User talk:Dcmacnut/Archive2

Historical boundaries
I looked over your table and think you did a great job so far. I hadn't yet thought of how to arrange California's historical boundaries, but now I'll arrange them in tables similar to yours.

I do have one suggestion. If possible, you could arrange the historical seats in order of succession. After a lot of work, I arranged all of California's House districts in the proper order of succession. U.S. Representatives from California in succession order I'll work on a more compact table that shows how each district changed over the years, similar to Image:AlabamaDHist.png. -- Socal gal at heart (talk) 19:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I used "proper order of succession" because I couldn't think of any other title to describe the table.


 * You do have a good point on things like mid-decade redistricting and incumbent-incumbent races. California did have a mid-decade redistricting in the 1970s (which did not result in any incumbent-incumbent races). Redistricting after the 1980 Census resulted in one incumbent-incumbent race, where John H. Rousselot was redistricted into Matthew G. Martinez's district. I looked at the election results in 1980 and 1982 and was able to figure out where to place each incumbent, and also, through process of elimination and referring to district maps, was able to figure out which district Rousselot's successor was in, which I found out to be the 1980s' 37th district.


 * I think in the case of districts being eliminated, I'd look to see if there were any incumbent-incumbent races, and the incumbent who loses, either in the primary or general, could have in the succession box "district eliminated". Just a suggestion.


 * Somebody mentioned in the discussion of California's congressional delegation that we should rearrange the representatives since just listing them by district number creates confusion, since most of the districts' numbers changed with each census. For example, the 36th district in the 1980s was represented by George E. Brown and was based in the San Bernardino area east of L.A. County. In the 1990s, the 36th was moved to the Venice area on the western coast of L.A. County and the representative changed from Brown to Jane Harman. So having a Venice representative "succeed" a San Bernardino representative doesn't make sense, unless the district stretched across L.A. County. That was my motivation to make the table of the evolution of districts.


 * -- Socal gal at heart (talk) 05:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * P.S.: I changed the title of my table of districts and representatives to Evolution of California's congressional districts. Socal gal at heart (talk) 06:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Benton County, Iowa
Greetings! I see you have recently indicated that three townships in Benton County do not actually exist: Belle Plaine, Shellsburg, and Vinton. It would seem that even though the cities and the townships have the same boundaries and population, they do exist as separate governmental entities. For example, the US Census lists these three names (and only these three names) in Benton County both as cities and as county subdivisions; other cities in the county are listed only as cities, not as county subdivisions. If you want to see this, go to the American Factfinder and select "County subdivision" from the drop-down list, then drill down to Benton County, Iowa.

In addition, this is covered under Iowa law, as shown in Iowa Code 2001, Section 359.5, Divisions where city included. This whole thing was discussed a while back, and I can see both sides of the issue to some extent; but the statement that these townships literally do not exist as distinct entities just isn't supported by the data. The cities exist, and the townships exist; city government is different than township government, and they serve different purposes for the population. In these three cases it's just that the boundaries are the same. Omnedon (talk) 13:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It would be OR to place such a thing in the article, but I'd suspect that this law was made in order to get the cities out of townships: by creating a paper township that nobody really even knows about, the city wouldn't have to bother with a functioning township. It would be interesting (although unlikely) to find a source about this.  One final thing: I have never heard of the idea of Ohio paper townships for Cincinnati, Cleveland, or Columbus, although the data would seem to support the official existence of such.  No reason to have articles on such paper townships; I agree that we don't need articles on these ones either.  Nyttend (talk) 01:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry if I weren't clear: that's not what I'm proposing. I would like to see these redirected, but I don't think that we need to mention them in any other articles, and I think that they can be removed from the county templates.  I myself am not sure what should be done with the maps; perhaps they will need to be renamed, at which point they can function as maps of the county with these cities highlighted.  Some of the twelve City of _____ Townships in Iowa contain information that I'd not guess would be on the city pages.  In Benton County, Belle Plaine and Shellsburg have nothing of what I mean, but Vinton has a note about cemeteries: many Iowa township articles include cemeteries, and other features are often listed as well.  I'm not sure where Omnedon gets this information, but what I can find isn't reliable but just because I can't get it doesn't mean anything: for example, when I follow Omnedon's specific directions to get some information online, instead of information, all I get is "this page won't display".  Ask Omnedon to show you where to get this information if you want it.
 * Lastly, as you note, we do need to note that the cities are independent of their townships. Such a note, I think, would be fit in a government or a geography section.  Nyttend (talk) 04:29, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

North Dakota counties
Thank you for your interesting comments. I had not been aware of the histories of Hettinger County or Adams County. I agree with you that it seems to make sense to call 1907 the true date of creation for Adams County. Thanks for all of your research and hard work...let me know if you come across anything else interesting or confusing! --Matthew UND (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

