thanks!--Moosh88 23:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

De rien
Thanks for the "thank you." Hakob 23:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

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Salut
Toi tu habite ou exactement? Hayastantsee es?--Eupator 13:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * From Boston originally, currently reside in West Island for business in Laval and Mtl. Lots of compatriots from la Belle Province here.--Eupator 14:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * On and off, 6 years between going back and forth to the States and Armenia. No it's because of your name Davo, I've never seen a Bourdjhamoudtsi or another Diasporan use Davo, usually only Hayastantsees do.--Eupator 14:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Country survey for WikiProject Armenia
Which country do you live in specifically (I'm doing this so I can include a flag next to your name on the WikiProject Armenia participation list). -- Clevelander 20:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi there.
Hey, Davit, nice to see you on the Wiki Armenia project. I remember that Fadix told me in the past that you too have access to various databases. I have sent you an email about an info I need about one of them, feel free to respond when you have time. Thanx, bye.--TigranTheGreat 00:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info under western Armenia
Thanks for the historical/cultural info. We had a special page for History of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Western Armenia page was intended to be geological (sub region) info. I moved most of your additions to History of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. If you check that page and correct (if I missed an information..) I would be pleased. Thanks again. --OttomanReference 14:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

There are many geological references in this part of the history that makes the text hard to read, such as western-eastern-high plains, etc. The page was intended to create a reference to the geological referrals. I think history, the second page, is the correct place for cultural and other issues. If you need to make geological references from this page to western-eastern Armenia it will give you that link. I use the Western Armenia as a pointer to sub region in the text, when I see a need. Thanks. I hope you will not be distracted and continue giving us more information about the history of Armenians between 15th century to 19th century.--OttomanReference 18:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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Happy Birthday Dave!
Pari Daretarts David! Amen daree ays oreroun! Fedayee 03:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Your weird comment
Excuse me?? I am an atheist and there are many atheist Turkish editors in Wiki, so your statement that Turks don't easily accept non-Muslims amongst them is clearly racist, unfounded, ignorant and completely irrelevant. Take your racist banter somewhere else please. You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about since you are making such unfounded and blanket statements. I am really trying hard to engage in dialogue and address people's concerns, but comments like yours are not helping. In any case, what you had said was completely irrelevant since, the birth of the nation-state, and as such the birth of a collective national identity only dates back two centuries. 14th century Greeks didn't identify themselves as Greeks in the modern sense either, and religious identity was ten times more important. Neither did the Kurds, Chinese, French, Italian etc. The Italian identity didn't even exist until late 1800s. So there you go for that argument. I will only ask that you make more constructive comments and stop offensing people, because the statement you made implied that most Turks were racist simply because they wouldn't socialize with non-Muslims or something. Regards.. Baristarim 00:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, i also replied in that page. cheers! Baristarim 06:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Es megn deer kardez
Es mekn jeeshdn eh. 75.28.33.43 20:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Շնորհաւոր նոր տարի եւ Սուրբ Ծնունդ - Fedayee 19:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

ARF page
Parev Dave, pokhetsi ngareh our geh gardzeyink adi tashnagtsagan leader-ner eyin vor gakhver eyin, iraganoutiounuh hnchak en adonk egher, irents official site-in vrah kdah randomly, 20 martyrs of hnchaks anounin dag geh harken adonts. So bedkeh ourish ngar kdneyi, tri Aram Manougiani ngareh but gouzeyi hartsnel yeteh ourish pammeh aveli lav gellar? Van resistance-i ngar gouzeyi gor tnel or DRA related ngar but pammeh chegav, the van resistance pic is kinda bad yev shad repetitive gellah armed fighteri ngar tnel. Inch geh gardzess? hetch suggestion ounis? msg ereh ishteh. Seeya David. Fedayee 02:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Tigranes II
Well it incorporates text from the article the Kurdish book states that Tigranes had Kurdish origin but its not included in the article yet. But those books listed are useful and they reference the article ill try to add it to the appropriate section or sentences and Happy new year to you to :). Nareklm 08:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes i have alot from Armenica.org choose one and ill upload it since i have permission now to use there maps under GDFL license and its going to be approved shortly. But i already uploaded these Click here. Nareklm 02:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm you said military lol im not sure. Nareklm 02:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For now sure but if we find a replacement than we'll change them. Nareklm 02:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure. Nareklm 05:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You didn't like the Armenica cilica map ? Nareklm 21:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * oops i put it here sorry, Cilicia. Nareklm 21:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Inline citations
Hey, just wanted to ask you not to use ibids (ie: Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia). For multiple citations of the same reference use this tag. Also it's best to put your inline ref within a citation template, note that not all attributes of a citation template are required. Cheers.--  Ευπάτωρ   Talk!! 19:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If the source material is written in Armenian then place before the citation template to indicate the language.--   Ευπάτωρ   Talk!! 20:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd go with 29-56, or the entire page range that deals with Cilicia. There's no ISBN #?--  Ευπάτωρ   Talk!! 20:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll join
and please see Denial of the Armenian Genocide. --ArmenianJoe 04:51, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The Yegvor Issue
I put in the Talk:Armenia page, the discussion. Ararat arev 19:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I agree with your edit. Ararat arev 19:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

