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Your RfA transclusion
I reverted your RfA transclusion. You have been inactive for the past 2 years (77 edits in 2017; 34 edits in 2018). That will probably doom your RfA. So I'd wait until you have much more recent activity.

I do not recommend it, but if you still want to try now, just reinsert your nomination. But you might ask others, such as, for their opinion.

Glrx (talk) 00:33, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

That's one year inactive, not two years. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC) And how am I supposed to reinsert if it has been deleted?
 * I feel you're certainly permitted to run an RFA, though I agree it will likely be WP:SNOW closed fairly quickly once you get to 10 or 20 opposes. The previous RFA was somehow templated incorrectly; if you're persistent you can probably get an admin to undelete it for you (though I expect several will try to talk you out of this first). power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Another admin has already deleted the RfA page. I agree with - it's doomed to failure. It will bring out a wave of oppose votes. Ron h jones (Talk) 00:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I still want to go ahead with it. And I'd appreciate it if the request page could be restored. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 00:43, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi De la Marck, and a happy new year to you. I have deleted the RFA page because there is zero point in you attempting an RFA at this point. It will not succeed because you simply don't have the experience yet. But don't let that dishearten you, every admin here has been at that phase too. There are plenty of ways to help Wikipedia without being an admin, and over time you will pick up the necessary experience to have a genuine go at getting the mop. If you still want me to I can restore the page, but I guarantee that it will not be successful so I would urge you to think again. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not think you will succeed in next 7 days RfA and support rate will be very low so I endorsed deleting RfA Hhkohh (talk) 00:48, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks all - I still want to restore this Amakuru - but did someone say there was a problem with my templating? I don't remember noticing. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 00:50, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


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 * No, you've not been very active for 2 years. See https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/De%20la%20Marck for the stats. Ignoring this month, November 2016 is the last time you had a month with more than 30 edits. Being careless about such facts suggest you may not be ready for adminship.
 * Yes, an admin looked at your RfA page and deleted it. The admin obviously thought the nomination would be a very quick WP:SNOW close.
 * Before the page was deleted, another editor opposed you. You would probably get 10 opposes in the first two hours. Editors will look at your contributions, see it is not enough, and oppose without looking further.
 * The page also had a procedural error, and that would be heavily criticized.
 * Please do not run right now. RfA can be very unfriendly.
 * Glrx (talk) 00:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't get why you're trying to stop me - just because you think it will be refused?Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 00:53, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

What was the proceedural error, Glrx? Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 00:54, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I mentioned the template error; the timer template was broken, so it displayed that the RFA was closed on the main page. It should be straightforward to fix.  At this point, I don't see any further harm in running the RFA.  Occasionally the rule must be proved by testing. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 00:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I've restored the page, so continue with it if you want, but I've given my advice to you above. Thanks. &mdash; Amakuru (talk)

Right align
Is there a reason you have your talkpage set to right align? It makes reading your talkpage very difficult. SQL Query me! 01:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Because I'm left handed. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 01:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow why you would need your talkpage to be right-aligned due to being left handed. SQL Query me!  01:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Close as I can get to Da Vinci style inversion. I do that in my handwriting. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 01:41, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * So, it has nothing to do with your handedness, and it's a stylistic choice? It makes your talkpage very difficult to read. Unless there is a real necessity for that layout, please remove it. SQL Query me!  01:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh you all want me to flip the alignment of the page? Sure. Didn't realise. It's a bit hard to read the page. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (De la Marck) (talk) 02:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. SQL Query me!  02:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Your RfA
Hello, unfortunately I've had to close your RfA early as it was clear that it was not going to succeed. I hope this doesn't discourage you from contributing further to Wikipedia and if you need any help going forward, feel free to reach out to me on my talk page. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I wish you'd left it open Tony. I was enjoying reading that. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 01:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but that's probably only because people have been mostly friendly. Yet. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Friendly? Why should people be friendly? I was wishing they'd get more personal. But there was that 'civility' tag getting in the way rather. I felt tempted to remove it. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (talk) 01:50, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * , I think you can request for rollback permission first in WP:PERM before running RfA if you want to fight vandals Hhkohh (talk) 01:54, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, you're clearly trolling us with this response so I'll repeat the requests of because I'm not one to beat around the bush once that's been established: if you wish to continue editing here, you are going to have to abide by our behavioral norms. There are two really basic ones that you are in breach of right now: first, you are having the page right aligned, which is not how English is usually written, which make people annoyed. Second, your signature does not make your username identifiable. These things really hinder communication and are disruptive. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:03, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Tony is very friendly to you. But why you still want RfA open? It will waste our editors time Hhkohh (talk) 02:15, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between trolling and humour. Le Sanglier des Ardennes (De la Marck) (talk) 02:24, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing your signature and talk page. I’m not anti-humour, but when everyone who is trying to have a regular discussion with you about communicating on this platform is met with humour or non-answers, it’s a bit hard to tell the difference. Now that you’ve updated everything, we should be good :) TonyBallioni (talk) 02:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Signature
Hiya, could you fix your signature so that the displayed text includes your username. The signature guideline/policy page says A customised signature should make it easy to identify the username, to visit the user's talk-page, and preferably user page. which unfortunately yours doesn't quite manage as the name displayed doesn't match with your username. Thanks Nick (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * The link leads to my page. Many users don't have the actual text displayed.
 * Thank you . Drmies (talk) 02:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

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Welcome back to the Editing newsletter.

