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 * Halló dab! Was hällst Du von dieser Version der "Egils Saga"?
 * Hat es einen Grund, warum die Artikel unter wikisource:Category:Íslenska keine Sonderzeichen in den Titel haben? Gruß [[    :Gangleri|Gangleri | T | [ Th]]] 04:01, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)


 * Wow! Das und alle dazugehörenden Artikel sind stark! Hoffe Du hast Die Zeit mehr PD-Material einzubringen. Herzlichen Glückwunsch zur Nominierung als Administrator!
 * Habe soeben Talk:Norse saga#Characters "&#490;" == >& # 4 9 0 ;< and "&#491;" == >& # 4 9 1 ;< erstellt. Gruß aus München. [[   :Gangleri|Gangleri | T | [ Th]]] 20:25, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)

Triskelion
Though I toned down your connection of interlocked spirals and the triskele, I added a reference to Newgrange. I hope you approve. --Wetman 21:05, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Halló dab! Bezüglich Unicode möchte ich Dich auf Talk:Runic alphabet und User:Gangleri/tests/Unicode ISO 8859-1/Runes aufmerksam machen. Man sollte eigentlich eine Aufstellung über die Projekte und Themen einerseits und die benötigten Zeichensätze andererseits machen / vorfinden können. Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob ich bei Thanks (SAMPA Lautschrift) alles richtig sehen kann. Nachfolgende Zeichen auf Deiner Benutzerseite kann ich z.B. nicht sehen:
 * &#501; &#7729;
 * &#7771; &#7735; &#7747; &#x1e47; &#x1e45; &#7693; &#7789; &#7779;
 * &#702; &#703; &#487; &#7717; &#7830; &#7695; &#7791; &#7827;
 * Bist Du ein Freund von de:Reenactment? Gruß aus München, Gangleri | [ Th] | T 16:56, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC)
 * Siehe history Talk:Runic_alphabet zu Unicode und Sonderzeichen. Gruß Gangleri | [ Th] | T 05:44, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. I believe this is my first promotion of a Viking. A Norse of a Different Color!

You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 16:12, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Congratulations. Well deserved. Filiocht 16:18, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on your promotion. Even though I did not support, I was hoping that you would be promoted. I just hope you realize that it is nothing personal. I plan to be looking over the rash of recent nominations and opposing or standing neutral on any that I don't think have experience in the community area of Wikipedia. Also, I hope to see more of you in that arena. You seem like you would be a helpful voice of reason for the betterment of the project. Congrats again. Skyler1534 17:14, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)


 * thank you all kindly! dab 10:25, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Guten Tag
Danke für Ihre große Arbeit über Artikel über Mesopotamia! Aber ich habe einen Antrag. Konnten Sie Redigierenzusammenfassungen bitte einschließen? "Added cat" oder "+category" würde genug sein. (Und ich entschuldige mich für meinen schlechten Deutschen.) Vielen Dank,   – Quadell (talk) (help)   17:55, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * danke & entschuldigung! dab 18:29, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Deletion tags
Nice to see that you're helping to clear of old debates from vfd, could I ask that you use the proper mode of archiving though? At the top should be followed by the result of the debate, at the bottom should be. Simply adding "deleted it" to the bottom isn't enough, I'm afraid. -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 18:05, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * terribly sorry dab 18:29, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * But please do carry on archiving the old discussions whenever you like - that page does need some hard graft! Remember to archive discssions as Archived deletion debates btw. -- Graham  &#9786; | Talk 19:00, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Vanunu
Thanks for your action on the Vanunu page- Xed 16:44, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Vanunu page
I'm not sure how to advise you here. I did something similar to you a couple of weeks ago, reverting to the second-last version before protecting, and was taken before the Arbitration Committee and censured, essentially because it "violates policy", and escaped further action only because my own action was not "part of a pattern". If you want to stay squeaky clean, and not be seen as developing such a "pattern", you might want to return to the last version before protection so as not to be seen to be taking sides. As for me, I don't know which version is "the right one", and I'm not taking sides, so I won't be taking any further action. Jayjg 19:00, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I have no doubt your revert was in good faith, please don't think I was suggesting otherwise. However, I also protected in good faith in a similar way, and did get my wrist slapped.  It was an unpleasant lesson for me. Jayjg 04:06, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * "I did something similar to you a couple of weeks ago, reverting to the second-last version before protecting, and was taken before the Arbitration Committee and censured"
 * "If you want to stay squeaky clean, and not be seen as developing such a "pattern", you might want to return to the last version before protection so as not to be seen to be taking sides"
 * "It was an unpleasant lesson for me"
 * How fascinating Jayjg. No one is censuring Dbachmann. Stop your silly scaremongering - Xed 04:36, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * look, I may have done something dodgy, even though in good faith. And if I get away with it, that doesn't mean Jayjig isn't right. I honestly don't know if I did the right thing. Had I seen the RFP discussion first (rather than the VIP note), I would probably not have acted. I don't know whether Vanunu was "arrested" or "kidnapped" either, you'll have to figure it out on Talk. dab 08:04, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing your wish to delete Kingdom of Marduk
This is not good style, mister!
 * the above refers to this edit. dab 20:05, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate your vote on my RFA. As of today, I'm an admin. Joyous 00:50, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

