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Why remove sopiha robot page krupesh patoliya — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4041:2CCF:6DFF:0:0:5489:2107 (talk) 02:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Bad edit
this is the third time in the last week or so you have added df=y to a year-only template. MB 02:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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Jérôme Pétion de Villeneuve
Hi AWB is a menace on articles relating to the French Revolution as it does not recognise the Convention as an entity and AWB users sometimes exchange capital letters for small in these articles. If you are not sure that Convention and Committee of Public Safety should have capital letters, please look at the Wikipedia articles on them and related articles to satisfy yourself that this is the correct form. I reverted all the AWB changes you made because the only substantial changes were incorrect, and the others were trivial. Once you have checked this out can you please restore the correct spellings? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, I restored the caps and I used nat to avoid this situation in the future. Thank you very much, Dawnseeker2000  17:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Great stuff thanks for your help. Mccapra (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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Date formats
Hi, I'm new to AWB and was wondering if you could share with me how you use AWB to audit date formats (like you did here). Many thanks, SSSB (talk) 13:25, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes of course. There's this editor called Ohconfucius and he's the caretaker of several groups of scripts that can be run. There's a set for use directly in the browser and there's some that can be used as modules in AWB. The modules for dates are set up specifically for mdy and dmy dates so there's one for each. I only run the DMY module because there are many more articles that use that format.
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 * Dawnseeker2000 14:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Is that enough to get you going? Dawnseeker2000  20:51, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, but I can't get it to work. Am I right in saying that you just copy and paste the code into here? However, when I tried it on my sandbox, I got this result. I am probably just being an idiot, any help would be appreciated. (also pinging ) SSSB (talk) 11:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, you can do it in one of two ways. If you prefer to run AWB, you can copy the code that resides at User:Ohconfucius/AWB modules/dmy or User:Ohconfucius/AWB modules/mdy depending on which target date format you want. I stopped using AWB, so it's no longer supported. I'm not sure how the code will work in the current version, but I know that there were some false positives, and using it was quite clumsy compared with running the script. Alternatively, the MOSNUM dates script that you have loaded into your commons.js file is more sophisticated, and won't go changing dates within title strings, for example. You will access both dmy and mdy alignments by the choice of a sidebar script button. I wrote the family of scripts, which has many of the functions in common with AWB (or maybe AWB writers have updated their codes to do some of the things my scripts do?). The script is more reliable than my AWB code because it employs a more elaborate system of protections that limits false positives that I could not prevent when using AWB. Regards, --  Ohc  revolution of our times 13:19, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well it seems that something is happening, so that's good, but it didn't tag the article with any date format template. There's a lot of moving parts with these sets of scripts (whether it's the browser or AWB version), but the AWB modules are truly like the old west because they haven't been updated since the mid-2010s. I sent you a modified version of the one that I use for dmy. It's got the current date in it so the date will be updated as it should. Dawnseeker2000  01:27, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, Dawnseeker. The modified version you sent me works. Many thanks! SSSB (talk) 09:24, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused on your date formatting changes. I was under the impression that when we institute a dmy or mdy format on an article, and we date that format, that the date should remain so we all know when it was instituted. The date should never change unless the format itself changes. That way we can tell editors "look, it's been this format for 7 years so please don't change it." If you start changing them to todays date that become useless. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * We can simply go back in the article's history if a dispute occurs regarding the format. The date format templates are used for maintenance. See Template:Use dmy dates Dawnseeker2000  22:18, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Strange but I see it does say the date of the template should change when an editor checks for inconsistent dates throughout the article. Are you checking for date errors when you update the dates? Because a date change will tell me that the article is correct and proper on the new date. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

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'script-assisted date audit and style fixes' editing errors
I have come across several articles that have had errors introduced by these fixes.

Examples: --Bamyers99 (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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 * I was aware of that issue, and have changed my code to avoid it in the future, but it was all my doing and had no relationship to Ohconfucius's script. Thanks for the message. Dawnseeker2000  20:18, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

A recent earthquake in Shropshire.
So not too long a go, a 3.8 magnitude earthquake struck Shropshire. The British Geological Survey apparently said the tremor happened at a depth of 8km near the town of Wem. How are your thoughts on the matter? O tempo voa (talk) 17:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm much more familiar with earthquakes in California because I lived there for a long time, but you might ask User:Mikenorton as he is a London-based geologist. Dawnseeker2000  19:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Possibly something to do with the Wem-Bridgemere-Red Rock Fault System. Mikenorton (talk) 21:42, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There's also this from the BGS: Here's a seismogram of the 3.8ML quake in #Shropshire earlier, and a map which shows the historic seismicity in the area in relation to today's event. 30 May 2022

