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Discussion at Talk:Virginia's At-large congressional district#Order & consistency
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North Dakota
A user on Flickr has uploaded heaps and heaps of free pics of the many tiny places in North Dakota. Before I go ahead and start uploading them and adding them to the North Dakota pages, I wanted to get your opinion. I am asking you because I noticed that you've added aerial photos of Tokio, North Dakota and other places. My intention is to replace the aerial photo in the infobox with the color pic of something like this for example. Please let me know on my talk page. Dincher (talk) 02:32, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll go ahead and start working on them. I sorted through many of afiler's photos several years ago and uploaded them. I agree. They can be hard to work with sometimes. Dincher (talk) 20:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Jinmeiyō kanji
Thanks for fixing this. Ulmanor (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Admin
Do you know an admin that can move Reconciliation Act of 2010 to Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010 once the Special Rule is adopted in the House, which by its terms adopts an amendment to the bill that amends the short title? -Rrius (talk) 19:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I should have mentioned that Markles doesn't appear to be online. I'm not sure who else among the usual crowd are admins. -Rrius (talk) 20:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kurykh took care of it. At least now I know some more names for the next time something like this comes up. -Rrius (talk) 01:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Diane Wood
I'm currently involved in a dispute at Diane Wood with a fairly new user. I have attempted to engage the editor at the article talk page and the user's to no avail. Could you talk a look and weigh in? -Rrius (talk) 01:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress/Congressional districts
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Colorado & Illinois Senate races
Are the Colorado & Illinois Senate races special elections? A anon IP user and I have been back-and-forth on 111th United States Congress about this. Please check it out.—Markles 22:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Origins of North Dakota name
Hi. If you can forward a link to Barnes and Wick or something that is more reliable than ePodunk, I'd appreciate it.

What I have been doing lately is adding to the article List of American places named after people. The list, which began as an offshoot of another list, was started in 2007 and originally concentrated on names in California and was, until April 2010, still primarily filled with names from that state. This is hardly representative for a list that implies place names in all of the United States. So I started filling in the list the best that I can. My work since April has raised concerns of some editors, one of whom wrote something in that article's talk page. Another editor wrote to me that someone associated with originating the list should have something that would avoid triggering the orphan tag. The unreferenced tag was reapplied today. Putting in references in the one list article would be too much work. The recommendation for linkage is similar to one that is in another list article, List of state highways in the United States shorter than one mile.

I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time. Anyway, thanks for writing. Ed (talk) 02:52, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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Lincoln Township, Emmons County, North Dakota
Thanks for your help with these township articles! Two questions about Lincoln Township — (1) Your references #3 and #4 are the same; do you know why you included both of them, since they appear right next to each other? (2) Do you know why these townships are dissolving? Nyttend (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * (1) That is probably just a case of one cut-and-paste too many. As far as (2), it's probably a population and governance issue. North Dakota law says any survey township with more than 25 electors can organize, but there's no requirement that you must dissolve if you fall below that level. It takes half of the voters in a township to request a vote on dissolution. Township residents may have multiple reasons. First, they need people willing to serve on the township board. Second, townships are responsible for road maintenance and taxation, and if you dissolve the township that responsibility falls back to the county. So it could be a simple matter of the voters not wanting to be responsible for those costs any more. I don't blame them. Emmons County got hit hard by flooding a few years ago, and a lot of the heavy snowstorms affected townships across North Dakota. Townships were facing deficits in their road maintenance budgets, and many of these extreme rural townships simply can't handle it anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2010 Census shows even more townships having dissolved. But that's just my opinion. I've been hard pressed to find reliable sources giving reasons for the dissolutions. They just "happen."DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  13:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No complaints; I expected original research :-) I'm just surprised: how much maintenance money do you need for dirt roads?  Nyttend (talk) 22:38, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, my apologies for never responding about the unorganised territories. I'd believe it best to follow the Minnesota naming convention (most territories with articles are found in Minnesota), and most articles in Category:Unorganized territories in Minnesota follow the pattern of "TERRITORYNAME, Minnesota".  Only three are different: two that have (unorganized territory) for disambiguation purposes, and one township that has disorganized since the article's creation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyttend (talk • contribs)
 * Thanks for the UT suggestion. That works much better. Aa far as road maintenance, you'd be surprised. Graders are expensive, and it gets worse when half the roads in a township are complexly washed out a by a flood. But a better reason would be that a county with several hundred residents has a better functioning government to handle these kinds of issues than a township of just a few dozen. Thanks again.DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  14:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