History of the Finno-Ugric languages
A debate about the validity of Finno-Ugric seems to be going on on Talk:Finno-Ugric language. Your comments, given your linguistic background, would be welcome. - Mustafaa 20:52, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Your comments on Shri Rudram
Thanks for your comments. I don't know Sanskrit so I don't know if your interpretation of Rudra is not in the form of Vishnu is correct. This web site states the general interpretation. http://www.mypurohith.com/Rituals/Namakam7.asp; "Shipistaya cha namah = To the form of Vishnu." you may want to discuss with other scholars of Sanskrit to hear their interpretations. I have presented both points of view in the article. There is NO need to change the article. We will keep it as it is as different people will have different interpretations of the same Sanskrit term. I just wanted to point that out to you. For example, Adi Sankara, an Advaitain interpreted the name Shiva in Vishnu sahsranama as indicating that Vishnu and Shiva are the same. His commentary stated, "It is Vishnu alone that is praised by worship of Shiva." However, the Vaishnavite commentator, Parasa Bhattar, a follower of Ramanuja interpreted the name Shiva in Vishnu sahasranama merely mean a quality or attribute of Vishnu. Raj2004

Good morning, Dab Here is a pdf of the Sanskrit text of rudram. http://www.sanskrit.bhaarat.com/The_Document_Project/doc_9_pdf.html Please go down and click rudram (praise) and chamakam. Please read it and read the text meaning. Commentators, including from divine life society have translated it as Rudra being in the form of Vishn. http://swami-krishnananda.org/invoc/in_sata.html so I am not sure if your interpratation, for debate's sake is correct. I can't read Sanskrit so I am relying on translations and commentaries. However, every commentator (Ramakrishna mission, Divine Life society, numerous web sites) that I have read have stated Rudra in the form of Vishnu.

I have not found any commentator who has supported your interpretation. If there is a commentator who support your view, that would be a great source to cite in Shri Rudram to make the article stronger.

Thanks again for all your help and comments. Raj2004 November 17, 2004

Dab, if the link doesn't work, here is another link to rudram on this web site: most comprehensive site: http://www.shaivam.org/ssk.htm (has the pdf file.) http://www.geocities.com/nayanmars/Documents.html Here's the pdf file: http://www.geocities.com/nayanmars/rudram_etc_Sanskrit.pdf Raj2004

I haven't seen a complete pdf file but these two sites have transliterations of Rudram: http://www.puja.net/Pages/YagyaGroup/Pages/Events/Shivaratri03/rudra_translation.htm http://www.shaivam.org/ssrudram.html http://astrojyoti.com/srirudram.htm and http://www.mypurohith.com/Rituals/Namakam7.asp I don't know which one has the standard transliteration of both rudram and camakam. Raj2004

Thanks for all your help, Dab By the way, how do you get your time date stamped as you did? Raj2004 Thanks. This seems to be the Vishnu source in the vishnuji web siteL Namo giri shaya cha sipivishtaya cha