Since the last newsletter, the team has released two new features for the mobile visual editor and has started developing three more. All of this work is part of the team's goal to make editing on mobile web simpler.

Before talking about the team's recent releases, we have a question for you:

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Recent releases
The mobile visual editor is a simpler editing tool, for smartphones and tablets using the mobile site. The Editing team has recently launched two new features to improve the mobile visual editor:


 * 1) Section editing
 * 2) * The purpose is to help contributors focus on their edits.
 * 3) * The team studied this with an A/B test. This test showed that contributors who could use section editing were 1% more likely to publish the edits they started than people with only full-page editing.
 * 4) Loading overlay
 * 5) * The purpose is to smooth the transition between reading and editing.

Section editing and the new loading overlay are now available to everyone using the mobile visual editor.

New and active projects
This is a list of our most active projects. Watch these pages to learn about project updates and to share your input on new designs, prototypes and research findings.


 * Edit cards: This is a clearer way to add and edit links, citations, images, templates, etc. in articles. You can try this feature now.  Go here to see how: 📲Try Edit Cards.
 * Mobile toolbar refresh: This project will learn if contributors are more successful when the editing tools are easier to recognize.
 * Mobile visual editor availability: This A/B test asks: Are newer contributors more successful if they use the mobile visual editor?  We are collaborating with 20 Wikipedias to answer this question.
 * Usability improvements: This project will make the mobile visual editor easier to use.  The goal is to let contributors stay focused on editing and to feel more confident in the editing tools.

Looking ahead

 * Wikimania: Several members of the Editing Team will be attending Wikimania in August 2019.  They will lead a session about mobile editing in the Community Growth space.  Talk to them about how editing can be improved.
 * Talk Pages: In the coming months, the Editing Team will begin improving talk pages and communication on the wikis.

Learning more
The VisualEditor on mobile is a good place to learn more about the projects we are working on. The team wants to talk with you about anything related to editing. If you have something to say or ask, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

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Help
What talk page interactions do you remember? Is it a story about how someone helped you to learn something new? Is it a story about how someone helped you get involved in a group? Something else? Whatever your story is, we want to hear it!

Please tell us a story about how you used a talk page. Please share a link to a memorable discussion, or describe it on the talk page for this project. The team would value your examples. These examples will help everyone develop a shared understanding of what this project should support and encourage.

Talk Pages
The Talk Pages Consultation was a global consultation to define better tools for wiki communication. From February through June 2019, more than 500 volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and multiple projects, came together with members of the Foundation to create a product direction for a set of discussion tools. The Phase 2 Report of the Talk Page Consultation was published in August. It summarizes the product direction the team has started to work on, which you can read more about here: Talk Page Project project page.

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Mobile visual editor
The Editing team is trying to make it simpler to edit on mobile devices. The team is changing the visual editor on mobile. If you have something to say about editing on a mobile device, please leave a message at Talk:VisualEditor on mobile.

Edit Cards



 * On 3 September, the Editing team released version 3 of Edit Cards. Anyone could use the new version in the mobile visual editor.
 * There is an updated design on the Edit Card for adding and modifying links. There is also a new, combined workflow for editing a link's display text and target.
 * Feedback: You can try the new Edit Cards by opening the mobile visual editor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Edit cards talk page.

Toolbar



 * In September, the Editing team updated the mobile visual editor's editing toolbar. Anyone could see these changes in the mobile visual editor.
 * One toolbar: All of the editing tools are located in one toolbar. Previously, the toolbar changed when you clicked on different things.
 * New navigation: The buttons for moving forward and backward in the edit flow have changed.
 * Seamless switching: an improved workflow for switching between the visual and wikitext modes.
 * Feedback: You can try the refreshed toolbar by opening the mobile VisualEditor on a smartphone. Please post your feedback on the Toolbar feedback talk page.

Wikimania
The Editing Team attended Wikimania 2019 in Sweden. They led a session on the mobile visual editor and a session on the new talk pages project. They tested two new features in the mobile visual editor with contributors. You can read more about what the team did and learned in the team's report on Wikimania 2019.

