User talk:Dcheagle/Archive 13

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, November 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, December 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022
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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: May 2022
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New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.26, September 2021), the backlog was 'only' just over 6,000 articles. In the past six months, the backlog has reached nearly 16,000, a staggering level not seen in several years. A very small number of users had been doing the vast majority of the reviews. Due to "burn-out", we have recently lost most of this effort. Furthermore, several reviewers have been stripped of the user right for abuse of privilege and the articles they patrolled were put back in the queue.

Several discussions on the state of the process have taken place on the talk page, but there has been no action to make any changes. The project also lacks coordination since the "position" is vacant.

In the last 30 days, only 100 reviewers have made more than 8 patrols and only 50 have averaged one review a day. There are currently Special:ListUsers/patroller New Page Reviewers, but about a third have not had any activity in the past month. All administrators have this permission, but only about a dozen significantly contribute to NPP.

This means we have an active pool of about 450 to address the backlog. We cannot rely on a few to do most of the work as that inevitably leads to burnout. A fairly experienced reviewer can usually do a review in a few minutes. If every active reviewer would patrol just one article per day, the backlog would very quickly disappear.

If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, do suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.

If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.

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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022
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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello ,

At the time of the last newsletter (No.27, May 2022), the backlog was approaching 16,000, having shot up rapidly from 6,000 over the prior two months. The attention the newsletter brought to the backlog sparked a flurry of activity. There was new discussion on process improvements, efforts to invite new editors to participate in NPP increased and more editors requested the NPP user right so they could help, and most importantly, the number of reviews picked up and the backlog decreased, dipping below 14,000 at the end of May.
 * Backlog status

Since then, the news has not been so good. The backlog is basically flat, hovering around 14,200. I wish I could report the number of reviews done and the number of new articles added to the queue. But the available statistics we have are woefully inadequate. The only real number we have is the net queue size.

In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

While there are more people doing more reviews, many of the ~730 with the NPP right are doing little. Most of the reviews are being done by the top 50 or 100 reviewers. They need your help. We appreciate every review done, but please aim to do one a day (on average, or 30 a month).

A backlog reduction drive, coordinated by buidhe and Zippybonzo, will be held from July 1 to July 31. Sign up here. Barnstars will be awarded.
 * Backlog drive

Many new articles on schools are being created by new users in developing and/or non-English-speaking countries. The authors are probably not even aware of Wikipedia's projects and policy pages. WP:WPSCH/AG has some excellent advice and resources specifically written for these users. Reviewers could consider providing such first-time article creators with a link to it while also mentioning that not all schools pass the GNG and that elementary schools are almost certainly not notable.
 * TIP – New school articles

There is a new template available,, to show the current backlog. You can place it on your user or talk page as a reminder:
 * Misc

There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022
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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: July 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022
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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: August 2022
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New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello ,

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


 * Coordination: and  have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out.  will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.


 * Open letter to the WMF: The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.


 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


 * New reviewers: The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.


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 * If you have noticed a user with a good understanding of Wikipedia notability and deletion, suggest they help the effort by placing on their talk page.
 * If you are no longer very active on Wikipedia or you no longer wish to be part of the New Page Reviewer user group, please consider asking any admin to remove you from the list. This will enable NPP to have a better overview of its performance and what improvements need to be made to the process and its software.
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For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022
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The Signpost: 31 August 2022
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Board of Trustees election
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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CC, December 2022
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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023
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Category:Education in Del City, Oklahoma has been nominated for merging
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The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023
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Women in Red World Contest
Hi. We're into the last five days of the Women in Red World Contest. There's a new bonus prize of $200 worth of books of your choice to win for creating the most new women biographies between 0:00 on the 26th and 23:59 on 30th November. If you've been contributing to the contest, thank you for your support, we've produced over 2000 articles. If you haven't contributed yet, we would appreciate you taking the time to add entries to our articles achievements list by the end of the month. Thank you, and if participating, good luck with the finale!

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
 * There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
 * Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
 * Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello , The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day. won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
 * Backlog
 * 2022 Awards

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from  to  '''

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as and  have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.


