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For you
Thanks Pyrrho the Skeptic appreciated! Mainly a bit frustrating, but plenty of other articles to work.Deathlibrarian (talk) 01:35, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Talk page archiving settings
Hi! I've restored the talk page archiving settings from /Archive 6 to the top of this page. I hope that's okay with you. --rchard2scout (talk) 08:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, that's awesome, appreciated. Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

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Alastair J Sloan - Declaration of potential COI
I work for The University of Melbourne. I created an article about Alastair J Sloan, who is also a faculty member at The university of Melbourne. I am not being paid to write about him. Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:08, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Your edits on Michael Enright and Jordan Matson
Hello, I am a little perplexed by the way in which you edit. You appear to be an experienced editor, you've actually been on this platform longer than I have, and yet you are making numerous very basic errors that someone of your level of experience simply should not be making. For example, you have consistently tried to add the name of the film Heval to the Michael Enright (actor) and Jordan Matson articles without using the proper markup, using quotation marks instead of italics. You have left spaces between the ends of sentences and their respective references, you have been sloppy in your spelling (writing Micheal instead of Michael, Matsons instead of Matson), etc. I'm sure the content of your edits is good, but it doesn't seem like you are putting the appropriate amount of care into the work you do. The reference you are continually trying to add in order to support the claim that the YPG refuted Matson's accusations against Enright isn't properly formatted—there isn't an actual reference to click on. Please try to be a little more meticulous in your work. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Revirvlkodlaku I was planning to go back in and go over it, but was actually more concerned with the dealing with the multi media reference. I only rarely reference multi media, so I really didn't have any idea how to do that - thank you for the feedback.Deathlibrarian (talk) 22:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, it would be great if you could actually let me know what is specifically wrong with the citation, that way it can be corrected and inserted.
 * I've reinserted that now, if there are still issues with it, it would be great if you could please let me know what the specific issue is with it, so that way it can be corrected. You said something about it not being "able to click through" - I'm not sure what you are referring to, as it clicks through to the reference section.

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Pentagon UFO Vids
What happened that you left editing that? Chantern15 (talk) 15:29, 20 October 2021 (UTC)chantern15
 * Hi Chantern15 Basically, I was trying to introduce content from various perspectives, that has been mentioned in various RS, IMHO to make the content more balanced. However, the content on the page IMHO is very geared towards the pro skeptical, for example, trying to explain the UFOs recorded by the Navy doing extremely unnatural maneuvers that we don't really have an explanation for... by simply saying it's an aberration of the light etc. Various Pilots are on record, as eyewitnesses (including as part of the current affairs program 60 minutes)... but in a discussion about content, their eyewitness testimony was dismissed....which IMHO is stepping back from the Navy's protocol, which is to now take the pilot's seriously. From my perspective, I was trying to make the content more balanced and bring the content into line with what is in the current RS... but the changes to content were constantly downvoted, just a constant uphill battle. So I gave up. Stressful, and I can put my energies better into other articles. Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, I can understand why it's frustrating. I read the dispute resolution page as well, why did the moderators mention that your additions were a bit like Synth? Was that the case? Chantern15 (talk) 07:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)chantern15
 * Upon reflection yes, one of them was. Others were straight additions, but my proposed changes came down to consensus, and I was constantly downvoted. I had researched other material to add for balance, in particular I wanted to add the pilot's perspective. But I won't do that now, which is unfortunate. The content in the article seems to be stuck in a 1980's era sceptical view of UAPs... however, the literature, some scientists and the US Navy and Government are moving on from saying its weather balloons and flocks of birds.Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What is interesting of course is that Project Sign itself way back in the late 1940s had said that not all UFOs can be explained prosaically. If Project Blue Book gets revived in some form, it would be most momentous (I believe that the UAPTF is going to get additional funding and greater access in the Defense Authorization Act of 2022). Chantern15 (talk) 06:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC)chantern15
 * I think that you should persist with work on UFO articles, DeathLibrarian, I need somebody to help me with UFO articles. I had recently written an entry into UFO sightings in the US, which has been removed for further work to be done on it (in-line with Wikipedia policies), you can have a look at it in the history page, and let me know what you think, some of the deprecated sources are on the talk page. Of course, this is only an offer, so it's entirely up to you if you wish to do it, as I understand your reservations. Chantern15 (talk) 06:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)chantern15