SVT: The "Iowa Census Vandal"
Hi. I've found what I currently believe is an anonymous IP editor who has persistently and subtly vandalized over 20 articles, all regarding cities or counties in Iowa. The pattern that is emerging is that this editor changes demographic information, subtly adjusting various percentages of White, Black, Asian, and other ethnic groups. I've written more about it on my talk page and would appreciate any feedback on the situation which you'd care to give. Cheers! -- Bgpaulus (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)



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Thanks
for cleaning up the refs on Thomas A. Shannon, Jr..--达伟 (talk) 19:03, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Clipdesk
Already reverted one vandalism and left a uw-vand4; I'll try to remember to check back. Nyttend (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Kristi Noem
Thank you for your explanation on the Kristi Noem page about the information I posted on the number of S.D. representatives who did not have a college degree. I thought the information was interesting, and though I'm not completely sure I would classify it as trivial I can see your point. I especially appreciate you explaining your position without being condescending or rude.Sodapaps (talk) 17:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, another item to consider is that though she currently has no college degree, she is currently taking college courses with the intent to earn a degree (I presume). Therefore, the statement that she won't have a degree if elected and taking office is simply an unknown variable, since we don't know when she would get a degree, if she would have one by election day, or by January 3, 2011, when new members take office. WP:CRYSTALBALL is designed to weed out such rampant speculation.DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  17:56, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Dan Maffei
You removed what you called "POV" language from the article Dan Maffei in this edit. I have to disagree with you on the POV wording of the sentence. The statement was fact, and while the sources were no where near neutral POV, the fact is that he voted against the motion that did exactly what the sentence you removed said it did. So the sentence was in no way off of a neutral POV, as it was a fact. Might we put the statement back up for now and take it to the talk page to see if anyone else agrees with either you or myself? --Fbifriday (talk) 05:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, you make a valid point that the way the editor made his string of edits was not in line with BLP standards. I do, however, believe that the debate should be held as to whether or not it should be included. I do not necessarily agree with holding it on the Congress project page, as it may discourage people with an opinion on this from commented as they may not be able to find the debate, so I would be more comfortable with holding the debate on the talk page for the article in question. Please be aware I have no personal stake in this, I'm just a recent changes patroller who noted your edit as one that needed to be addressed somehow, and I see a more open consensus via article talk page as more beneficial to the article.--Fbifriday (talk) 05:34, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Lots of new CDPs
Hmm, very interesting; thanks. My county didn't have any CDPs in the last census, but I see that four have been created; two currently have articles (East Liberty and Lewistown), while two others don't. Nyttend (talk) 20:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you rearrange templates by moving communities with articles to the CDP section, please add a GNIS or other reference to the article; if we hadn't had this discussion, I would revert your move of Heil and Raleigh to the CDPs section of Grant County, North Dakota. Nyttend (talk) 21:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't quite see how you could add such a reference without an article, but if possible please add a hidden comment such as to the template coding.  Nyttend (talk) 21:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'm confused with this edit — was the "Townships" line supposed to be "CDPs", or do these townships have unusual names? Nyttend (talk) 02:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I thought it was a mistake, but I wasn't sure. Do you normally eat dinner after 8 PM?  Nyttend (talk) 02:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I just realised that I misread your comment — I thought you said "I've been eating and chasing my toddler", rather than "I've been editing and chasing my toddler". Sorry for the confusion; hope you have a more restful tomorrow :-)  Nyttend (talk) 02:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm confused what you mean about the indef blocked user — is this the Iowa Census Vandal, or is it someone else? I read what he said about me on his talk page, but I don't remember ever seeing this guy before.  Nyttend (talk) 12:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see what you mean. I'm sorry, but I can't help with this — I'm at the church conference (and yes, I am still planning on the cemetery photos) with only occasional Internet access.  Perhaps a post at ANI is in order?  Nyttend (talk) 16:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Just curious, have you had the chance to look at the photos I uploaded? One of them I've also put on Commons: File:Gravestones in the Greenville Cemetery.jpg.  Nyttend (talk) 03:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay; you mentioned by email that you'd be out of town for the baptism, but your many contributions in the last several hours made me think that you were home. Looking at a previous email, I believe that I got fewer headstones than you expected to be there, but I photographed and transcribed all the stones that I could find that had the correct family name.  Nyttend (talk) 03:20, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress#Installed
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Updating census population data