But, its not everything we need to correct a lot of our history still. A lot is changed or missing. Ararat arev 19:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

We are never remembered by the name Phrygians, but yet we are rememberd by Nairi etc etc. Greeks say there is no link with Assyrians referring to Phyrgians as Mushki, yet Moshchoi which Greeks use is Georgian tribes. We have always called ourselves with the name Armen. The most common Armenian name. A nationality just doesnt forget its name, or change names sometime in their history, it doesnt work that way. Ararat arev 19:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, Egyptians referred to our Mitanni kingdom as Nairi or Nahrin. Nahrin or Nahrineh is also an Armenian common girls name. Along with Nairi too of course. My cousin's name is Nahrin, which Egyptians used for Mitanni :) Ararat arev 19:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you're right I understand. Have you seen Gevork's site? armenianhighland.com? Are you azgaser? or arevordi? These are sites on our history too. :) Check out my myspace page. http://myspace.com/30451865 Our younger Hyes need to wake up and find out about our history. This year markes 4,500 of Navasard (Haik calendar) The Armenian language is unique compared to all other languages. Hurrian and Sumerian cuneiforms indicate the unique 8 or 9 sounds that the Armenian language has in their letters. The IE(Aryan) roots are from the Armenian Highland, and the 8 or 9 unique sounds in Armenian is nothing similar to other IE peoples language. The Armenian language therefore is a independent language of IE and root of IE. Ararat arev 19:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Tell me what you think of my myspace page http://myspace.com/30451865, hopefully the younger Hyes will wake up. Ararat arev 19:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No, azgaser I mean asgaser's site and Arevordi's site. They have sites on our history. Check my myspace page to find out what I mean. Also make sure you check out http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html Ararat arev 19:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Davo, Im glad you are here. I was waiting for someone finally like you to show up here. :) Ararat arev 19:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you working on Armeniapedia http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page also? I corrected some of our history there too. It was missing a lot in that site. Ararat arev 19:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Davo, let's update the Mitanni page and put in Mitanni in the History of Armenia article as well. That article tab what is that called, you know which one Im talking about? The one with the 2 lions and cross of the Cilicia image.Ararat arev 02:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

First of we have the Hurrian evidence, and second the Mitanni IE kings names are in Armenian. For example, Artatama translates to "most righteous" which the Arta is rigteous in Armenian. Tusratta is "ten chariots" Tus is ten in Armenian etc etc. Before I found out that Artak Movsisyan knew this, I had already found that out. Sanskrit was written which was Proto-IE. Since we are the roots of IE from the Armenian Highland, than this is another proof of Mitanni being Armenian. The Soupria which you mentioned is today's Sasun. Its actually Subaria or Subartu (Sumer). So its Arme-Subria or Armeni-Suberia. That area near lake Van and Nairi was in Mitanni and parts of Lake Van. Another point is the same Mitra was worshipped and continued until Tigran's time. The crown of Tigran is the same 8 ray sun symbol with 2 eagles of the Mitanni seal. This is enough proof. Armenians are native roots of IE in the Armenian Highland, and the Persians and Indians were with us in Mitanni. So all of us (Aryans) IE people were there at that time in Mitanni. So afterwards the Indo-Aryan migration took place, and Hovick Nersessian explains that the Persians seperated from us shortly after the Urartu kingdom started. So the Persians meaning the Indians also. Another last point is the Egyptians referreed to Mitanni as Nahrin or Nairi "land of 2 rivers",which Nairi is remembered to this day. Ararat arev 02:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Another thing I forgot is Hurri. Hurri is stilled used today in Armenian as Sun with wings. Thats the very symbol of the Mitanni. So here is enough proof of it. Also Hur is fire just as Jur is water :) Ararat arev 02:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hovick Nersessian is also in New York Academy of Sciences. Here are some more scholars:

Jacquetta Hawkes

Jacquetta Hawkes, "The First Great Civilizations," London, 1967

"Yet the Hurrians did not disappear from history. Away to the North in their Armenian homeland, they entrenched themselves and build up the kingdom of Urartu."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquetta_Hawkes

[edit] M. Chahin

M. Chahin, "The Kingdom of Armenia," London, 2001

"The new kingdom of Urartu, which proved to be the stronghold of the Hurrian race."

Hurrians meaning the people of Mitanni which were both from Armenian Highland Ararat arev 02:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The most important point is that we have always know Ararich(Asdvadz) And the Ar = Light, Life, Sun. So for example, Arev, Ararat, Aratta, Areg, Armen, Armenia, Arka, etc etc. So Ara for examle is A"Ra", The Ra in Egyptian switched is Ar, which both means light or sun or life, life giver. Ararich meaning the Light the Creator. So we have always worshipped and known the truth. We have always known the true light the Creator the "AR"arich. We actually influenced and revealed to Egypt in 18th dynasty of Egypt which you see Akhenaten the Aten Sun worship etc etc. That is from Mitanni with the Sun (Arev) havadk yev Asdvadzee havadkn. Ararat arev 02:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes I was going to mention that also about Kurds. Kurds, since they are Aryaee like us also, were yet another tribe there just like Persian and Indian tribes. These tribes were all there. So since we are very few people even today even without the genocide, we are considered all very close Aryans :) And at that time we were even closer it seems. The time of Mitanni which all the Aryans were together like Kurds,Persians, and Indians Ararat arev 02:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You see whats interesting about that is that Kurds have rememberence of Nairi, Khaldi from Urartu and many of those ancient names. This shows that they were together with us more near. Ararat arev 02:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you read this? I gain knowledege about our history from various places, here is the Kurd history part:

"The Hurrians spread out and eventually dominated significant territories outside their Zagros-Taurus mountainous base. However, like the Kurds, they did not expand very far from the mountains. As they settled, the Hurrians divided into a number of clans and subgroups, founding city-states, kingdoms and empires with eponymous clan names. These included the Gutis, Kurti, Khaldi, Nairi, Mushku, Mannaeans (Mannai), Mitanni, Urartu, Lullubi and the Kassites among others. All these tribes were part of the larger group of Hurrians (Khurrites), and together helped to shape the Hurrian phase of Kurdish history. These groups, except the Mitanni leadership, are thought to have been non-Indo-Europeans." Ararat arev 02:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Look it even mentions Urartu, Khaldi you know? You see this is what it is. All these groups were part of the "larger" Hurrian group. Hurrian is actually not a seperate people but was Armenians. Armeni (Aryans), so when they say that All these tribes were part of the larger group of Hurrians (Khurrites), and together helped to shape the Hurrian phase of Kurdish history, this includes us. Ararat arev 03:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

There are many scholars and almost all Hye scholar say IE(Aryan) homeland is the Armenian Highlands. It starts basically from after the flood and the land of Ararat where all the nations actually rebirth took place. So of course the IE homeland is Armenia. Just look at Armenia when it was Armenia the larger land and you can understand what Im saying. :) Ararat arev 03:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Armeni Sumerians lived in Sumer. We have always migrated. Our tribes have always migrated back and forth in the Middle east as we refer to it now. Ararat arev 03:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the main part actually that proves about Mitanni being Armenian, and of course the other Aryan peoples like Kurds,Indians, Persians.

