User talk:Dayjen.wiki

Help request
Hello Cabayi,

Thanks indeed for your help. I appreciate it. It is my mistake that I went down that road of trying to change the username to include the university name and faculty which I thought would add clarity, but I now better understand the Wikipedia rules.

Regarding McGill University Faculty of Medicine, I am not really doing any real writing here, just making small edits - that is changing factual information. The former name of the Faculty (Faculty of Medicine) (and the web url) needs to be updated on all pages where it appears to the new name: "Faculty of Medicine and Health Sciences". The change occurred over a half year ago. Evidently if the McGill University Faculty of Medicine article has its special group of reviewers and editors, they are not aware of this important change, which is frustrating. I have been tasked with updating the outdated title of the article by the Communications Office of the Faculty. It is for this reason only that I created a Wikipedia account, as besides the small edits within the article content to reflect the new Faculty name and structure, crucially, we will have to do a Move Page to change the TITLE. This is the main thing we need to do (for the English and French articles).

To sum up, if you could guide me on the steps I have to take to rename the TITLE of the article, in English and French to the new Faculty name, I would appreciate it. I just want to get the changes done, and then quietly withdraw from this Wikipedia editing role.

Thank you! Dayjen.wiki (talk) 13:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * See WP:MOVING for renaming articles. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  &#124; 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use&#32; on reply) 13:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Hello, Dayjen.wiki, and welcome to Wikipedia!&#32;Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was McGill University Faculty of Medicine, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article.&#32;Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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June 2021
Hello Dayjen.wiki. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to McGill University Faculty of Medicine, gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

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Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Dayjen.wiki. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:52, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello Justlettersandnumbers, Much appreciated for your response. However, I am not being paid for these edits - I (perhaps mistakenly) offered to make the factual updates to the Faculty name in the Wikipedia entry as no one has done anything about it for a half year. I have no interest in making any other Wikipedia edits, and only reluctantly acquired a login, because the TITLE of the page will naturally need to change as well due to the name change, and thus the page will need to be moved. I even noted a verifiable source for the change in the Faculty name: https://reporter.mcgill.ca/mcgills-founding-faculty-gets-a-new-name/ (although I did not do this for the first few edits I made). No one "benefits" due to this edit - it is a simple statement of fact that the "Faculty of Medicine" has become the "Faculty of Medicine and Health Sciences" and that the website url has also changed accordingly. So although I understand Wikipedia's general stance and rules, it seems like an inordinate amount of time, energy and patience is needed to make a very straightforward and simple update. Thank you. Dayjen.wiki (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * So, Dayjen.wiki, you requested a username change to Mcgill_fmhs "for managing the faculty's Wikipedia pages", and now you're telling us that you have never received, and do not ever expect to receive, any payment or other financial reward from any part of the university or any body associated with it? Please explain the nature of your connection then. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:20, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't remember writing that - but I guess I might have when I requested the account. I didn't want to get too involved, and at that point didn't understand Wikipedia's rules that you can't create a generic/company account. I had thought by request something generic like "McGill_FMHS", I would add clarity to the site visitor regarding who has updated the page. I now understand that is not allowed. I work for McGill University but I am a developer. I pointed out to the Communications Team the issue with the Faculty name not being updated on Wikipedia (which is pulled by Google, making Google search results also inaccurate). As no one else has had the desire or technical skill to undertake the task of updating the Faculty name on the Wikipedia site, I offered to do so. My boss was happy that I offered to do so, but that does not mean I am receiving financial remuneration for taking on the task as I am not. Because the page title needs to be changed, I discovered this REQUIRED the creation of a Wikipedia account - I would have never requested an account otherwise. My salary is paid by McGill University, and if my doing these updates on my own time (non-paid) still constitutes a conflict of interest within the Wikipedia world, I can understand that I should declare my status; but in my interpretation, I would be declaring falsely. What I don't understand is that all other edits to the page by non-account holder Wikipedia visitors (i.e. the general public, who are also likely employed by McGill University if they are updating pages related to the university) are not even contested, so why so vehemently contest changes by account holders? (i.e. ultimately why does one need a Wikipedia account, when one can just update the page anonymously, providing any citation/explanation for a change?) Dayjen.wiki (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2021 (UTC)