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Links to Football League Championship rather than the article name EFL Championship, and similar
Hello, and thank you for all your cleanup work. You probably aren't aware that the English football/soccer competitions now known as EFL Championship, EFL League One, EFL Cup and similar were renamed to those names as part of a rebranding exercise in 2016. Before that, they were named the Football League Championship, Football League One, Football League Cup etc. Either is fine as the target of a piped link, but if the full name of the competition is visible to the reader and refers to 2016 or earlier, as e.g. the last change in this edit, it should be left chronologically accurate. There was no such thing as the EFL Cup in 1963. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 19:46, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for tips in this area. Cheers! Dawnseeker2000  22:38, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Karina Lomabard
What the hell is wrong with you? Rather than simply deleting the reference to the missing file, you actually think it more productive to add a new "category:Articles with missing files, totally useless. There is no missing file. 48Pills (talk) 04:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

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Your edit to 2011 CR Vasco da Gama season may have broken a template
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 * Hi and thanks for bringing this up! I restored the text as it was prior to my change in 2020 and it's much better now, though maybe not exactly as intended. I'm thoroughly unfamiliar with those templates and usage of the parameters may have changed. Cheers! Dawnseeker2000  21:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

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New Go Compare Logo
As of now they have rebranded to Go.Compare.

They rebranded their website and released a tv ad with the new logo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.23.252 (talk) 19:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fine. Please put in a move request to handle the name change to the article and please be aware that you've broken the file name twice now. Dawnseeker2000  19:46, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

AWB edit of quotation
Your AWB edit, my partial reversion

Probably AWB ought not modify a direct quotation here, so I've reverted it. I can't actually check the quote - because cn - but it seems improbable that AWB did either. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for that. Dawnseeker2000  04:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Re-nominating three former GA nom. articles
Hi, I will be re-nominating three EQ articles which you had done so previously. I will resolve the issues raised in the previous nominations and probably add on my own before nominating. Thanks for working on them. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 2010 Damghan earthquake
 * 2004 Les Saintes earthquake
 * 1986 North Palm Springs earthquake
 * Oh OK. That's kind of weird. Dawnseeker2000  08:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Commonwealth of the Philippines: Difference between revisions
I do not understand this reversion. Your edit summary does not match the edit action. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:38, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your change broke the file name and I restored it after seeing that the article was in Category:Articles with missing files. Dawnseeker2000  00:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That dawned on me soon after I made that comment. The image file seems misnamed, but I'll not pursue that. I'll mention it at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines, though. Thanks & cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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Japan (2023 film)
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Blocked the whole range
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Genes, Brain and Behavior
Hi, Out of curiosity, why would you change "2013" in that dmy template to "2023"? I can't think of any reason for that, so please educate me. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 10:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, of course. I ran some lines of code in AWB for that change that checks for consistency of date formats (DMY in this case, but there's also MDY for US topics) and those templates are used as an indicator of the last time a consistency check was performed. The intent and purpose of the templates is laid out at Template:Use dmy dates and their usage is tracked at Category:Use dmy dates. The TL;DR is that when a page is checked for consistency, the date in the template is changed to the current month and year, and since there are typically thousands of articles in each month since early 2011 (1.57 million total articles), I've been going through them for date formatting and ref improvements, among other things. Cheers! Dawnseeker2000  10:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Nice, I learned something, thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 10:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

An old AWB error you made ...
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script needs fixing
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 * Thanks for spotting that. Dawnseeker2000  16:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Edit a Wikipedia Page
Hey, Can you help me edit a Wikipedia page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravi_Shankar_(spiritual_leader)

We want to change this page name to

Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar Creator1998 (talk) 02:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, just follow the instructions at WP:RSPM. Dawnseeker2000  03:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