 * Hi Dcmacnut, Thank for sending to IP address. I was here at the Grand Forks Public Library. You deleted 1890 and 1900 in Buxton Township. I made edited in Langdon, Mandan, Cavalier and St. Cloud, Minnesota, etc. Then I continue list of cities will update in 1890, 1900 and 1910. I found 1920-2000 Full list of cities in ND and Grand Forks in 1990-2009 Census November of 2009 I made edit in Fargo, Bismarck and Grand Forks in Census 1880. GFH City Beat Census 1870-1880


 * Fargo - 2,693
 * Bismarck - 1,758
 * Grand Forks - 1,705

Have a great day! Typewriter #9912 Ross Degenstein (talk) --165.234.184.69 (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank for commenting me Yes, My account has blocked in January 16, 2010. I'm afraid. I read the WP:SOCK But not my IP addresses. I have been to editing and contributions different IP addresses has 9

* 208.107.209.212 is My home in GF.
 * 208.107.171.160 is Media Center Room at Link Apartment in GF.
 * 208.107.123.63 is Media Center Room at Link Apartment in GF.
 * 184.234.184.69 is Grand Forks Public Library. (here)
 * 96.3.201.230 is East Grand Forks Campbell Library.
 * 24.111.99.223 is Lake Region Public Library in Devils Lake.
 * 66.163.131.108 is Trails West Motel Office in Devils Lake.
 * 204.169.161.1 Hennepin County Library in Minneapolis.
 * 216.243.156.225 is [www.youthlinkmn.org YouthLink] in Minneapolis.

I will E-mail to unblock and Fred. I don't know maybe because trouble on wikipedia.

Ross Degenstein (talk) --165.234.184.69 (talk) 21:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

When a Senator's term starts
Hi, can you please cite a source for the statement that an appointed Senator's term starts when he is appointed, not when he is sworn in? Carte Goodwin is not yet recognized as a Senator by the Secretary of the Senate, and that's the official source. Thanks. JTRH (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting the link to the Senate roll. That answers the question, and you're right. JTRH (talk) 01:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for the response. I worked for a House member who was elected in 1986. January 3, 1987, was a Saturday, so the 100th Congress was sworn in on Tuesday, Jan. 6 (the date provided in the previous Congress's adjournment resolution), and that was always given as the beginning date of her service and the day her predecessor's service ended, so I always thought it was based on the actual swearing-in. Now the members from that class who are still there are listed as having taken office on the 3rd. Very interesting. (BTW, I love this stuff, if you ever want to talk Congressional trivia.) JTRH (talk) 13:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting tidbit from NPR yesterday: The Byrd-to-Goodwin transition represents the largest age gap in history (Byrd b. 1917, Goodwin b. 1974) between a Senator and his successor. Which Senator did you work for? I was an intern for Fritz Hollings and then was an LA for Rep. Liz Patterson of SC. JTRH (talk) 14:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tom Daschle's a great guy. Sorry he's not still in the Senate or in the Cabinet. JTRH (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elections and Referendums#Polling
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Meetup/DC 11
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Hi, I just created Joseph Walter for another person, but I see that you had a redlink for a congressman Joseph Walter on your user page list of North Dakota representatives, which consequently has now turned blue. I didn't want to edit your user page to "fix" this so just letting you know. Hope I've done right — Aegoceras (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

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House terms
That USC section you cited refers to salaries of Reps beginning at the time of election. Does that mean it applies to the terms beginning? And what about Senators - is there a comparable provision? —Markles 14:40, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 2 USC 37 is the comparable legal code to 2 USC 36, which applies to appointed Senators and those elected to fill vacancies. These are the legal codes related to filling vacancies, and long-standing precedent based on the laws (in place since the 1930s) are that the date of commencement of salary is the term start, since salary = employment. You'll recall the huge debate early on in the 111th Congress over appointed senators, in that oath does not equal term start. I was reviewing the recent special elections in Indiana and New York and discovered the same issues.
 * For Representatives filling unexpired terms, where the constitition does not allow for temporary appointments, there is one standard. Your term starts from the date of your special election. That is the plain language of 2 USC 37, and is backed up by the official House roles and the Bioguide. Every winner of a special election this last Congress has their terms starting on election day.
 * For Senators, which has a complex procedure depending on the state laws on appointment, has 3 different standards, one for appointed senators and two for special election to fill vacancies.


