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Thanks for confirming how much you know about Somali genetics
^ I gave you various sources too, my incredibly intelligent friend with a high IQ ;). Also, it's common knowledge in population genetics that Somalis have no Arab admixture, Somalia joined the Arab League for cultural and economic reasons (various reasons really). Here is a peer-reviewed paper showing you that Somalis have no Arabian admixture whatsoever: [- ]. Here's another btw: [- ] <- just for fun. You're the "idiot" here. Seriously those are recent peer-reviewed papers showing that Somalis have no Arab admixture whatsoever. We have Middle Eastern ancestry but it's very ancient and pre-dates the Islamization of Somalia by thousands of years. I'm not even joking with you here but you can ignore those peer-reviewed papers which btw are shared on the Somalis page if you want, your choice. Those papers make some mistakes I pointed out in my blog post but their point that we have ancient Middle Eastern ancestry and no Arab admixture is true indeed. ;) <- This is not debatable. Unless you know more than genetics professors so on...

Again, do not ever challenge people who know more than you-> it gets VERY embarrassing. lol. Ask middayexpress-> he knows the same things I do about genetics. Anyone with a functional IQ over 70 and whose read genetic papers on Somalis and Ethiopians knows what I just told you but apparently you don't but you seem to think you can dictate Horn history, what a man. lol, man. I'm getting good laughs here...But tell me this... If you think Somalis have Arab ancestry then why point out how "Arab" these dynasties are in your opinion? I mean if all Somalis have Arab ancestors like they do-> what's the difference between the Walashma and Somalis? I'm confused? But I don't expect much critical thinking from you here, no prob, relax. Awale-Abdi (talk) 22:49, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

If you ignore those papers on Somali genetics then you've ended our "discussion" for me, man. You've proven just how high your IQ is if you do that. ;) Awale-Abdi (talk) 22:51, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Respectful end
I'm going to try and quickly get this by in a respectful manner bereft of snarky comments and such:


 * Somalis have West Asian/ Middle Eastern ancestry in gross amounts. I.e. a recent paper on African population genetics had them at ~40% Eurasian, as did Pickrell et al. Joe Pickrell who headed the paper is a geneticist/ PHD holder at Harvard Med... Other studies such as Shriner et al. & Hodgson et al. & Pagani et al. all headed by respectful enough geneticists who did miss the mark on a few things as I criticize on my blog although my peer Middayexpress until we have newer more concise literature on Horn genetics takes them at their word entirely (I really don't mind this, I used to but don't anymore). All of these studies (except the first one which doesn't focus on Somalis at all and therefore never touches on the time frame for their admixture) pretty much show that the admixture in Horners is quite ancient by majority and pre-dates for example the Islamization of Somalia. Somalis have really no Arabian admixture, there might be the rare outlier here and there but the vast majority don't. Even this Y-DNA markers: [- ] & mtDNA markers : [- ] (he's a genome blogger but he shares his sources which again peer-reviewed papers on genetics) do not fit with Arabians for various reasons I can go into if you're curious but I'll leave it at that.

^ I'm not going to disrespect you and say "I don't care what you think" and so on but I'll say that that right there is hard science and while they vary in opinion in some areas; the fact that Somalis don't really have any Arab ancestry of any real note at all (above negligible ~1-2% trace amounts <- even this is dubious and denied at times) is pretty solidified and not debatable. Seriously a good number of these papers like Hogdgson et al. are even used here on Wikipedia... The fact that we're a part of the Arab League is besides the point and frankly most Somalis I know don't even get why we're a part of the league. Arabic is not our mother tongue etc. I'll never understand what provoked our government at the time to pursue membership or what provoked 'Arabs' into accepting us. Though the cultural similarities and "shared Islamic history" since the Middle Ages between us and various Arabic speaking peoples can't be denied...


 * I saw your sources and again-> those sources base their work on those genealogies which trace them to 'Arabs' but only through figures associated with or "ancestral" to Somalis who likely weren't even Arab to begin with (if they were then they're just claimed saints and ancestral to no one, really. Barkhadle to my knowledge didn't even have sons...) unless you think all Somalis are Arabs because that is what these figures are claimed to be? Ancestral to Somalis... And you yourself know Somalis clearly predate the Middle Ages. Also Barkhadle was not their ancestor. The claim to him is legendary and as I explained-> impossible. The more legitimate one is the one tying them to Aqeel (Prophet's uncle) and the Darod clan's ancestor... Anyway, the majority of their soldiers were Somali and so were many of their successors...

This dynasty even practiced an inheritance custom completely unknown to Arabs but it was and still is used by some Somalis & is even known to be Agaw people inheritance custom that was used for example by the Zagwe Dynasty.

This time I mean it: take care. Awale-Abdi (talk) 23:48, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I and another member left an extra reply for you on genetics at my page, I recommend you check it out. It helps end this and your belief in the legitimacy of these genealogies that all Somalis have. Again; take care and I hope this is the end of any conversations/ arguments between us. Awale-Abdi (talk) 18:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)