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Access-dates for news articles with an existing publication date
Hello. I noticed your script was now removing access-dates from news articles on the grounds they were not required if the news article has a publication date, but I'm not sure that's right. Help:Citation Style 1 says they're not required for linked documents that do not change, and goes on to clarify that access-date "is not required for links to copies of published research papers accessed via DOI or a published book, but should be used for links to news articles on commercial websites (these can change from time to time, even if they are also published in a physical medium)." cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with you; it's not right. Only stuff that cannot be changed, e.g. printed newspapers, magazines, books etc., doesn't need to have an access-date. Everything else that can be changed after publishing needs an access-date. SLBedit (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think there's a fair amount to be said about this and I'm wondering if either of you have an account on Discord. We can use a voice channel there to talk this out. Dawnseeker2000  19:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I prefer to keep any Wikipedia discussions public and on-wiki. Think my view comes down to:
 * Purely from personal experience, I've spent a fair amount of my time on here adding archive-urls to dead links (manually, including checking the thing that bots can't – that the archive copy actually includes the content cited), and the presence of an access-date does make that job easier.
 * As I said above, Help:CS1 clarifies that access-dates should be used for links to news articles on commercial websites, because they can change. There's no practical difference between such pages and non-news articles on any other non-static website. Whether the online article mirrors the print version or not, whether there even was a print version – newspaper websites publish articles that didn't appear in print, or in a version different from the print version, or in an updated or corrected version, (ideally with date of update/correction supplied). News websites, such as Sky News or BBC News, have no print version: the BBC in particular are notorious for changing their content over time without indicating a date of last update.
 * The cite-web template family documentation did for a time say that access-dates were "not required for links to published research papers, published books, or news articles with publication dates", but the wording changed to match Help:CS1 in August 2022.
 * I'm aware that there's quite a variety of opinion as to the usefulness of access-dates, which rather backs up my general belief that there are no guidelines/instructions/whatever that override Help:CS1 and the Citation Style documentation. Absent any such, I'm pretty sure a little private chat won't override them either.
 * Please don't take this the wrong way. I admire the work you do with keeping formatting up to current standards. I just think that this is a step too far and in the wrong direction. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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Anthony Hammond
Hi, thanks for your recent edits to this page. The only thing I don't understand is why you have deleted the bracketed word "(Google)" from the end of all the references which make links to pages in googlebooks. It's quite normal to put "(Hathi Trust)" or "(Internet Archive)", or (Early English Books Online)", etc., after references which link to one of those pages, so that the reader knows what they are being invited to click on, and "(Google)" is just in the same category. Unless there is a very good reason, therefore, please don't delete them, as they will otherwise all need putting back in manually. Probably this is a flaw in a robot script? Thanks, Eebahgum (talk) 11:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, the reason I remove those when I see them is because it's information that doesn't help the reader find the information that's cited. If you look at cite book for example, there's no parameter for host or something similar. Dawnseeker2000  03:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying. Whatever the shortcomings of "cite book" (which is not a compulsory reference format in wikipedia, and which often contains poorly-entered data), I believe the host-identifier in a properly-ordered free-text reference containing an external link remains very useful to the readers, as it enables them to click with confidence knowing that they are not crossing into an unsafe or unreliable webspace. [I don't normally give date of access, except with "(British History Online)" links, where the bibliographic formula given in the source automatically records date of access.] This seems still to be a matter of subjective preference. I can see that, over 1 million articles, 200 bytes per article (to name hosts for 15 refs p/art) could add up to a lot of page-space! Is that also the motivating factor? Good wishes, Eebahgum (talk) 06:50, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * there's no parameter for host or something similar. Not true.  via serves this purpose; see the parameter documentation.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is true. I'm very familiar. Communication by text has its shortcomings. I don't think you're arguing for or against, but I should add that I think that Google Books links are ubiquitous now and are no longer a novelty. Dawnseeker2000  15:59, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, your last point is rather the problem, because there are plenty of books which, at page level, aren't accessible in Googlebooks, but are in Internet Archive, or in Hathi Trust, or in various national library readers such as Persee or Munich Digitizierungzentrum, etc etc, and so one has to link to these other sites as well, depending on where the source is available and readable, and one still has to host-identify them. And if you are saying that Google (specifically) shouldn't be named but should be the assumed default of all booklinks, then in addition to a vast backlog of correction needed, across the whole encyclopedia, you are also working in the opposite direction to the Internet Archive Bot, which (very annoyingly) went about (and may still be going about) substituting IA booklinks for Google booklinks, often inaccurately or incompletely, and generally mucking things up. When I write a freetext (analogue) reference with a pagelink, I always check that it "works", that the page-views accessed are clear and readable, and that the information hierarchy in the ref itself is in proper conformity and as complete as I can make it: and so, because I know it works properly, I try to make sure it stays that way! It's that golden rule of "always verify your references". But I don't want to be on a collision course with anybody. Eebahgum (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, your last point is rather the problem, because there are plenty of books which, at page level, aren't accessible in Googlebooks, but are in Internet Archive, or in Hathi Trust, or in various national library readers such as Persee or Munich Digitizierungzentrum, etc etc, and so one has to link to these other sites as well, depending on where the source is available and readable, and one still has to host-identify them. And if you are saying that Google (specifically) shouldn't be named but should be the assumed default of all booklinks, then in addition to a vast backlog of correction needed, across the whole encyclopedia, you are also working in the opposite direction to the Internet Archive Bot, which (very annoyingly) went about (and may still be going about) substituting IA booklinks for Google booklinks, often inaccurately or incompletely, and generally mucking things up. When I write a freetext (analogue) reference with a pagelink, I always check that it "works", that the page-views accessed are clear and readable, and that the information hierarchy in the ref itself is in proper conformity and as complete as I can make it: and so, because I know it works properly, I try to make sure it stays that way! It's that golden rule of "always verify your references". But I don't want to be on a collision course with anybody. Eebahgum (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