 * 1) Appointed senators start their term the date they are appointed by a governor and last until a successor is "elected and qualified."
 * 2) Elected successors to fill vacancies or succeed and appointee have to sub-standards.
 * 3) If Congress is adjourned sine die, your term starts the day after your election (see case of Strom Thurmond case as listed in Riddick's Senate procedure).
 * 4) If Congress is in session, your term starts the day you qualify. I'm not sure what "qualify" in this case means, but it is generaly tied to when your election is certified by the state election officials and you file your cerfitication with the Secretary of State. This generally coincides with the date of your swearing in.
 * I was actually thinking of doing an essay or table laying this out to address future confusion in the 112th Congress. What do you think?DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  14:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Are you thinking of putting it on the USS and USHR talk pages, or somewhere at WP:USC? I'm afraid of putting it in the main articles. Even though there's ample precedent in some secondary sources, someone could still try to claim WP:OR since the specifics I've laid out are primary sources.DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think such an essay would be a GREAT idea. Put it in as sections of United States Senate and United States House of Representatives.14:56, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right about OR. But I don't want to subsume it into the talk page dustbin.  How about putting it in the main articles, see what happens, and look for secondary sources.—Markles  17:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll work on something in my sandbox later this week if I have time. I'm still technically on a wikibreak (my wife has cancer), but I just couldn't stay away from the problems I was seeing in the congressional articles due to the elections.DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  17:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how someone could complain that quoting and citing the U.S. Code is improperly sourced. My best wishes for your wife's speedy recovery. JTRH (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 December 5#Utah Territory's At-large congressional district
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Discussion at Talk:Richard Bassett#Bassett's "Party"
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Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress#Committee lists/chairs in the Ordinals?
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WikiProject United States Government
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July 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
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Dead link in article 'United States House Select Committee on the Voting Irregularities of August 2, 2007'
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Kirill [talk] 18:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Oath
An oath does not a Congressman make. In the 112th Congress, the vacant terms (for example, of NJ10) ended November 6, 2012, on election day. Right?—GoldRingChip 01:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * A Member of Congress is Constitutionally required to take an oath before assuming office. Yes, it's counterintuitive to say that Donald Payne didn't become a Member until November 15, but once he took the oath on November 15, he's considered to have taken office on November 6. But that is how the House of Representatives does it. JTRH (talk) 01:24, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But his term, constitutionally, dates to the day of the election and his pay does as well. Or is that wrong?  Didn't we hash this out a few years ago with some other article?—GoldRingChip  02:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

