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11th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment
No problem at all! I'll look over the article this afternoon. Best, -- twelsht (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong article! I cleaned up a few passages that confused me, at least upon the first reading. One that stands out is the passage concerning the battle between the USS Monitor and CSS Virginia. Please read this passage carefully to make sure that I didn't insert inaccuracies while revising it. Most of the changes were kind of picky. Despite the fact that almost everyone knows Abraham Lincoln, I added "U.S. President" to the first reference. I didn't focus as much on MOS issues. One issue that's always confused me is, when to highlight dates. I tend to highlight complete dates, so I thought I'd mention that a number of partial dates were highlighted, e.g., "May 6," which may be quite acceptable. If you wanted to add some color to the piece, you might include an example of the regiment's "foul" behavior when its members were incarcerated by the Confederates. (Note: An editor who reviewed Youngstown Ohio Works made a similar recommendation, which led me to include two sentences about a riot that broke out during a game in Niles.) Perhaps it would be helpful to link the New York City Draft Riots more closely to Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. This seems important, given that many New Yorkers (especially immigrants) became less supportive of the war when they concluded that it was not being waged exclusively to preserve the Union. Just a thought: Did this altered mood influence the decline of regiments like the 11th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment? If your sources say so, I would mention this. Overall, this article is quite good, well organized, and comprehensive. I hope this helps! Best, -- twelsht (talk) 19:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Daysleeper, The piece is close to GA quality right now--if it's not already there. It could be improved a bit by drawing a connection between the regiment's declining fortunes and growing opposition to the war among New York City's immigrants, especially recent arrivals from Ireland and Germany. Howard Zinn, in A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES, 1492-PRESENT, describes how the combined effect of conscription and the Emancipation Proclamation soured the city's immigrants on the war and sparked the infamous Draft Riots. I strongly suspect that you'll find a source that connects the growth of anti-war sentiment in New York City to the precipitous decline of its volunteer regiments. Beyond that, you might mention other figures in the regiment who were conspicuous for their bravery. Ellsworth, as the founder of the regiment, should be featured prominently, and he is. The piece would benefit, however, from references to other officers and soldiers. What contributions did they make?


 * The only article I'm considering for a peer review is Jimmy McAleer, a biography of a baseball figure with Youngstown roots. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at it, I'd certainly appreciate it! Thanks, again, for nominating (and supporting) Youngstown Ohio Works! Best, -- twelsht (talk) 21:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Peninsula Campaign
I'm curious about your placement of the image of McClellan and Johnson for this article. I moved it so that it was inline with the text. Your placement placed it above the text, dangling alone, at a screen resolution of 1024x768px. You are within your right to move it, but I am curious as to why you chose to place it above the text. Can you explain? I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance! --Daysleeper47 (talk) 19:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the reason I moved it (as I explained in the editing summary) was that I had a little policy that wanted to ensure the info box was flush with the upper right-hand corner of the screen. I think this has a superior visual appearance. However, coincidentally, someone just pointed out to me last night that there is a Wikipedia policy requiring the disambiguation text to precede the box inside the source file, because people using assistive technology have problems reading the arrangement I prefer. So I will have to abandon my self derived policy. Hal Jespersen (talk) 20:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Jimmy McAleer
Hi Daysleeper, Jayron32 recommended that I request additional copy editing for this article to prepare it for the FAC. If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if you would nominate this article for FA status after the peer review closes. If I can be of assistance with any of your articles, please don't hesitate to ask! Thanks, again, -- twelsht (talk) 00:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Possible reference (11th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment)
Below is a passage from Howard Zinn's social history of the US that might be useful for your article. The decline of the volunteer units certainly reflected growing opposition to--or at least, disillusionment with--the war effort. Zinn describes an environment in which volunteer recruitment became increasingly untenable. Here goes:


 * "White workers of the North were not enthusiastic about a war which seemed to be fought for the black slave, or for the capitalist, or for anyone but them. They worked in semislave conditions themselves. They thought the war was profiting the new class of millionaires. They saw defective guns sold to the army by contractors, sand sold as sugar, rye sold as coffee, shop sweepings made into clothing and blankets, paper-soled shoes produced for soldiers at the front, navy ships made of rotting timbers, soldiers' uniforms that fell apart in the rain.