AWB again
Please review your single AWB edit to Drumcondra, Dublin, and let me know which errors you notice in hindsight. What will you do differently moving forward? Sam Sailor 17:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What you can do is read my user page. Dawnseeker2000  18:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
 * What you should do is respond to my question. Sam Sailor 18:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Where can I locate the "inclusion criteria"
Your most recent edit on List of earthquakes in California states in the edit note "please observe the inclusion criteria". I tried looking but could not definitively locate the criteria you seem to be referring to. Could you please let me know where I can find this information? Paradox society  19:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's at the bottom of the table. Dawnseeker2000  20:21, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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MOSNUM_dates improvements
Hi: I notice you are a regular user of User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js. I've made some changes to get the Use...dates templates inserted in a place that's more in accordance with MOS:ORDER. It doesn't (yet) move the template if it is already there in the source, so it will only make a difference with new insertions.

Before getting the official version replaced, would you be so good as to give my version a final shakedown? If you see it doing anything badly wrong, please let me know. To use it, in your common.js on line 5, replace Ohconfucius with DavidBrooks (and flush cache). Thanks in advance. David Brooks (talk) 17:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes sir, will do that today. Dawnseeker2000  18:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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CS1: website vs publisher
Hi Dawnseeker. I saw your and that you'd replaced some instances of the website= parameter to publisher=. I know we seldom use both in the same reference, but I am unclear why publisher would be preferred over website? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, there's a couple different philosophies around Wikipedia when dealing with website vs publisher. Ask someone else and you'll probably get a very different answer, but the reasons that I do things the way that I do are based on what I've learned from the Citation bot group and Ohconfucious's style. Some of the main points that I consider are described here an an overly-simplistic way (if you'd like further clarification, just ask):
 * There's a relationship between work and publisher. Consider old media and new media. Websites are not always shown with italics. One thing you can do to help make a decision is to check our own article on a subject to see whether it should be italicized or not. Check whether "italic title" has been applied to the article.
 * Then there's the "human readable" component. I replace "www.cia.gov" with "Central Intelligence Agency"
 * There's a ton more to say about this, of course, but those are just a few of the things that I work on. Dawnseeker2000  23:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

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Sheringham Lifeboat Station
@Dawnseeker2000

Hi.

Please can you tell me the reason for your update.? Is it something I should be doing?

MartinOjsyork (talk) 05:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've been working on ensuring that date formatting is consistent in our articles by using the tools that are available. I'm working on articles from August 2013 right now and that's why you saw my change. It's kind of a niche thing to do, but you're welcome to use any of the tools that are available. You can check out User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js. If you have any questions let me know. Dawnseeker2000  04:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dawnseeker2000
 * I'm still not clear with this, and I find MOS topics don't explain what I need.
 * So in easy terms, please tell me why you would change...
 * Use dmy dates|date=August 2013, to, Use dmy dates|date=June 2024
 * but leave..
 * Use British English|date=August 2013
 * MartinOjsyork (talk) 16:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't work on English variety formatting. I only work on date formatting by using groups of scripts that help semi-automate the process. The date is changed whenever they are checked to be consistent as described at Use dmy dates Dawnseeker2000  20:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't work on English variety formatting. I only work on date formatting by using groups of scripts that help semi-automate the process. The date is changed whenever they are checked to be consistent as described at Use dmy dates Dawnseeker2000  20:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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