Looking ahead

 * Talk Pages Project: The team is thinking about the first set of proposed changes.  The team will be working with a few communities to pilot those changes. The best way to stay informed is by adding your username to the list on the project page: Getting involved.
 * Testing the mobile visual editor as the default: The Editing team plans to post results before the end of the calendar year. The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: VisualEditor as mobile default project page.
 * Measuring the impact of Edit Cards: The Editing team hopes to share results in November.  This study asks whether the project helped editors add links and citations.  The best way to stay informed is by adding the project page to your watchlist: Edit Cards project page.

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The team is building a new tool for replying to comments now. This early version can sign and indent comments automatically. Please test the new Reply tool.


 * On 31 March 2020, the new tool was offered as a Beta Feature editors at four Wikipedias:  Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian.  If your community also wants early access to the new tool, contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF).
 * The team is planning some upcoming changes. Please review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page.  The team will test features such as:
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 * Reply tool : This is available as a Beta Feature at the four partner wikis (Arabic, Dutch, French, and Hungarian Wikipedias). The Beta Feature will get new features soon.  The new features include writing comments in a new visual editing mode and pinging other users by typing  . You can test the new features on the Beta Cluster.  Some other wikis will have a chance to try the Beta Feature in the coming months.
 * New requirements for user signatures : Soon, users will not be able to save invalid custom signatures in Special:Preferences. This will reduce signature spoofing, prevent page corruption, and make new talk page tools more reliable.  Most editors will not be affected.
 * New discussion tool : The Editing team is beginning work on a simpler process for starting new discussions.   You can see the initial design on the project page.
 * Research on the use of talk pages : The Editing team worked with the Wikimedia research team to study how talk pages help editors improve articles.  We learned that new editors who use talk pages make more edits to the main namespace than new editors who don't use talk pages.

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Editing news 2020 #3


Seven years ago this week, the Editing team made the visual editor available by default to all logged-in editors using the desktop site at the English Wikipedia. Here's what happened since its introduction:


 * The 50 millionth edit using the visual editor on desktop was made this year. More than 10 million edits have been made here at the English Wikipedia.
 * More than 2 million new articles have been created in the visual editor. More than 600,000 of these new articles were created during 2019.
 * Almost 5 million edits on the mobile site have been made with the visual editor. Most of these edits have been made since the Editing team started improving the mobile visual editor in 2018.
 * The proportion of all edits made using the visual editor has been increasing every year.
 * Editors have made more than 7 million edits in the 2017 wikitext editor, including starting 600,000 new articles in it. The 2017 wikitext editor is VisualEditor's built-in wikitext mode.  You can enable it in your preferences.
 * On 17 November 2019, the first edit from outer space was made in the mobile visual editor.
 * In 2019, 35% of the edits by newcomers, and half of their first edits, were made using the visual editor. This percentage has been increasing every year since the tool became available.

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Editing news 2020 #4
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Reply tool


The Reply tool  has been available as a Beta Feature at the Arabic, Dutch, French and Hungarian Wikipedias since 31 March 2020. The first analysis showed positive results.


 * More than 300 editors used the Reply tool at these four Wikipedias. They  posted more than 7,400 replies during the study period.
 * Of the people who posted a comment with the Reply tool, about 70% of them used the tool multiple times. About 60% of them used it on multiple days.
 * Comments from Wikipedia editors are positive. One said, أعتقد أن الأداة تقدم فائدة ملحوظة؛ فهي تختصر الوقت لتقديم رد بدلًا من التنقل بالفأرة إلى وصلة تعديل القسم أو الصفحة، التي تكون بعيدة عن التعليق الأخير في الغالب، ويصل المساهم لصندوق التعديل بسرعة باستخدام الأداة.  ("I think the tool has a significant impact; it saves time to reply while the classic way is to move with a mouse to the Edit link to edit the section or the page which is generally far away from the comment. And the user reaches to the edit box so quickly to use the Reply tool.")

The Editing team released the Reply tool as a Beta Feature at eight other Wikipedias in early August. Those Wikipedias are in the Chinese, Czech, Georgian, Serbian, Sorani Kurdish, Swedish, Catalan, and Korean languages. If you would like to use the Reply tool at your wiki, please tell User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF).

The Reply tool is still in active development. Per request from the Dutch Wikipedia and other editors, you will be able to customize the edit summary. (The default edit summary is "Reply".) A "ping" feature is available in the Reply tool's visual editing mode. This feature searches for usernames. Per request from the Arabic Wikipedia, each wiki will be able to set its own preferred symbol for pinging editors. Per request from editors at the Japanese and Hungarian Wikipedias, each wiki can define a preferred signature prefix in the page MediaWiki:Discussiontools-signature-prefix. For example, some languages omit spaces before signatures. Other communities want to add a dash or a non-breaking space.