"These included the Gutis, Kurti, Khaldi, Nairi, Mushku, Mannaeans (Mannai), Mitanni, Urartu, Lullubi and the Kassites among others. All these tribes were part of the larger group of Hurrians (Khurrites), and together helped to shape the Hurrian phase of Kurdish history"

And where it mentioned all none-IE except Mitanni, it means "Ar"yaee people like us "Ar"menians, Persians, Indians, and Kurds to this day are referred by Aryaee. In our langauges we say Aryaee. We dont say were "Indo-Eureopean" we use the "Aryaee" word. Ararat arev 03:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The Hurrians were from Armenia. They are Aryan, the language was an elite language used and just as today arevmdahye has a different slightly accent then arevelahye. So Hurrian-Aryan is the same. It was a unique way of writing. Also just as we speak more than one languag today, it was the same back then. I mean the recorded languages on the cuneiform inscriptions is not everything. Its like probably 10 or 20 % of it. The sounds that we have those 8 or 9 unique sounds are found in Hurrian and Sumerian. No other language except Chinese and Armenian have those 8 or 9 sounds. Ararat arev 03:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Rafael Ishkhanyan
Rafael Ishkhanyan, "Illustrated History of Armenia," Yerevan, 1989



This Hurrian cuneiform inscription translates to "I dug this watercourse" in Armenian. Ararat arev 03:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Look also at my page in myspace I mention the Sumerian words in Armenian by Martiros Kavoukjian http://myspace.com/30451865 Ararat arev 03:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh you might be thinking I dont know Persian or Indian or Kurd which is very similar to Persian. The Georgians too I know a little about their sounds. Persian I know the most because my parents are from Iran. Parsgahye enk. Persians only have the "Kh" and "Gh" the other 8 sounds are only in Armenian and Chinese. Hah. Intersting? :) Ararat arev 03:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You see? We are the roots of IE and the roots of the land of "Ar"arat(Aratta) Ararat arev 03:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You see how much they have erased and changed our history?? Ararat arev 04:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You said you looked at armenianhighland.com, yet you dont know about it. I thought you wouldve known. I also wrote about it in my myspace page did you read it? The flood story is written before the bible mentions it. The story of the flood in the bible and many other stories are taken from Armenian Highlands. The flood story is written first in Armeni Sumerian 2700 BC inscriptions. It mentions Mashu (Masis) also and mentions the same as the flood story of a righteous man etc etc. The rebirth of the nations from the land of Aratta (Ararat). The tree of life which is mentioned and the Garden of Eden stories are all from Armenian Highland inscriptions of our ancestors Armeni Sumerians etc etc. Ararat arev 04:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

If you really want to get deeper in the truth of the flood and other events. These are astronomical events that accure every 1000's of years. Its call precession of the 12 zodiac signs. Every 2000 or so years the zodiac age changes. We are reaching tha time very very near of another flood type event that will bring in the kingdom of Ararich (Arkaootoon) I told you earlier of "Ar"menia "Ar"arat the Ar = Light, Life, Sun. Hur = Ar also. This is why there are different ways of saying Ar in Semitic the Assyrians and Hebrews use "Ur" for light, where we get the city of Ur of Sumerians which is Ara, and Urartu is Ararat. Ararat arev 04:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The main capital of Hurrians when we migrated to Arevmoodk was "Haran". You see Har is the Ar silent "H". So its the same with Artoon and Harootoon. You see the Har and Ar? Ararat arev 04:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Harooton and Artoon or Artanal is the same meaning. To rise to life. To rise to wake up. Ararat arev 04:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Also the Artatama king of Mitanni which meant righteous is also meant cosmic law. Meaning that law in Armenian is Dad or Dadogh. So its Ardadama *dad* = law or judge of law same thing. Ararat arev 04:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

So are we ready to add in Mitanni in the Cilicia 2 lion History Armenia article? Let's add it, its very important we state these. Ararat arev 04:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The Armenian word Dadogh or Ardar comes from the same link word. Its both linked with law, judge, righteous etc. The titles of Asdvadz. Ararat arev 04:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This is from my own understanding of askhagidootoon yev jshdootoon:

This summer (August 11) marks the 4,500 year of Navasard (Haik's calendar). Haik (Orion) in ancient times in Armenia was the Sun of righteousness rising with healing in his wings. The 4 sides and 3 middle stars of Haik/Orion represent the 4 seasons and 3 months in each season, making the total of the 12 months. The 12 signs of the zodiac go around the same pattern 3 months, 4 seasons. Haik/Orion represents the Sun (Ar or Arev) rising with healing in his wings. Precession is shown in the lunar cycle of the 4 weeks (7's) 3 in each. The moon goes through the 12 signs, 2 half days in each sign completing the month. The 4 weeks (7's) make the ancient cross (khatch) symbol which shows the precession cycle. 3 signs of the 12 are in each of the 4 (7's)weeks. Going through the moon phases like how the swaying of precession would be from new moon, half moon, quarter moon, half again, and new again. Each 1000 years is a day so 2 half days is 2000 half years which it goes through of the 12 signs 2 half days in a month. So also the 2 meaning male and female 1000 in each. The cycle of life is like the seasons in a year. We go through darkness in winter and rise to life again at spring. The same with the Sun rising at Spring representing rebirth of life and path to eternal life. The Arev or Areg temple was first built in the land of Ararat (Aratta) Ararat arev 04:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

This is very amazing, I realized on my own that Armenian and Chinese are the only languages on earth that have those 8 or 9 sounds. We cant show the example you know in English :) We are the roots and origins of the Aryans that one for sure. So Mitanni is for sure the Proto-IE (Aryan) Armenians, and those other Aryans were with us too. Ararat arev 04:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You know another very strong proof is that the Armenian quarter in Jerusalem. Why in the world would there be a seperate Armenain quarter when there is a Christian quarter I asked myself. So I realized that the Armeni were already there before Abraham even stepped foot there. If you know that story of Melchizedek meeting Abraham? You see it doesnt mention much about this man, but yet it mentions later he is like the son of God? In the book of Hebrews it says that. So we are the sons of Ar (Ararich) so? Haik to consider? You knmow what I mean? Im not saying it was Haik, but it was for sure a reason we hagve the Armenian quarter there. So it shows Mitanni once again had that region whch was Armenian.(Armeni) To this day Assyrians from there Armeni inscriptions 4,500 years ago refer to us by that name. Ararat arev 04:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Did you see the Mitanni page and Urartu page? I added those images and the Mitanni seal mentioning Kavoukjians "Genesis of Armenian People" there. Ararat arev 05:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Davo are you here? Did you see the Mitanni and Urartu updates? Also let's put in the Mitanni with the rest of the History article. We have enough info now to put it. Ararat arev 03:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes strengthens our historic western Armenian Highland, also shows how much older we had our lands that our taken now. Also, it was very important in many ways, influencing Egypt during the 18th dynasty of the Arev(Sun) worship, knowing the true path etc etc. Its just very important to add in Mitanni. Ararat arev 04:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Were talking about the 18th dynasty that Tutankhamen possibly the son of Akhenaten and Nephretiti (native of Mitanni) Ararat arev 04:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I mean its that big a deal. The treasure they found some 80 years ago of Tutankhaton(Tutankhamen). Imagine how much history has been misunderstood? Our links in all this you see. Ararat arev 04:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Davo, can we add in Mitanni in the History article now? Ararat arev 23:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes drahed khosazel em. Inkn chee hasganoom mer budmootoonen. Inkn Yegeebdosee maseen ah meenak emanoom. These people dont realize that our language is the root of languages from the Armenian Highlands. 8 or 9 unique sounds only found in Armenian and Chinese. The Armenian language is complete, and all other language sounds are in Armenian. Ararat arev 01:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The Armenian language page says we borrowed words from Persian and Greek, when its the other way around, they took from us. Ararat arev 01:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Davo, explain to Nareklm about Mitanni. He reverted your edit. The guy is only 16, explain to him about it. Ararat arev 02:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you explain, so we can put it with good reasons. Obviously they're going to remove if we dont explain it. They consider it ignorance and vandalism. Ararat arev 02:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Some other pages I even put sources from New York Academy of Sciences even, and they remove without discussing or giving a good reason. They just keep putting "Rvv" "Rvv" "Rvv" "Rvv" over and over and over. Thats vandalism. Ararat arev 02:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Davo you read the Armenian Bible where it says Haik in place of the constellation Orion? I added in that part in Haik page, they keep removing it without reason or anything. They cant just remove something thats true. Help me out on this important issue. This year is 4,500 year of Navasard (Haik calendar), so its very important Ararat arev 20:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This information ""The Mitanni armies were composed of highly skilled professional troops. Their elite warriors were the maryannu, the horsemen and the charioteers of the aristocracy. The Mitanni chariots served as the models for the chariots of the neighboring armies. Mitanni chariots were sleek platforms with two wheels and a team of two horses. The horses and the maryannu warrior were well armored -- covered in bronze or iron scale armor. The attendants included archers that would fight with the noble charioteer from the chariot and the servants would attend the horses." With references Gevork Nazaryan - Kings & Dynasties - ; Hovick Nersessian "Highlands of Armenia," Los Angeles, 2000; Artak Movsisyan Artak Movsisyan, "Sacred Highland: Armenia in the spiritual conception of the Near East," Yerevan, 2000; Martiros Kavoukjian, "The Genesis of Armenian People", Montreal, 1982.", which the Mitanni seal is from. is from Armenianhighland.com not the books. Nareklm 04:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