We've gone back and forth on this several times over the years. 2 USC 37 dictates that the election day is the start of the term when filling vacancies. So the other members elected to fill vacancies had their terms start November 6, but they were seated November 13, an important distinction. But Payne didn't resign his Newark city council seat until November 15, hence could not take office until today. You can't be a Member of Congress and a local elected official simultaneously. It remains to be seen if the Clerk will treat his term as starting on Nov 6. But when Kristen Gillibrand was appointed to the Senate in 2009, her term did not start until she resigned her House seat. Once bioguide.congress.gov updates their site we'll have the official word.DCmacnut &lt;  &gt;  03:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The Clerk's office has already updated the seniority list, with all four new members listed as beginning on Nov. 6. While you can't simultaneously serve in two offices at once, they didn't vote on anything until they took the oath (which was two days later for Payne), and the House wasn't in session from the 6th to the 13th, so there's no conflict. Re Gillibrand, the House and Senate have different rules, and AFAIK in the Senate appointments are processed differently than special elections. JTRH (talk) 10:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I think should be binding as for when there is/isn't a vacancy.  I thought you could be a locally-elected official and member of Congress; and even if you couldn't, there's no reason to think that the local job would override the federal job.—GoldRingChip  12:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the downside of trying to update pages in real time. We often try to update them before the realiable sources even have them updated. I don't disagree that November 6 is the date the term starts. 2 USC 37 is clear on that point. The House views "terms" and "seated" as distinct matters. So his term started November 6, which is what should go on his seniority listing and his infobox. But he was "seated" on November 15. The Changes in Membership box says "date successor was seated". Unless we change that to "date successor's term began" we have to use November 13 and 15, right?DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  15:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Dual office-holding for Members of Congress is prohibited by Article I, Section 6 of the Constitution. JTRH (talk) 15:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I was basing my earlier edits on. He didn't resign his city council position until November 15. It all depends on whether a locally-elected office qualifies as an "Office under the United States". A literal read of Article I, Section 6 indicates only dual federal positions are prohibited. So either it's not a problem in Payne's case, or the Clerk's website is wrong. I'm not a constitutional scholar. I only play one on Wikipedia.DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  16:18, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I came here from the change you made to Suzan DelBene. Thanks for leading me to an interesting distinction. I'll also change the page about the CD, which I had edited to read Nov 13. But I don't see any template that uses the term "date successor was seated". David Brooks (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's from the "Changes in Membership" section that each ordinal congress article has. See 112th_Congress.DCmacnut &lt; &gt;  17:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL on the "play one on Wikipedia" comment. "An office under the United States" is, AFAIK, any government office, federal, state or local. I would imagine that, just as it would be a breach of separation of powers for someone to be simultaneously Congressman and President, it would be a breach of federalism for someone to simultaneously serve in two different governments. I have no idea why the seniority date isn't the actual date of oath-taking, but he couldn't have voted on federal legislation until he resigned as a city councilman and was sworn into Congress, so there was, in reality, no dual office-holding even if the dates overlapped. JTRH (talk) 18:57, 16 Nove;mber 2012 (UTC)
 * I may be wrong, since, for example, it's apparently legal in Louisiana to simultaneously hold federal and local office (but not federal and state), which would make it a matter of state law and not federal jurisdiction. I know NJ does, or used to, allow people to simultaneously serve in offices such as mayor and state senator. JTRH (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I take the "office under the United States" to mean a federal offices only. Back in the early Republic, it was not usual for someone to be a home-town elected official while also serving as a Congressman.  Today, folks elected (or appointed) to federal office usually wait until they're done with their state offices (term ending or resignation).—GoldRingChip  22:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The other place where it matters is in list articles such as Michigan's 10th congressional district, List of United States Representatives from Michigan, List of United States Senators from Massachusetts, where vacancies last only until election/appointment, and the ordinal Congress articles members section, where it lists who's in the seat, and when it's vacant. The only place on wikipedia, AFAIK, that uses the oath date is the "Changes in Membership" section of the ordinal congress articles (as mentioned earlier in this discussion by User:DCmacnut.   —GoldRingChip  22:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

An office under the United States is a federal office. It is in the Senate where continuing on in a state office can matter, but not because of constitutional disqualification. If you get your credentials in on time (before January 3) and show up to take the oath on opening day, your term starts on January 3 regardless of when the Senate first meets. If you don't, your term starts when you show up. An example is Senator Rockefeller who was elected in 1984 for a full term, but did not show up until January 15 because he was finishing out his term as governor. It wasn't a question of being disqualified; he simply didn't show up for a bit because he wanted to meet his prior commitment. The other situation is, IIRC, being elected in a special election. Again, your term does not start until you show up to present your credentials and take the oath, so a similar situation could arise. -Rrius (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Seniority in the United States Senate#New review
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Seniority in the United States Senate. —GoldRingChip 04:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

DC Meetup #33
December 10 is Ada Lovelace's birthday! Not only was she the world's first computer programmer, but also the world's first female open source developer! Come celebrate with Wikimedia District of Columbia at Busboys & Poets for an informal get together!

The Washington, DC event will be held on Monday, December 10, 2012 at Busboys & Poets on 5th St NW & K St NW near Mt Vernon Square. The area is easily accessible by the Red Line Chinatown stop and the Yellow Line and Green Line Mt Vernon Square stop, as well as by WMATA buses.

Kirill [talk] 14:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia DC Holiday Party and Wiki Loves Monuments Exhibition
Please join Wikimedia DC and four other local media nonprofits—the National Press Club's Young Members Committee, 100Reporters, IRE and the Fund for Investigative Journalism—in winding down another year with a night of well-mannered frivolity.

The festivities will take place on Friday evening from 6:30 PM to 9:00 PM in the Zenger Room on the 13th Floor of the National Press Club, located on 529 14th Street NW, near Metro Center. There will be meat and vegetarian appetizers as well as a cash bar with specially reduced drink prices all night long. In addition, we will be exhibiting the finalists of the Wiki Loves Monuments photo contest at the event.

Hope to see you there! Kirill [talk] 04:42, 13 December 2012 (UTC)