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The Signpost: 20 March 2023
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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: March 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 204, April 2023
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New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive
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Question from LuciusCampbell2 (02:55, 25 April 2023)
Hey Dcheagle, I am a high school student in Hong Kong doing a project where I am to edit a Wikipedia article based off my research. I was wondering what form of citations Wikipedia uses. Thanks. --LuciusCampbell2 (talk) 02:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, Welcome to Wikipedia. To answer your question, wikipedia has a helpful guide for beginners which explains citations. Take a look a look that and if you have further questions feel free to ask.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 08:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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Question from BaklavaEnjoyer (01:23, 28 April 2023)
This a real person? --BaklavaEnjoyer (talk) 01:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @BaklavaEnjoyer Very much a real person, how can I help you.-- Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 02:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that was a joke question. I've never seen something like this before and it's impressive! BaklavaEnjoyer (talk) 08:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @BaklavaEnjoyer Thats ok, this is a fairly new thing here on wikipedia. If you every need to ask a question I'm here to answer them.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 23:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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The Signpost: 8 May 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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Question from Sohan Banerjee (08:12, 26 May 2023)
how to be aesthtic --Sohan Banerjee (talk) 08:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023
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Hey I know your interest in OU athletics hence my including you in this discussion. There is a merge request at Talk:David Hall (athlete) you may be interested in.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 21:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

re Oklahoma governor
I would think so too, but I discovered while researching this that in 1926, the OK Supreme Court ruled that a lieutenant governor who succeeds a governor, for any amount of time, is considered, well, governor, and therefore cannot succeed themself. Absent a source saying otherwise, wouldn't this also apply to Nigh in 1963? --Golbez (talk) 04:57, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Note that this rule appears to have expired with the 1966 amendment, but that was just after this. --Golbez (talk) 05:20, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Golbez Not for Nigh's first term, Nigh Succeeded to the Governorship upon the vacancy left by Edmondson who resigned so that his successor in this case Nigh would appoint him to the United States Senate. But this was following the 1962 election during which Henry Bellmon won the general election who would be the next Governor. The OK Supreme court ruling wouldn't apply in this case as Bellmon was to Succeed regardless of who was Governor. If Edmondson has resigned prior to the election and Nigh had succeeded him then Nigh would have been ineligible.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 05:24, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ... Gosh, wow, you're right. The election had already happened. I'm an idiot. --Golbez (talk) 05:26, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Golbez Its all right we all make mistakes we wouldn't be human if we didn't.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 05:39, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

re Nigh: he was sworn in at noon on the 3rd, but from what I can tell, he became governor upon the resignation of his predecessor, which occurred, per source, at 11:59pm on the 2nd. It's possible I'm misunderstanding how the succession works, and/or being pedantic, but from what I can tell, based on the present source, the changeover occurred at 11:59 on the 2nd. --Golbez (talk) 22:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Based on the present source which you provided, Nigh became Governor at Noon on January 3rd 1979 and states nothing about Nigh becoming Governor on Jan 2nd. So we ether go by what your provided source states or find one that explicitly states that the change over took place on Jan 2. I'm willing the assume that the change over happened on the 2nd but your source doesn't say that.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 22:57, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The source says his predecessor resigned at 11:59pm on the 2nd. It also says he would be sworn in at noon on the 3rd. So the questions are, 1) did he become governor at 11:59pm, 2) is it synthesis for me to say he did, and 3) is this really the best source I could find? Let me see if I can dig anything else out of newspapers.com. But my understanding of the law is, that he became governor the moment his predecessor resigned. But, the problem is, that's my understanding, rather than something said explicitly in a source, which would probably make it synthesis. --Golbez (talk) 02:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Golbez Forgot to ping see reply above.