Raj2004Raj2004 13:30, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Pali
Mich dafür entschuldigend, Dich als linguistische Wikipedia-Feuerwehr zu missbrauchen, aber kannst Du kurz de:Pali unds de:Diskussion:Pali überfliegen? Ist Pali Maghadi? Ist der ganze Artikel Quatsch? Oder Copyvio? --Pjacobi 22:48, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Editing "Topics in Hinduism
Dab, if you know, how does one edit topics in Hinduism? I want to add Ramanuja to the Gurus and saints? Thanks for your help. Raj2004 15:24, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Raj2004 15:48, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cipivista, epithet of Vishnu in Sri Rudram
Dab, according to your English translation, Translation (Arthur Berriedale Keith, 1914), the following verses are translated as: Homage to Bhava and to Rudra. Homage to Çarva and to the lord of cattle. Homage to the blue-necked one, and to the white-throated. Homage to the wearer of braids, and to him of shaven hair. Homage to him of a thousand eyes, and to him of a hundred bows. Homage to him who haunteth the mountains, and to Çipivista.

I googled and It apppears that Cipvista is an epithet of Vishnu. The following line states: "broken, they should sing verses addressed to Visnu and containing the epithet Çipivista." taken from http://www.ishwar.com/hinduism/holy_yajur_veda/book07/book07_05.html so perhaps Swami's interpretation is correct. There may be typos in transliterated documents. Raj2004 22:29, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dab, I stand corrected. There are many interpetations of the verse as one would expect with a 3000 year old text. This is what I have put in the Sri Rudram article. You can modify the article if needed.

Swami Amritananda, of the Ramakrishna Mission and many others state one common interpretation of one of the verses is the view that Rudra is associated with Vishnu arises in the invocation namas [...] shipivishtaya. However, he has also cited other ancient commentators who have stated that line could mean : 1) one who resides in the place abounding in devadaru trees; or 2) one who is in the form of the sun; or one who has entered into the beings as inner controller." (his translation of Sri Rudram and Purushasuktam, pgs. 66-67.) The respected swami has cited commentaries of Sayana, Bhatta Bhaskara, Vishnu Suri, Abhinava Sankara, Skanda Swami, and Ahobala in the writing of his work.

Raj2004 01:37, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Your comments about Sri Rudram
Dab, that's fine by me. You can export the text if you have copyright concerns. I don't think there is any copyright violation under the fair use doctrine which allows you to copy text if you are commentating or criticing it. It's fine by me if you think the text is too long and you want to export. I do agree with you that the Vedantic interpretation is the most commoly cited. Raj2004 16:44, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dab, thanks. I believe chamakam is in the seventh subchapter. Raj2004 17:12, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dab, thanks for your help. I think the article looks great! Raj2004 17:18, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Shar-kali-sharri et al
I noticed that you moved Shar-kali-sharri to capitalized Shar-Kali-Sharri. Although consistency in cases like these is difficult, practice in English – judging from Hallo & Simpson, The Ancient Near East (1971) and a couple of other handbooks I have easily available – seems to be to only capitalize those parts of Akkadian personal names which are (usually divine) names in themselves. Thus Shar-kali-sharri and Samsu-iluna on the one hand, but Lipit-Ishtar and Naram-Sin on the other. (And, BTW, there is a duplicate Naram-sin, which can and should be deleted.) / up+land 15:58, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply! Of course you were right in making Naram-sin a redirect to Naram-Sin, rather than deleting it. I'm interested in an ANE project, but I'm not sure how much I will participate; right now I'm busy with other things, so I mostly just add odds and ends on Swedish topics on Wikipedia. / up+land 20:53, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Race
I didn't mean to single you out though I know I did, and am sorry if I was out of line. If the information you bring up is not in the article I hope you will put it in., Slrubenstein

I saw your comment: "the 'gapped' branch in the image should be 20 times the length of the inter-human branches to allow an objective quantitative idea of 'race' vs. 'species'" and agree completely. Patrick0Moran 152.17.115.182 21:42, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ANE Project
Hi Dieter, I saw your note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ancient Egypt about WikiProject Ancient Near East, & would have responded sooner had you left a note on my Talk page. (I have been trying to work on this very area, but my efforts are more distinguished by an abundance of enthusiasm, rather than time or actual output.)