These authors also reveal about Mitanni being an Armenian kingdom. Ararat arev 23:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hovick Nersessian is in the New York Academy of Sciences and mentions Mitanni is an Armenian kingdom. Ararat arev 23:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Avarayr
Hey man why not just put the treaty? for the result since both sides have ties since they won militarily but we got freedom of religion, and for Ararat i have discussed this many times i even referred him to a historian online and it seems all his references are nationalist like i said Armenian highland.com is and most of his references. Please man he tells me he has "Special talents" to figure these things out or something lol I'm not trying to put him down but if he wants to change Armenian history this is not the place it shows a lack of importance since he brags about how messed up our history is its people like him if you want to do something go and become a historian or archaeologist. Nareklm 21:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Creating new theories just ruins our history the present day history we have that is accurate may interfere with the "Theories" and kill our reputation the Mitanni theory has yet not proven its self, Ararat just tries to make up history using words when words were overruled long ago by historians although there are expectations. Plus he has no respect for other authors or even discussing it until it is locked finally when he starts an edit war than no one wants to talk. Mitanni flourished near Cilicia if I'm not mistaken and Armenians obviously inhabited those lands until 1915 where the turks persecuted Armenians. We can barely verify that Urartu was actually Armenia's going further back is ruining our history finish what is there than go on, because other than that it makes big gaps and holes in our history. We need more historians to verify these and there really isn't enough. Nareklm 22:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One more thing i see you edit the Cilicia article alot you might want to check this out 1268 Cilicia earthquake i recently made if you know any info on it thanks. Plus it occurred during when Armenians inhabited the area. Nareklm 22:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah it is and its sad how its not well documented but at least we have some and i will put every ounce of history here to help our history nothing shall be forgotten thousands lost lives. Nareklm 23:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's really interesting im going to go to a Armenian musuem tomorow in boston hopefully find some information on cilicia and other important historical armenian regions. Its amazing how Armenians have impacted the Armenian highland wheter it was the Mikoyan with the jets to Basil the byzantine emperor or Armenia being the first christian nation it is truly amazing but we do not get any credit for these or even mentioned in books. Nareklm 23:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Template History of Armenia issues
I put this quote in the Talk page of Template:History of Armenia

"Also Nahrin and Nairi both do mean "land of rivers" The Egyptians pronounced it Nahrin and the Assyrian pronounced it Nairi. These 2 peoples were Semitic, and they pronounced slightly different, but same meaning. The Armenians and Armenia you said didnt exist at that time? Armeni is mentioned as early as 2300 BC, not only that but all these other kingdoms that "participated" in our history. Like when you put Hittites. Hayasa, Haik, Armens is there in the Template. So whats the issue with Mitanni also being there?" Ararat arev 00:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you reading the discussion in the Template:History of Armenia Talk page? Make sure you read it, I explain everything I can to reveal Mitanni should go in the Template. Ararat arev 01:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)