User talk:Deb/Archive 24

Page deleted for advertising
Hello Deb, could you please undelete the page Maison Atia. I was editing it as per the notes from user:hitroMilanese. I tried to use the same language that was reflected on other brand wikipedia pages such a Shrimps (brand), Neiman Marcus, Balenciaga (brand). Please assist me in making these edits and getting this page published correctly rather than deleted without a review after I already started making the edits. ```Ajfit0118 ((User talk:Ajfit0118) 10:57, 02 December 2020 (EST)).

Hello Deb, Can you please reconsider your decision of deting the page titled " Malik Sumeed". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:5502:C04E:187E:DCE3:6925:8F58 (talk) 05:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Glen Mpani
Hello Deb, could you please undelete this page so that I can correct the NPOV? (Stephkapfunde (talk) 19:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)).

CSQ Research
No idea what you are talking about re Creative Clinic. I don't edit Wiki because it's an arcane system - which probably explains the wrong report. My massive 124 edits reflect the fact that the system is rubbish and that's an absolutely fair statement. Wikipedia does have pages for think tanks, definitions - including WAOH (an econometric library), CSQ Research, and explanations of authors and contributions. Why you have written what you wrote about a four-year-old quote is inappropriate if I'm not misreading it. Surely had it not been deleted, I would have spent more time composing a proper explanation of the dozen and more Sustainable Societies Programmes we curate. WHAT INCENTIVE IS THERE WHEN SOMEONE DELETED NEAR ALL OF THE PAGES I EVER COMPOSED? None whatsoever - so I started with something simple. I've written 40-articles and six 600-page theses in the last few years, I'm quite certain I can put something together helpful once untethered. --Edtilley4 (talk) 06:36, 4 September 2020 (UTC) --Edtilley4 (talk) 06:42, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid the issue here is that you have misunderstood what Wikipedia is. It's an encyclopedia, not an outlet for original research. I doubt that Encyclopedia Britannica would have published your contribution either. Deb (talk) 06:57, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

CSQ Research exists; and its programs exist - which amounts to grounds for documentation on Wikipedia. Your judgement in this discussion appears to be qualitative and subjective, ignoring quantitative and therefore scientific reality? Politely I'll restate a request that you reinstate this legitimate listing, and should that polite appeal fail again I'll escalate a legitimate concern for your current status as a moderator at any encyclopedia - or society for that matter, considering the importance of any legitimate research and science dedicated to turning around collapse in a collapsing world. Not everyone is well suited to authority, as it requires the ability to introspect and decide ourselves wrong once in a while. Edtilley4 (talk) 11:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You see, you're still confused about what Wikipedia is for and how it works. You're completely incorrect in saying that "CSQ Research exists; and its programs exist - which amounts to grounds for documentation on Wikipedia." No, it absolutely doesn't. If it did, every single entity, object and person that exists would qualify for a Wikipedia article. But by all means do escalate. Perhaps when everyone else tells you the same thing, you'll start to understand. Deb (talk) 15:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment. The editor who interacted with me above has subsequently objected to my removal of spam links from his contributions and described me as "an over-zealous admin, with questionable mental state". I leave this here so that would-be administrators can follow the series of events and understand what they could be up against when they become admins and attempt to do the job properly. Deb (talk) 07:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing Claim
Hello Deb, I have been working to create an informational record of this company, I have been finetuning the copy that I wrote in it's entirity and any copyright claims are absurd if you look at the source. None of the people here seem to actually provide substantive assistance or recommendations other than flagging this as a problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smistry.hsb (talk • contribs) 12:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Asking for help to unprotect draft page
Hello Deb,

Please see my request for creating the (now protected) Draft:Codacy page. I wish to iterate on the draft until it is considered good enough for a WP:AFP process.

Thank you in advance for your time.

Paulo Ribeiro 16:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prcr (talk • contribs)

Melon AD - speedy deletion contested
Hello! You have deleted my page about the company Melon AD. I have been researching Wikipedia and there are numerous company pages (ex. VMWare, Hubspot, etc.). Why are you deleting my page? You seem to use the promotional restrictions rule but this is a false argumentation. I have removed all the promotional content and the page was purely informative. The company has nearly 20 years of history, has international OEM companies as partners (Nokia, Microsoft, etc.) and has numerous awards. All this was referenced in EXTERNAL sources as per the guidelines. Why are pages about some companies allowed and pages about other companies not allowed? I see that there are numerous complaints on your talk pages (not only yours but other editors, too) that you are picky about deletion. Before deleting something, wait for the author to reply/explain/contest. This is supposed to be a proper discussion. Once again - why did you delete my Melon AD page when there was nothing promotional on its latest published version? Please, reply because this is not fair. I see no reason to delete the page and keep other "promotional" pages of other companies. If those are the rules, then they should be applied to all such pages. There is nothing wrong to have a Wikipedia page about a company, which has two decades of traditions, numerous awards and not a single link or message that aims to sell in the article. All was purely informative.