SJP, New Mexico
As you can read in my comments above about Iowa cities, my computer doesn't like the Census pages, so I'm not going to bother trying to look at the links you gave me: I'm going to trust you :-) I wasn't aware that the Census Bureau ever changed CDP names between censuses, let alone that there was somewhere to find out about it.  To me, the case seemed to be one of someone saying "this isn't the name of the town!" and moving the article, even though there was evidence otherwise.  Except for your "2003 atlas" comment (what do you mean by that?), I understand all that you say and agree with it: thanks for being someone who uses the knowledge well!  Nyttend (talk) 04:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohkay Owingeh, New Mexico
Thank you for agreeing with me I bolded the font in Ohkay Owingeh, New Mexico that says the pueblo was previously known as San Juan Pueblo. Nyttend doesn't understand that when you change the name of the Pueblo the CDP that the name of the town changes as well because it is the seat of government. As an EXAMPLE Santa Clara Pueblo is in the Pueblo of Santa Clara. The name pueblo derives from the Spanish term for Town so this would include San Juan Pueblo to merge with Ohkay Owingeh. Diamond Joe Quimby (talk) 03:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Aberdeen micropolitan area sources
I get the demographic information from FactFinder by accessing the 2000 Census data for each county in the defined metropolitan/micropolitan area. For the racial makeup data, it is just a simple process of adding up the numbers in each category and then dividing it by the respective metropolitan/micropolitan area's total population. Using the Aberdeen micropolitan area (Brown & Edmunds County, South Dakota) as an example:

Total number of Whites in the micropolitan area
 * 33,854 Brown County
 * 4,332 in Edmunds County
 * 38,186 Total

38,186 divided by the total micropolitan population 39,827 = 95.88%

For calculating income data, the process is similar:

Per Capita Income
 * $18,464 Brown County
 * $16,149 Edmunds County

$34,613 divided by 2 (the number of counties in the micropolitan area) = $17,307

I get the number of households and families from the county pages on Wikipedia and double-check them on FactFinder. --Acntx (talk) 11:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohio courthouse pictures
Thanks for researching to prove that those pictures are copyright violations. I'm really disappointed to see that they were violations, since they really made the articles look better; this is one of those times that I wish everyone put their personal pictures into public domain! Nyttend (talk) 03:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all of your work identifying pictures and their original sources. I see most of them have been deleted already. I did not have internet access for a day or so (just got back on) and have limited access for the next day. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 23:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to say that I don't know much about OTRS: I virtually never upload images other than my own, which are always PD-self; and the few that I do (for example, Image:RPTS Class of 1887.jpg) are virtually always really old images that are obviously PD-old. Or is that not what you mean?  I'll be happy to help with anything that I know about.  Nyttend (talk) 04:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * All of the courthouse photos from Jm0371 are deleted. I did some more searching and found 21 more copyvios from Flickr (almost all cropped or edited a bit - this is in addition to the 11 already found). One or two I found by changing the search slightly - my general search was "X County Courthouse Ohio". I got tired of searching for variants and deleted the rest of the courthouse .png images (17 in Ohio and one out of state). I did find four or five free courthouse images on Flickr and uploaded them to Commons. If FusionPanda agress to freely license his pictures I will be glad to help - just let me know. The OTRS system is explained at OTRS. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 17:34, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

More suspects from Jm0371
Image:Fairfield county courthouse.jpg Image:Kennedy Center.jpg Image:Hancockcourt.png

Zip Code Tabulation Areas (Census)
I discovered ZIP Code Tabulation Areas (Census) about 2 1/2 years ago, and have been using them ever since. I agree with all of the caveats, but in most cases they will be very close to the boundaries of the ZIP code. I think New Jersey, which is more settled, may have a better correspondence than North Dakota, but as long as you understand the potential discrepancies it's a great option for creating articles. My only issue is that I'd love to be able to extract the same set of demographic data used for census places and census-designated places, which would make the articles look much more like the ones people are accustomed to seeing. Take a look at Harrisonville, New Jersey for a sample that I've created here in the Garden State. Thanks again for the note. Alansohn (talk) 20:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, as you note with those ND communities: if I have a reference for the post office being closed, I don't say that there's a post office, but as ZIP Code implies post office, I'm going to write that unless I see otherwise. Likewise with the ZCTAs: I never say that the community has a certain area or population; if I use ZCTA data, I'll say that the ZCTA for the community's ZIP Code has a certain area and population.  Nyttend backup (talk) 03:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you think
You could possibly go to the Waycross page and word it better. As I have tried to do it but Ny reverted it. And they way he insists on wording it is not appropriate. Swampfire (talk) 20:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)