 * You had also mentioned in your goodbye message that some editors had insulted you. What happened there?Chantern15 (talk) 06:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)chantern15
 * Hi Chantern15 - yes, I'm happy to look at that article for you, let's see what we can do. There was a discussion about removing the parrallex diagram from the page, and two editors were making attacks that were against WP:CIV. I spoke to both of them on their talk pages, and they did strikethroughs and deleted the comments after I raised it to them. Pretty poor behaviour, but anyway, its done with so that's that. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:11, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand your point! It's good that they retracted their statements. Great glad to hear it! I would say let's discuss what changes should happen in the talk page, and then we can make changes, just so that they are not reverted at a later stage. Chantern15 (talk) 23:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)chantern15
 * Yes, its all sorted and I'm to forget it and move on, as long as it doesn't happen again. Ok, yes of course, let's discuss changes on the talk page, not here. Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads up - all good! Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:03, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

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Question to a librarian
You are just the first on I thought and you are active at AfDs: Articles for deletion/List of non-fiction books about Shanghai 1920s–1950. Can such lists be defended with some argument that they represent library-catalogue-type collections or such? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey There - that list would be useful - Library catalogues will have books listed by subject (a bit like this), which you could also use to find books on Shanghai - but they will probably only show "Shanghai - History" - or "Shanghai - history - 20th c". So for instance the library of Congress has a subject listing for Shanghai History. However, as you can see, this list is more specific, so would be more useful as a way to find books on this subject. However, I don't know if that counts as a defence in terms of AFD - I doubt it? Deathlibrarian (talk) 10:09, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's an argument you can make. I have totally seen worse. WP:ITSUSEFUL is a problem, but it doesn't disqualify a valid argument, WP:IAR is a thing too... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will speak up and make that argument - you're right, WP:ITSUSEFUL could negate it, but I'll make the mention anyway - thanks Piotrus, good on you! Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk:France
Hi, the text of your comment at Talk:France does not seem to match "B", as "B" is the flag with the darker blue. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for that ~ ToBeFree, yes, I meant to type A! - Deathlibrarian (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for the clarification! Emoji_u1f60a.svg ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:36, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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Request in relation to Vmoto/Super Soco pages
Hi Deathlibarian, I hope you are well.

I was wondering if I could lean on you, for some assistance in a matter relating to the Vmoto page?

First up, I should notify you of something that has likely escaped your attention.

In recent days, one Wiki editor has slapped a tag on the Super Soco page, stating that A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. and This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use.

At a glance, these tags give the impression that they reflect some kind of consensus view. However, this is not at all the case. It is important to note that it is just one editor who is behind this push.

If you look at the Super Soco AFD page, you’ll see his arguments around COI are summarised in the first three lines.

Suspected WP: UPE - because creator is also connected with Revolt Motors and Vmoto - both distributors of Super Soco electric bikes in India and Australia respectively.

I have attempted to explain to the editor in question that his argument behind the UPE and COI tags are mistaken, and that Revolt Motors is not the distributor of Super Soco bikes in India, they are an independent company and are a competitor to Vmoto.

To give an example of what I am referring to, see the link below. What this illustrates is that Vmoto are in fact in compemption with Revolt in India:

''Vmoto is an Australian two-wheeler manufacturing group that largely makes electric scooters. The company recently signed an MoU with the Indian company Bird Group, and will discuss collaborating for the distribution of two of its products – Super Soco CUmini and Super Soco CUx.''

Source: https://gaadiwaadi.com/super-soco-cumini-electric-scooter-india-launch-confirmed/

My attempts to explain this have fallen on deaf ears, however. I get a sense the editor has made up his mind on this.

The argument of the editor around Revolt is based on a source that referring to a supply chain link between Super Soco. However, these links are common in the automotive industry, and especially in a small, emerging industry as is the case with the e-motorcycle space.

There is no question that Revolt Motors and Vmoto Soco are independent companies (in fact, the same is true of Vmoto and Super Soco, although these do have a partnership relationship, albeit one which seems to be breaking down).

Essentially, the UPE and the COI tags on the page are based on the claim that Revolt is the Super Soco distributor in India, which is certainly not the case. In fact, Revolt is not even the same brand as Super Soco.

