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This is not an easy subject for me to write about. I want to, and I want to do a good job, but there is much I must leave out because it isn't encyclopedic. I had known of Cliff for much of my life, but I only interacted with him on a handful of occasions. He was the Best Man at my parents wedding. on 5th Jan '55, two days before my dad's 21st birthday.

My Dad's career paralleled with Cliff. While my dad was working on Childrens Television, Cliff was developing professional instruction video. When my dad moved into university administration, so did Cliff. I don't think they collaborated on projects very often, I think they were competitive in the best kind of way. And friends.

==== Meeting Cliff for the first time, one might be struck by any of many different things. Cliff was a gracious host, deflecting personal praise to the deserving. On more than one occasion, he had deflected a compliment about overhead transparencies employed in a session to the deserving author, his wife. Or one might hear his larrikin spirit. On the second floor of the Madsen Building, in the Early 80's, Cliff bowled a few deliveried down the corridor, where doors were made of glass. Not recklessly, but fun.

Cliff Turney (1932–18 March 2005) was an Australian educationalist.

Turney was foundation Dean of Education at the University of Sydney. He was a researcher who in thirty-five years managed to catalogue much of Australia's history of Education. As an administrator he oversaw the merging of Sydney's Teacher's College with the University of Sydney Faculty of Education. Meeting Turney for the first time, one might be struck by any of many different things. Turney was a gracious host, deflecting personal praise to the deserving. On more than one occasion, he had deflected a compliment about overhead transparencies employed in a session to the deserving author, his wife. Or one might hear his larrikin spirit. On the second floor of the Madsen Building, in the Early 80's, Turney bowled a few deliveries down the corridor, where doors were made of glass. Not recklessly, but fun. Turney had the talented educator’s skill of letting others find the correct answer. He didn’t need to point or hint, but through gentle, wry humor, he did much. He had another talent that made him an exceptionally good educator, he had an eye for the apt anecdote. When he had educational videos made, the incidents illustrated were natural and excellent illustrations. In 1949, graduating from Fort St High School, Turney would have been considering which academic career he would pursue. Fort St had a reputation, at the time, of one of NSW’s top academic schools, although it was public. Many of his friends would have gone to further study at a university. His choice of Primary education, which in NSW is from ages five to eleven, or grades kindergarten to year six, did not lack academic rigor. His ability to teach, his skill, was recognized early, and he was appointed to Haberfield Demonstration School in 1953. Demonstration schools were places where Universities and Colleges of Advanced Education would send their students to witness teacher praxis. Turney’s efforts were further recognized as he was appointed lecturer in Education at Sydney's Teacher's College and made Commonwealth Research Scholar in 1956. Teachers in NSW, at the time, did not require a university degree to teach. After nine years of teaching, Turney enrolled at Sydney University, graduating with first class honors for his BA, then first class honors for his M.Ed. In 1964, Turney enrolled in a Ph.D. program for a study in the history of early educational endeavour. Part of his post doctoral work would examine the history of Education in Australia. Turney was appointed Senior Lecturer at Sydney University in 1966, and Associate Professor in 1973. By 1976, Turney was Appointed Professor of Education ‘head of the School of Teaching and Curriculum Studies.’ During the early seventies, Turney had Edited and co-authored the Sydney Micro Skills Handbook and its accompanying videos. Part of a national re-evaluation of teaching and teacher education, these publications had a major influence on practice in teacher education, in Australia and internationally. A restructure of the Education Sector in 1986, Had Sydney University promote its Education Department to a full Faculty. The Department had had more researchers than other faculties. Also, Sydney College of Education merged with the faculty. Turney was foundation Dean during this time. In 1994, with failing health, Turney was made Emeritus Professor Education. He continued his research, and in 2003 was awarded the Sydney University Honorary Doctorate of Letters. He died in 2005, survived by his wife, Roslyn, and two daughters, Jennifer and Catherine.

Research
Edited and co-authored the Sydney Micro Skills Handbook and its accompanying videos. Part of a national re-evaluation of teaching and teacher education which took place in the 1970s, these publications had a major influence on practice in teacher education, in Australia and internationally.
 * Pioneers of Australian Education edited and contributor
 * 1989 Grammar: The History of Sydney Grammar School
 * history of the University of Sydney, Australia’s First
 * History of Sydney Teachers College
 * History of Teacher Education at Balmain and Kuring-gai Colleges
 * William Wilkins: His Life and Work
 * Cliff Turney and Judy Taylor, To Enlighten Them Our Task, Sydmac Academic Press, 1996

Copyright issue with James_Royce_Shannon
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Cliff Turney
I have added a "" template to the article Cliff Turney, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Darksun 12:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Cliff Turney and your comments
Hi. I just noticed your comment on Jimbo Wales talk page. Please be aware, I'm not trying to target you, and I am very happy for the article to be included in Wikipedia is notability is shown. However, I am concerned about one or two possible inaccuracies in your comment.


 * You refer to a 'zealous admin'. Is this me? I am not an Administrator on Wikipedia, I am a normal editor with exactly the same status as yourself and all other editors.
 * You say "It gets more concerning for me, as the person who listed it for deletion has done so for other articles I have proposed, in the past." - could you please refer me to the articles in question? I do not recall listing any articles you have created for deletion, other than the Cliff Turney article.

Remember you have several days to improve the article and assert it's notability. If you feel this isn't enough time, then at least would you provide sources so that another editor could do so? I have searched Google, but there is only limited material availiable.

Feel free to address any or all of these points on the Article's entry on AFD

--Darksun 03:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC) Thank you for your clarification Darksun. It was a year or so, ago when you referred another article for deletion, and I replied commenting on the 'real world' and Spiderman, as I'd noticed your user page. There were several comments from others on the deletion page that looked suspicious to me, in that they seemed to endorse the deletion without apparent knowledge of what they were advocating .. I recall the same comment re 'life of quiet desperation'. However, I do not recall the article name, nor particularly care. My concerns are not personal to you, but to those who behave poorly, making ambit claims and preventing that which makes Wiki a brilliant encyclopedia. It will take Britannica decades to include Cliff, not because he isn't notable, but because he isn't central to US/Brit concerns when their academics evaluate contributions. DDB 04:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Gladman stuff
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Frederick John Gladman
I have added a speedy deletion template to this article because it is a near verbatim copy of the australian biography. I have noticed that you created several biographical articles here. You may be interested in reading the Manual of style for biographies to see what the recomended style is. Thanks -- Diletante 21:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You were wrong, Diletante. It was not 'near verbatim' as I had gone to some trouble to make it so it wasn't. I had not yet added the pictures and things. However, I understand it was way too much trouble for you to seek to improve the notable person and much easier to allege misconduct. Are you related to Darksun? Is this payback? DDB 05:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Frederick John Gladman
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copyright concerns with Frederick John Gladman
in response to your post on my talk page If you persist in personalizing the nomination of this article for deletion, you will not learn the legitimate reasons why it fails to meet criteria for inclusion. In other words, look at it objectively and you might learn something about editing here; look at it personally, and you will fail to grow as an editor. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)