 * "The Irish working people of New York, recent immigrants, poor, looked upon with contempt by native Americans, could hardly find sympathy for the black population of the city who competed with them for jobs as longshoremen, barbers, waiters, domestic servants. Blacks, pushed out of these jobs, often were used to break strikes. Then came the war, the draft, the chance of death. And the Conscription Act of 1863 provided that the rich could avoid military service; they could pay $300 or pay a substitute."


 * Zinn, Howard (1999). A People's History of the United States, 1492-Present. New York: HarperCollins, p. 235.

If this turns out to be useful, you shouldn't need to include the whole passage. Partial quotes are almost always preferable to block quotes. You might even consider paraphrasing this information and adding references.

I hope this helps. Best, -- twelsht (talk) 17:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

FAC for Jimmy McAleer
In line with Jayron32's recommendation, I sent this article directly to the FAC. Any comments or recommendations would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, -- twelsht (talk) 19:12, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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 * Duly noted. I took care of it. Thanks, --Daysleeper47 (talk) 17:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Fire test
About your note: Unreferenced means the article content doesn't cite sources, just what do you think the fire test pictures are about from Underwriters Laboratories and Firestop and the time/temperature curves in Fire-resistance rating? Do you think that's doodling or do you actually know anything about the topic? I don't see how anyone could possibly question the weight of painfully obvious evidence on the subject matter. Also, instead of just tagging, what makes it so difficult for you to actually fix the thing, like look it up right here on Wiki and outside of wiki? --Achim (talk) 04:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The answer to your response is on my talk page. --Achim (talk) 01:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Daysleeper, as User:Ahering@cogeco.ca used my name in justifying his position on this issue, just so you know, he has a history of this kind of behavior. He knows a lot about the stuff he writes about, but after a lot of tries at educating him about proper WP intent and protocols, he still writes unreferenced articles that are not in accordance with WP:NPOV, WP:NOT#OR, WP:SOAP, WP:NOT#MANUAL. Additionally, he can be rude and will personally attack anyone who disagrees with his edits. As my personal expertise overlaps some of the areas in which he edits, I can tell you he is often correct in his technical knowledge when he sticks to objective issues (as oppposed to personal essays), but he continues to advocate that this personal knowledge is more important than proper WP protocols. Good luck. Fireproeng (talk) 02:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

NYC FD
Yeah, indeed. I was pleased to find a couple of emails from him on my return calling me a prick, a facist, intolerant, a damn Nazi, infantile, and an embarassment to my country. Phew. I think he covered it all didn't he? Anyway, I blocked his other IP this morning for three months so I guess in early April we'll have to keep our eyes peeled again! Happy New Year to you too by the way, hope you're well. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Youngstown/Youngstown State tag reversion
I understand what you were saying, and generally I agree with you. But I just thought that the first mention of Youngstown State University was not in the best of places for someone who, while on the page for Youngstown, was hoping to find a link to Youngstown State. To me, it didn't make sense that the first mention of Youngstown State in the "Education" section (where I felt most people looking or a link to the university on that page would go) was not linked. Dcs315 (talk) 03:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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The Wire
The ANI has discussed the spoiler issue and it appears you were right all along. Please accept my apologies. I've left a couple of comments over on Talk: The Wire (TV series) and the WP:ANI discussion. I would ask that if you add plot information to The Wire articles you use the cite episode template to show which episode the details come from. I'd love some help trying to keep up to date as the new season airs if you are interested in contributing further.--Opark 77 (talk) 14:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review
Just in case you hadn't realised, an article you nominated for GA, 11th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment has been reviewed and is on hold awaiting your response. The problems are largely cosmetic and shouldn't take too long to clear up. Nice work--Jackyd101 (talk) 21:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to ask whether you were coming back to this, but I checked your contributions first to see if you were active and spotted the note you left with SandyGeorgia. If you need more than the proscribed seven days then just let me know and I'll happily extend the deadline. All the best.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Extra time is no problem at all, its on my watchlist, so I'll see when you come back to it. Let me know when you feel its ready.--Jackyd101 (talk) 17:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, after reviewing the edits made to the article today, I am happy to pass it for GA. It is much improved and I also like the short article you created on the MoH recipient. I have left more detailed notes on the article's talk page. Congratulations.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I have grouped the sources you have used below according to suitability. The ones in the acceptable section all appear to be websites from reputable historical organisations or the work of reputable academics. The ones in the lower section I was unsure about. I suggest attempting to identify the authors and establishing their academic credentials or those of their parent organisation to work out whether they are acceptable at FAC.
 * Acceptable
 * All book sources
 * Anything from the New York State Military Museum
 * Anything from the US Army Center of Military History
 * Smithsonian
 * The Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History seems to be a reputable organisation.
 * (At first glance this seems to have been written by a reputable academic)