Your contribution Chronology of the Ancient Orient is close to what I would like to see at Chronology of Babylonia and Assyria (which I believe Chronological systems of Babylonia and Assyria is a duplicate of), but you make one statement there that I would disagree with. You wrote: "Starting from this date, the dates of the reigns of the Assyrian kings can be established to the precision of a year up to 883 BC"; however, if my research is correct, we have a reliable list of limmu or year names for ancient Assyria that reaches as early as 911 BC. Has more recent research brought doubt on the almost 30 years between these 2 dates? -- llywrch 00:14, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Indus script
Oh, sorry about the machete, dab. It was the first time I marked something for copyvio. Should I have reverted to an early version? The instructions for handling copyvio were a little unclear to me. func (talk) 14:05, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Spelling

 * ''hi Philip — please try to stay on topic. Inquire about my native tongue on my Talk page, if you must (I dare you to show from my contributions, rather than from personal information I choose to put on my User page, that my command of the English language is short of the standard that may be expected of native speakers; and I am speaking of written English, not the chatroom slang some natives find appropriate to leave behind for others to correct). As for "squiggles scare off the uneducated". Well, if I should go to de:, maybe you should go to simple:? Because you will also need to argue against the use of English words that are unlikely to be understood by highschool kids (assuming they are unwilling to look them up in a dictionary). Having vented that, I do think we can reach a proposal, c.f. my reply on the discussion page. dab 15:27, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Quite the opposite. Your use of English is far far better than many native English speakers. It is not that foreign squiggles scare off native speakers it is that native speakers do not as a rule use them and most don't know that they are ever used in English text. It not that this media should not educate them, it is about accessibility. What I am saying is try to imagine a world where one never hears or reads a forign word, as a citizen of Switzerland that must be a very big leap for you to make. The point I am making on the main pages is that you are arguing a policy for English speaking people about English without what seems to me an understanding of how most English speaking people view the world.

Have a look at the first version of National Liberation Front of Angola in which you will see that I use forign squiggles where I think they are appropriate, but I also include versions without for people who do not know the Portugese name. (I wrote it as a stub for the mercenary page because it is very relevent to the current debate about unlawful combatants as it was the last time that British and American mercenaries as unlawful combatants were executed and they had been working for the FNLA). BTW I have no objections to the current version which shows the names in Portugeese and English and the acronym FNLA as it follows the rules I am suggesting Philip Baird Shearer 15:55, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

vandalism template
It's a great idea -- but can't work right now, because there's a limit of 5 expansions per template per page. I think you're the third person I've seen try to simplify the vandalism-in-progress process by writing that template. Anyway, it's a deliberate limit in the wiki program (to prevent vandalism), that will be removed one of these days, but not yet. --jpgordon{gab} 01:37, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

A quick note to say thanks


I just wanted to drop you a quick note to thank you for your support in my request for adminship. It was certainly a wild ride, and I really appreciate you taking some time out to contribute. ClockworkSoul 16:30, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * You were a rarely obvious candidate. Nice username. cheers, dab 16:35, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * That's a very kind thing of you to say, Dab. Thanks again! ClockworkSoul 16:38, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Islam from Albernui's talk page
I was not aware of Lance6wins' history of partisan disputes, and my support for deletion of the passage in question was based entirely on my judgement of the merit of that passage. dab 19:34, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Which indeed is the only valid basis for deciding the issue: Let each passage stand or be deleted upon its own merits.

You may wish to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RFAR#Alberuni Lance6Wins 20:22, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree with Lance6Wins that edits shouldn't be judged on the basis of the editor's known bias or POV; each edit should be judged on its own merits. However, it appears that in some cases, editors have been found to be so incorrigibly biased that they are banned from editing certain subjects. Lance6Wins is one of those editors. He is banned from articles dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Maybe Islam should be included in that category. Requests_for_arbitration/Lance6wins: "Any Wikipedia administrator may ban Lance6wins from Wikipedia for a short period (a day or up to a week for repeat offenses) if it is discovered that he has edited articles which relate to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Accepted 6-0 " --Alberuni 21:08, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Puzzled
It seems that many times when you have something to say to me via the talk page for Race you exhibit some degree of antagonism. As far as I know, I have yet to say anything nasty about you. So what did I do wrong? P0M 23:42, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

VfD Notice
Just thought you might be interested to know I nominated Chronological systems of Babylonia and Assyria for VfD. Much of what's there is obsolete, & should be replaced by your article Chronology of the Ancient Orient. (At worst, it ought to let people know what you were planning with WikiProject Ancient Near East, & get some input.) I also made some changes at Chronology of the Ancient Orient, please have a look & ofer some feedabck. -- llywrch 04:10, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)