The reason I feel compelled to mention this to you, is because if the Super Soco article is pulled down based on the dodgy UPE claim, the editor who is pushing for the removal of Super Soco will then go on to delete the Vmoto page, using the removal of the Super Soco page as justification.

What concerns me about this is that the UPE tag on a Wikipedia page is like the kiss of death. Most visitors to the page will not realise that there is just one editor behind this, and some will surely nominate the article for delete, based on this mistaken view that there is a well-founded consensus.

At the moment, the editor is targeting the Super Soco page, because he knows it is much quieter that the Vmoto page (note that the UPE tag has not been pasted on the Vmoto page, despite the comments of the editor on the Super Soco page: I believe this is tactical, it looks to me as if the editor is aiming to quietly remove the Super Soco page, before anyone notices).

What I am requesting, is would you be able to offer some support in this?

If you could post a 'Keep' request on the Super Soco page that would be a help for sure. However, what would be even more helpful is if you could challenge the dubious UPE claim, posted at the top of the Super Soco page. Basically, if you could employ your strong research skills to track down any sources that show Revolt Motors and Vmoto are independent and distinct companies, that would be fantastic.

Essentially, if the aim is to keep the Vmoto and Super Soco page, we need to show that Revolt Motors and Vmoto are distinct companies, to invalidate the assertion by this editor that there is a conflict of interest here.

What makes this a bit challenging is that is that there is a lot of mis-information about Vmoto, Super Soco and Revolt, many writers don't understand the relationship between them, and it is possible to 'cherry pick' poor quality sources to mount an argument that there is a relationship between Revolt and Super Soco/Vmoto. So I need some assistance with this, I'm not going to be able to do it on my own.

Thanks for your attention DeathLibrarian, any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Inchiquin (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Inchiquin - yes, I'm happy to help here. He seems to be throwing around accusations that I'm not sure he can prove, or even make sense?. As far as I am concerned, I am straight looking at the company profile, and its level of notability is shown by various RS; it seems to be a notable company to me. I don't think it ever should have been put up for RFD. I've added a note of support to your argument, and I'm going to put some more sources in. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've popped in and added about 8 more RS to the article from some main newspaper mastheads and industry sources. The article is pretty solidly references now, not sure how it could be deleted. As far as I can see, Vmoto is doing some pretty solid work in the expanding electric scooter market, and outside Asia, seems to be one of the front running companies. Deathlibrarian (talk) 00:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Deathlibrarian, your support is greatly appreciated. I'll try and alert a few more of the Wiki editors who were supportive of the page so that they know what is going on.


 * I'm not sure what to do about that dodgy UPE tags on the Super Soco and Revolt pages. I've actually pointed out to the editor in question that the basis for the UPE tag is nonsensical. He responded by stating  Let's hold the horses and wait for others' assessment. In other words, even this combative editor doesn't deny the UPE tag is questionable!. I note, however, he still hasn't taken them down, as he knows well that a UPE tag is the surest way to kill off a Wiki article (or three). Maybe I'll try to refer the issue to dispute resolution. Inchiquin (talk) 15:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Its like that wikipedia editor is going on a deletion rampage. Super soco is one of the main electric bike manufacturers, and I think it has the biggest sales of electric motorcycles in some European countries... I've seen articles comparing the super soco bike to the electric harley as the two main bike. Deleting the page is a bit ridiculous. I'll add a few more articles to it, there's plenty out there. Good on you for all the work you've put into this so far. By the way, I'm a rider, so I have an active interest (and some practical knowledge) in the area.Deathlibrarian (talk) 01:54, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks Deathlibrarian, I appreciated your support. You've got credibility, and I respect you for it.


 * Unfortunately, it looks as if they've pulled down the Revolt Motors page. They should have never put the UPE tag on that one, it based on rubbish arguments.


 * By the way, it does appear that at least two of those editors are acting in concert. I noticed this below:


 * ''Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Citizen Lab and the Munk School


 * ''This set of AfDs is difficult. Thank you for pinging me. I think that merging is the correct outcome, though you may disagree. The articles have value, but I do not believe any of the three of them have independent notability outside the university Fiddle Faddle 07:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you Timtrent. I was quite skeptical that's why I pinged you and DGG. Now, I'm in total agreement with the "merge" call. -Hatchens (talk) 16:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I found this conversation on this website: https://www.wikizero.com/en//User_talk:Hatchens


 * That Fiddle Faddle guy posted delete requests on all three articles- Revolt, Vmoto, and Super Soco- on the same day, which I found quite curious at the time. I also note that those UPE tags were slapped on two of the aforementioned articles by Hatchens on the 20th of December, the same day as that he was communicating with Faddle.