 * OK, I went through every Oklahoma newspaper talking about Nigh and Boren from that time period, and not a single one said anything other than he would be sworn in at noon. Regardless of whether or not I think he might have technically become governor one minute before midnight (and back to that in a moment), that interpretation is clearly not shared by the prevailing wisdom. And even if it was an 11:59 thing, yes I'll be pedantic to myself and point out that probably means his successor become governor the next day. In fact I'm going to make a note to check all the midnight/11:59pm switchovers I've seen in other governors, I might be being way too pedantic about the interpretation. If someone's term ends at 11:59pm, then no it's nonsense to say the next person started serving that same day. They got 60 seconds. That don't qualify. --Golbez (talk) 02:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Golbez Ok so you might be right after all, but I won't know for sure till I get to work to check a book. Found an article on Nigh that talks about this issue and it might mean reworking the table a bit or at least a footnote. Long story short seems Nigh did in fact assume the office on Jan 2nd but took the oath of office on Jan 3rd at noon to serve the five remaining days of Boren's term and then took the oath again the following Monday Jan 8th to start his own out right term for which he was elected to that past November. Which means that Nigh's short stent in 1963 is his first term, his serving the last five days of Boren's term is his second term making his out right elected term his third.--~  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 09:00, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That agrees with my new conclusion, though. Yes, Nigh became governor the moment Boren resigned; however, Boren resigned at 11:59pm, and we're arguing over whether or not we should credit Nigh with less than sixty seconds. I'm fine with rounding up and saying it was a midnight crossover, and the source notes that, and we can finesse the footnote to note that as well. I mean, when they make it a point that it's an 11:59pm crossover, let's just assume they mean the end of the minute, and thus the next governor took office at midnight and there's no issue? :) --Golbez (talk) 13:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Golbez Yea, now the question however is do we list two sets of dates The book I was talking about above states that Nigh Served his second term from Jan 2nd to Jan 8th where he was then swern for his third term. Do we 1. Add the second term dates to the table or 2. Combine the 2nd and third terms and leave a note expanding on the two different terms.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 18:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Does it say he served from the 2nd? Specifically? Or does it just say "11:59pm"? And even if it did, that still puts it in a minority of sources. I don't think we need to mention the 2nd at all; just say took office on the 3rd and note the time in a footnote. I think the article is good as it is right now - Boren left office at 11:59 on the 2nd, and Nigh became governor at some point between 11:59:01 and 12:00:00 - a trivial difference that I don't think even history will fault us for rounding up to midnight. No local press cared, no later sources have cared beyond noting the midnight resignation, so... I think the article's good. --Golbez (talk) 19:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Golbez It just says that he was technically governor at midnight but swarn in Tulsa at noon on the 3rd for the five day term then was swarn in again on the Jan 8th in Oklahoma City for his full four year term.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 22:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Yucca 1980 (21:47, 24 July 2023)
Hello. I would like to ask you a question, about a page I'm editing but it won't let me post it. Yucca 1980 (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Every time I ask the question I get a warning the the comment is abusive or un-constructive. I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I really don't think it is though... Yucca 1980 (talk) 21:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Yucca 1980 May I ask what page your trying to edit and the content that your trying to add or remove so I can understand the issue your are having?  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 23:47, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The page is Robert Cumming (artist). Yucca 1980 (talk) 00:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There is a banner at the top of the article. Yucca 1980 (talk) 00:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to figure out when I have added enough citations to warrant removing it. Yucca 1980 (talk) 00:18, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the the individual replies. Every time I type out the whole problem it tells me I'm being abusive and they could delete my account. I don't understand why though. Yucca 1980 (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Yucca 1980 That's ok, as for the banner. After looking over your edits and your additions of inline citations. There are sufficient citations now to warrent the removal of the banner. There still is a need for further sources but the banner itself can be removed.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 02:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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I am doing an edit on the Wikipedia page on the Samsung SCH-S380C mobile phone. It appears to me that the text for the original entry was copied verbatim from this site, and likely constitutes plagiarism:

-- https://dbpedia.org/page/Samsung_SCH-S380C

What action should an editor take in a case like this?

Howard Curtis --CTYankinTX (talk) 15:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @CTYankinTX Sorry for the slow reply. As to your question. It's not plagiarism, down at the very bottom of the webpage that you linked it states the information was taking from the Wikipedia page in question, so no action is required for plagiarism. There is still however issues with the wiki page, largely the lack of reliable third party sources to back up the information listed in the article. Hope that helps.  Dcheagle   &bull; talk &bull; contribs 08:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dcheagle -- I see your point. I should have scanned to the bottom of the dbpedia page.
 * __________ CTYankinTX (talk) 15:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hy, glad you are my mentor here --Xasmine (talk) 18:52, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


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I have just opened an account on Wikipedia. It says You are my mentor. Could you please clarify how does it work ?

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