New requirements for user signatures

 * The new requirements for custom user signatures began on 6 July 2020. If you try to create a custom signature that does not meet the requirements, you will get an error message.
 * Existing custom signatures that do not meet the new requirements will be unaffected temporarily . Eventually, all custom signatures will need to meet the new requirements. You can check your signature and see lists of active editors whose custom signatures need to be corrected.  Volunteers have been contacting editors who need to change their custom signatures.  If you need to change your custom signature, then please read the help page.

Next: New discussion tool
Next, the team will be working on a tool for quickly and easily starting a new discussion section to a talk page. To follow the development of this new tool, please put the New Discussion Tool project page on your watchlist.

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Reply tool
The Reply tool  is available at most other Wikipedias.


 * The Reply tool has been deployed as an opt-out preference to all editors at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.
 * It is also available as a Beta Feature at almost all Wikipedias except for the English, Russian, and German-language Wikipedias. If it is not available at your wiki, you can request it by following these simple instructions.

Research notes:


 * As of January 2021, more than 3,500 editors have used the Reply tool to post about 70,000 comments.
 * There is preliminary data from the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedia on the Reply tool. Junior Contributors who use the Reply tool are more likely to publish the comments that they start writing than those who use full-page wikitext editing.
 * The Editing and Parsing teams have significantly reduced the number of edits that affect other parts of the page. About 0.3% of edits did this during the last month. Some of the remaining changes are automatic corrections for Special:LintErrors.
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New discussion tool
The new tool for starting new discussions (new sections) will join the Discussion tools in Special:Preferences at the end of January. You can try the tool for yourself. You can leave feedback in this thread or on the talk page.

Next: Notifications
During Talk pages consultation 2019, editors said that it should be easier to know about new activity in conversations they are interested in. The Notifications project is just beginning. What would help you become aware of new comments? What's working with the current system? Which pages at your wiki should the team look at? Please post your advice at mw:Talk:Talk pages project/Notifications.

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Earlier this year, the Editing team ran a large study of the Reply Tool. The main goal was to find out whether the Reply Tool helped newer editors communicate on wiki. The second goal was to see whether the comments that newer editors made using the tool needed to be reverted more frequently than comments newer editors made with the existing wikitext page editor.

The key results were:


 * Newer editors who had automatic ("default on") access to the Reply tool were more likely to post a comment on a talk page.
 * The comments that newer editors made with the Reply Tool were also less likely to be reverted than the comments that newer editors made with page editing.

These results give the Editing team confidence that the tool is helpful.

Looking ahead

The team is planning to make the Reply tool available to everyone as an opt-out preference in the coming months. This has already happened at the Arabic, Czech, and Hungarian Wikipedias.

The next step is to resolve a technical challenge. Then, they will deploy the Reply tool first to the Wikipedias that participated in the study. After that, they will deploy it, in stages, to the other Wikipedias and all WMF-hosted wikis.

You can turn on "Discussion Tools" in Beta Features now. After you get the Reply tool, you can change your preferences at any time in Special:Preferences.

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The New topic tool helps editors create new ==Sections== on discussion pages. New editors are more successful with this new tool. You can read the report. Soon, the Editing team will offer this to all editors at most WMF-hosted wikis. You can join the discussion about this tool for the English Wikipedia is at Village pump (proposals). You will be able to turn it off in the tool or at Special:Preferences.

The Editing team plans to change the appearance of talk pages. These are separate from the changes made by the Desktop improvements project and will appear in both Vector 2010 and Vector 2022. The goal is to add some information and make discussions look visibly different from encyclopedia articles. You can see some ideas at Wikipedia talk:Talk pages project.

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Editing news 2022 #2
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The new [] button notifies people when someone replies to their comments. It helps newcomers get answers to their questions. People reply sooner. You can read the report. The Editing team is turning this tool on for everyone. You will be able to turn it off in your preferences.

–Whatamidoing (WMF) (User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF)) 00:35, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

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Editing news 2023 #1
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This newsletter includes two key updates about the Editing team's work:


 * 1) The Editing team will finish adding new features to the Talk pages project and deploy it.
 * 2) They are beginning a new project, Edit check.

Talk pages project

The Editing team is nearly finished with this first phase of the Talk pages project. Nearly all new features are available now in the Beta Feature for.

It will show information about how active a discussion is, such as the date of the most recent comment. There will soon be a new "" button. You will be able to turn them off at Special:Preferences. Please tell them what you think.



An A/B test for on the mobile site has finished. Editors were more successful with. The Editing team is enabling these features for all editors on the mobile site.

New Project: Edit Check

The Editing team is beginning a project to help new editors of Wikipedia. It will help people identify some problems before they click "". The first tool will encourage people to add references when they add new content. Please watch that page for more information. You can join a conference call on 3 March 2023 to learn more.

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