 * Of unclear provenance
 * (Who wrote this? Do they or their organisation have any academic pedigree?)
 * (This appears to be a reproduction of a reliable website somewhere else, so the reference would do better to link there.)
 * (This seems to be reproduced source material, perhaps try to find information on the originals and use those. This may be acceptable at FAC, I am not sure.)
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 * I took care of this issue. --Daysleeper47 (talk) 14:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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List of people from Youngstown, Ohio
Daysleeper47 wrote: ''Thanks for your edit to this article, but I wanted to make you aware that you added Carl and Bo to the "Arts and Entertainment" subsection. We already had Bo in the "Sports" subsection. I added your information for Carl to the appropriate location. Regards, '' D'oh! Thanks for the correction. Fjbfour (talk) 18:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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 * I corrected this. --Daysleeper47 (talk) 22:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Gerald F. DeConto‎
Feel free to add back any edits that you think are appropriate. I was reverting the work of indefinitely-banned, aka David Jason Silver. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Stephanie Herseth Sandlin
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 * Gabrielle Giffords is kind of cute too. Sorry... I'll stop now.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Youngstown Sheet and Tube
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Mumbai Fire Brigade
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Edith Cavell comment
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Peer review/11th New York Volunteer Infantry Regiment/archive2‎
Hey Daysleeper, I've added some comments at the peer review as you requested. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I've been away on business and my iBook died on me while I was away so no internet... Anyway, let me know if I can help with anything. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

14th Brooklyn Page
Hey Can you take a look at my page 14th Brooklyn let me know what I should do, i want to get it recognized as well. And would like to know what kind of changes and and how to get ratings for it. Thanks man! I also commented on your 11th New York Fire Zouaves Page! Top notch my friend! -Kbuddha420 (talk) 4:49, 28 March 2008

Got your message on my talk page. I have also begun work on it again! Looking forward to getting this done with you!- Kbuddha420 (talk) 4:52, 28 March 2008

Little Help
Hey Daysleeper,

If you have the time could you look over User:Stepshep/WPOHCAT and see if I missed anything not Ohio related. This cat is for Reedy who is gonna run a WP:OH tagging bot soon. Thanks! §tepshep  •   ¡Talk to me!  22:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I went ahead and will hand tag these articles wit some AWB magic. §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  23:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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Youngstown, Ohio comment deletion
What comment did I make did you deem not constructive? I do not make unconstructive comments. I happen to know a lot about Youngstown, as my family has history there beginning in 1906. Perhaps your deletion was biased or unconstructive. 129.10.129.81 (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Craig Hollywood
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Reply to your reply to my supposed unconstructive addition to Youngstown, Ohio
You claim that Israel was not a state during the 20th century, so you deleted in favor of "the countries of...Palestine." I agree that the state of Israel was not in existance then. However, you are also mistaken because there was no country of Palestine then either. The land was referred to as "the British Mandate of Palestine." It was not a country, rather a British colony. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.10.129.81 (talk) 17:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

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Los Angeles Fire Department Museum and Memorial
Hi. I noticed you rated the above article as a stub today. It is actually a 10,000 byte article with more than ten separate sources, all referenced by in-line citations. I think your designation of the article was in error and ask you to take another look. Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for re-evaluating.Cbl62 (talk) 23:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)