 * I guess they realised that the only hope they had of pulling down these articles was by engaging in such shenanigans.Inchiquin (talk) 04:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, the revolt motors is gone? was it a speedy deletion and not contested? How long had it been on AFD for? I don't know anything about revolt motors, and really my specialty is Australian business. For me the easist to find material on is Vmoto, that was the simple, there's a bit less on Super soco, and I only had a quick look at revolt. Is it the biggest electric motor bike maker in India? I agree, people slapping on UPE tags where there is no proof is a bit dodgy. Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:56, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi DeathLibrarian- Yes, there was one 'Keep' vote for Revolt early on, however, there were three delete votes after that, including one from Celestine (who nominated Vmoto for an afd) and that Fiddle Faddle person (who also mysteriously placed delete votes on Vmoto and Super Soco on the same day).


 * I was going to place a comment in response to the some of the delete votes on Revolt, but I didn't have enough time, in part because it coincided with the busy holiday period. I think there is a small clique engaging in dirty tactics to bin the articles, I think they know that most people are going to be distracted at this time of year and so they have timed the afd nomination to take advantage.


 * It is worth noting that on Super Soco, both of delete votes have originated with this clique, and it was nominated for afd by Hatchens. In particular, I'm sure that Hatchens and Faddle are working hand-in-glove, the Faddle editor clearly knows nothing about the companies in question and it is pretty obvious he has been given a 'heads up' by Hatchens, which is surely the only reason for his interest.
 * what is that website https://www.wikizero.com/en//User_talk:Hatchens? is that used by wiki editors to have a chat off wiki space or something? Well yeah, I think they should keep the conversation about changing the page transparent. The Vmoto page is the strongest, it definitely shouldn't go, and if it was deleted I would query that seriously with the deleting editor, based on the solid RS on the page. The Super soco page has less references, but there is definitely some RS for it. Deathlibrarian (talk) 04:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikizero is a known repository of Wikipedia. For instance, this discussion can be viewed here. – The Grid  ( talk )  16:32, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yeah, I had a look at it after my comment and realised its some sort of mirror site/archive. Cheers Deathlibrarian (talk) 02:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Motorcycle questions
Hi Deathlibrarian

Thanks for your tireless work on the Vmoto article, it looks like it has now made it through the Afd process. Over the past couple of weeks I have been having to try and defend those three articles on Wikipedia all the while trying to balance all the things going on in my regular life, and it was really quite exhausting, an impossible situation really. It was all the more frustrating given that I don't think there was any good reason as to why any of those articles should have been marked for deletion in the first place. So I appreciate your work.

That aside, there was something else on the same subject matter that I thought I might bring up, though this is of a somewhat less fractious nature.

You mentioned in one of your earlier messages that you were a motorcycle rider. I have actually been looking to get my motorcycle license recently, initially I was hoping to have it by the end of 2021. Things didn't go quite as planned, in part because of the Covid situation. However, I am hoping to have more luck in 2022.

I don't know where you are located in Australia (as I understand, the rules vary somewhat from state to state), but if you have a free minute sometime perhaps I could ask you some advice about the topic and some questions that have been at the back of my mind in relation to the process.

