User talk:Ddstretch/Archives/2013/December

GAN December 2013 Backlog Drive
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Horseshit
is a pathetic statement, really. I've been the victim of "goading the Eric" accusations, and I can say with a free conscience that your statement is a biased and ill-informed assessment of other editor's intentions when dealing with Malleus/Eric. If he stayed on his page and didn't insult editors in the talk pages of articles, that's one thing. The very notion that anyone who comes to his talk page to complain about his incivility is somehow "baiting" him is just absurd; and the gang of supporters that show up to chase off the alleged "harassers" is disgusting. Your blind support of him sheds light on your judgement as an admin. Doc  talk  07:20, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Please do not contact me again.  DDStretch    (talk)  07:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

By linking this discussion on Eric's talk page, which I chose not to participate in, you are "baiting" me. Do you know that? I didn't post this for the fucking peanut gallery. Or did I... Doc  talk  07:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahem. I have agreed voluntarily not to post on Eric's talk page so as not to anger the status quo, and I haven't posted there since my pledge. I am not under any sanction or restriction from posting there, mind you. Yet you continue to mention me there, while telling me to stay off your talk page. I will not stop posting here until you stop linking my discussions and talking about me. This is not my first day here, and you neither frighten nor impress me with your style of communication. Doc   talk  07:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I think your aggressive response when I did not mention you personally (and I did not even have you in mind) say more about you and your thoughts than it does about me. Especially since you continue to refuse my request to not post here and admit you only voluntarily choose not to post on Eric's page. You choose to not respond on Eric's page, yet refuse my request here! Stand back and think about that a bit, I urge you. Try not to be so combative. I'm not going to do anything, but you may find others could. So, once again, please do not post here, or you may find others take greater exception to what you are now doing than I do. DDStretch   (talk)  07:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't link my discussions onto another page after telling me I can't respond here. It's unprofessional. You have a good day, now. Doc   talk  08:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

And your refusal to adhere to my request when it is quite in order for you to choose to respond on the talk page where you presume incorrectly that I was directing a comment at you specifically (you admit you voluntarily have chosen not to post to Eric's page)? I gently suggest that you are being far too sensitive here, since I neither named you at first, nor meant you at first. But I thank you for providing exactly the evidence that illustrates the point I wanted to make. DDStretch   (talk)  08:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Not once did I ever assume that you were referring specifically to me, at all. You made a quite general statement, and I attempted to shed light on the holes in that blanket generalization of the "provokers" of Eric. You're an admin, and you shouldn't be kicking people off your page merely because they have an issue with something you said. Doc   talk  08:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

My use of the word "provokers" meant exactly that. Some provoke and some do it deliberately. Not all provoke, and I think the responses are sometimes too robust, but I was talking specifically about people who use inflammatory language and then complain when a reaction happens. That does not apply to everyone, but some people seem to have shorter fuses coupled with a lack of insight. DDStretch   (talk)  08:20, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok. I withdraw my request for you not to respond to me from this point on. However, you did ignore it before. Is that better? DDStretch   (talk)  08:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool - I only ignored it because I knew you were reasonable :) In general, it's quite arguable that Eric's "robust" style of communication when in disagreement with fellow editors encourages equally robust responses or reactions. I, and many others, therefore utterly reject the general notion that the guy really ever gets baited at all, whatsoever. YMMV. I've never attempted to get him blocked or sanctioned in any way: I've only talked plainly to him and about him. Cheers... Doc   talk  08:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * (e/c) Actually, I can understand what you are saying, and I do have some sympathy with it. I don't always jump tosupport Eric, because I think often silence is a better response, especially when there are some who appear to take it almost as their main aim to get him off wikipedia (though this may not be the case). However, the imbalance between his treatment and the treatment of some who seem to behave equally bad is worthy of comment and discussion. I think people see that as me being somehow like his lapdog when that is not the case. We are each our own men. In general, I think the civility conditions we live under on wikipedia do not reflect reality (because I have been the recipient of far worse in my academic life which went by with little reaction apart from a shrug of the shoulders and "people will be people" type of reaction). I think they could be a reaction to try to be too correct (like political correctness), but it is my style to not swear and I try to be not inflammatory, so I would rarely break the rules, even if I think they are a bit too restrictive in the way they are applied. However, sometimes I know my attempts at being rational can cause poor reactions in some others. I should keep my mouth shut about these things more often perhaps, then. In general, though, you are right, it is best to keep talking, and I thank you for prompting me to think on that more here. By the way, if you have never attempted to get Eric blocked, then my comments could not have been directed at you!  DDStretch    (talk)  08:50, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * All is well - sorry about my comment on my perception of your admin performance, which I have stricken. No hard feelings at all! Doc   talk  09:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Good! Its time for me to get something to eat now (its 5.15pm here in Beijing). So, I'm off and won't be on here until Sunday now. Have a good time! DDStretch   (talk)  09:15, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Courage
Sorry to see your notice above, about discouragement. May I offer encouragement (a line written for myself) also to you? I just worded that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)