Thanks again, and Happy New Year. Inchiquin (talk) 00:15, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Inchiquin happy new year to you to!
 * Hey, Wikipedia can be *very* stressful at times, so I completely empathise with you, and good on you for creating articles and putting the effort in, don't let it get you down...the article creation work you are doing is great and very importatn. I could see you needed some assistance there so was happy to help out - ultimately the Vmoto page was warranted so it was good to put some time into it and great it got through AFD. I guess we will see what happens with Super Soco. Yes, very happy to help out with advice on Bike licence, I'm in Oz. I've only had my current one for about 2 years, but I did have one a while ago. I's more a scooter guy, so I know them very well. Specifically, I ride old classic geared vespas, I don't have a motorbike .... but I have an interest in bikes.Deathlibrarian (talk) 01:10, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Deathlibrarian, sorry about my delayed response. I decided to take an extended 'Wiki break' for a couple of months as I felt compltetely burnt-out after that lengthy (and ultimately, I think rather stupid) dispute over those motorcycle pages.
 * I've actually been meaning to get my motorcycle license for a while, however, where I live, you are required to do a specific course called 'Stay upright' before you can do the 'Ls' test. However, I have found that the course is always booked out weeks in advance. Strangely, I noticed that even over the covid lockdowns last year the course was booked well in advance.
 * Beacuse of this, I've been debating whether I should just go for a high-end e-bike rather than the motorcycle option, however at current I am feeling the motorcycle might be the better option, notwithstanding the diffiuclty in getting a spot in the course.
 * I had a question about this, assuming you have a free second.
 * What I was wondering, in Australia, do know if you are legally allowed to ride a motorcycle on private property while unlicensed? Possibly, the laws might vary from place to place. Inchiquin (talk) 04:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/2015 Nadia riots (2nd nomination)
FYI. You had voted before. Happy editing. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, in the first nomination? Ah, ok, Cheers. Deathlibrarian (talk) 22:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Disagree with nomination for deletion. Autumnlei (talk) 04:36, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I mean, the situation was a bit confusing - its seemed like it was blown up from a riot by some media, and there were local politics involved in the country, that was affecting how it was reported. There certainly wasn't some good solid RS that reassured me about what was going on. Most of the editors voted in the end for deletion. Anyway it's done now. Deathlibrarian (talk) 04:56, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion/Nagindas Khandwal College of Commerce and Economics
I've nominated this article for deletion. As I found that it lacks reliable sources and fails GNG. Kindly review it please Pri2000 (talk) 15:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No probs, I've reviewed that for you. Deathlibrarian (talk) 01:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Christian weston chandler


A tag has been placed on Christian weston chandler requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1038510471. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Deathlibrarian/sandbox


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"Non-malicious recreation of material deleted pursuant to discussion at Deletion_review/Log/2022_February_11"

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 * All good 49ersBelongInSanFrancisco, article is deleted off mainspace, there's no particular need for it to be in sandbox anymore, I've deleted it - cheers. Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:26, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for understanding. Sorry that you put so much work into a page that ended up being a landmine.49ersBelongInSanFrancisco (talk) 11:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No probs, thanks for the empathy. Ah well! Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022
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Speedy deletion nomination of Battle of Techno House 2022


Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, introducing hoaxes, such as Battle of Techno House 2022, is considered to be vandalism and is prohibited. If you are interested in how accurate Wikipedia is, a more constructive test method would be to try to find inaccurate statements that are already in Wikipedia—and then to correct them if possible. If you would like to make test edits, please use the sandbox. Under section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, the page has been nominated for deletion. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges.

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 * Hi Elijahandskip as you have noted in the edit comments, its not a hoax - it's an actual incident - though perhaps slightly bizarre I guess. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't exist on Wikipedia in my opinion, but an admin backed you, so it will remain. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No problem, I guess I can see why you may mistake it for a hoax, it's a bit surreal. Deathlibrarian (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Battle of Techno House 2022 for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Battle of Techno House 2022 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Battle of Techno House 2022 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Rockstone Send me a message!  03:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up Rockstone, I've added a few comments to the deletion page. Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:40, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries! Sorry for putting it up for deletion, but I figure it makes sense to do that now, since it will certainly be brought up for deletion eventually. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  03:42, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
 * All good, yes you're probably right, it seems to be getting a bit of interest so someone else would have nominated it if you didn't. Lots of focus on the Russo Ukraine war articles at the moment. Deathlibrarian (talk) 03:47, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

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Nomination of Russian Kyiv Convoy for deletion
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022
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Removing other user comments
Is against the rules without good reason. I will assume this was a mistake, please take more care. Slatersteven (talk) 10:41, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies Slatersteven, I appear to have deleted your comment somehow when I was updating mine which was just above it... no idea how I did that! Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Formatting mistake on Orania, Northern Cape
Hey Deathlibrarian, just wanted to let you know you put your comment on the Orania, Northern Cape rfc within a collapsable list of sources.

Didn't want to touch your comment, just thought I should let you know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Orania,_Northern_Cape&diff=1082074755&oldid=1082009779#RfC:_What_should_the_first_sentence_be?
 * Thanks for the heads up!I've put it in the right place now - nice one. Deathlibrarian (talk) 10:51, 11 April 2022 (UTC)