Looking forward to your answer. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GDS2020 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Above is an example of someone who has come here to advertise a company and is annoyed because their advert has been deleted while those of their competitors haven't. Someone whose English is poor and who even includes promotional wording in their message complaining about my action. Someone who thinks they are so important that their message has to go at the top of the Talk page rather than the bottom. If you want an object lesson in how not to get your deleted article restored, this is it. Deb (talk) 07:03, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

I have read your disrespectful and petty message. I am really sorry that such characters are editors in Wikipedia. Honestly, I am surprised you chose to act in such a disrespectful manner. I have declared my affiliation with the company I created the page for. I have even stated that when I uploaded the logo. I also stated I am ready to provide any other information that may be needed. My "promotional" content in the objection above is actually a detailed explanation. That's how discussions work. Furthermore, like any other normal human being, I took notes from my first article and edited the second draft accordingly. I can admit when I have made a mistake. We never stop learning.

One thing I will not tolerate (and no one else should tolerate) is false accusations and trying to put my name in the dirt. Please, acknowledge your role on this website and in this community. You have certain duties. I am afraid you have failed to step up on numerous occasions (check your page for references). My question about having articles on other companies, which are clearly promotional, remains unanswered. Why are you afraid to provide answers to specific questions? Once again - I have seen messages from other users complaining about the same. It seems you need to address your lack of adequate judgement. Insulting people on the website is not mature. Insulting my English... Well, that is just hilarious. Please, for the sake of Wikipedia, adjust your attitude because being insolent is detrimental to this community. I no longer wish to have anything to do with you and the entire process. I will address this the proper way. I wish you clarity. I also wish everyone else, who was improperly penalised by your actions, better luck and just results in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GDS2020 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I've examined both versions of the article you wrote about your company, and they were both written like marketing brochures and not like encyclopedia articles. They read like lists of every possible good thing you could think of to write about the company, trying to show how wonderful it is, and not like the neutral disinterested description based on what independent sources say that we would need for a Wikipedia article. If you are in marketing, or you are otherwise closely attached to a company, it can be hard to take a detached view and see it the way others do - you are certainly not alone in that. But the two verisons of the article, as written by you, were not appropriate, and their deletions were correct. Promotion, under the Wikipedia WP:G11 meaning, covers a lot more than just having links or messages that aim to sell. Attacking the deleting admin for doing the right thing is not going to help your case. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Mix-up
Dear Deb,

I am not sure if this is the right place to message you, but I didn't know how else to reach you.

You sent my page to speedy deletion today. Thank you for being so thorough and quick in this, as I had only opened the page yesterday. However, it is very important for me to say that this page was still very much unfinished. It was in a very beginning draft page, and needed a lot more work.

I am wondering if there is a way to recover the page, and for me to able to continue working on it without it getting deleted (until it is ready for publishing). My intention is not to advertise or promote, but simply to inform based on facts about this individual. I have no close contact or relationship with her, I simply want the great platform of Wikipedia to recognize who is she/what she has done.

Thank you for your understanding, and please update me if there is anything else I can do/anybody else I can reach out to.

Best, Dor  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorkatz1 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Dorkatz1 (talk) 11:12, 14 October 2020 (UTC)Dkatz1

Hi Deb,

Just following up on the previous message.

The template that you see is one that I created myself. It is simply my own thoughts/notes on where I should put things on the Wikipedia page. It was a guide I created for myself which I had placed in as I was working on the page. I created the template after looking at other similar Wikipedia pages. I wanted this page to be good, so I looked at similar pages in order to make it the best page that it can be. This is when I created the template.

You asked about my connection with the subject of the article. I have no connection/relationship with her. I have recently returned to my home country (Israel), and was looking at powerful leading women for inspiration. In my search, I found Ghaida, and I decided to write about her and her life/work. I have not written a Wikipedia page before, and decided it would also give me some experience/exposure to it. She is a women that stands for a lot of important things, and therefore I hoped to be able to use this platform to allow other women such as myself to be inspired by her as well.

Let me know if there are any other questions I can answer and whether or not this page can be brought back.

Thank you for your time.

Best, Dor Dorkatz1 (talk) 07:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)DKatz1

Hi Deb,

Thanks again for your message! and I will take that advice.

Just to clarify though, there is no way to retrieve the existing page?

Best, Dor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorkatz1 (talk • contribs) 06:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

CSQ Research speedy deletion
Still here four years after you speedy deleted CSQ Research. The library is a FACT Tank and Econometrics Library -without the patience to navigate Wikipedia's deletions. How to get the website you deleted four years ago back up and listed? Ironically the site solves the problem of unsustainable societies so that it doesn't collapse. Thank heavens you were there to rescue the world from theses that prevent Social and Economic collapse. Clearly, that knowledge and resources couldn't have come in handy this past few years right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edtilley4 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC) Edtilley4 (talk) 05:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

ME TOO DEB NO PROMOTION IM A BLOGGER FRANSISCA SIM JUST STARTING PLEASE RECREATE MY PAGE !!!! Hello Deb

Sorry if this is the wrong place to comment on this, I wasn't sure how else to send you a message.

On 8th July you reviewed a page for Creative Clinic and proposed it for speedy deletion.

I was wondering whether any of the following citations in support of what was written would help to have this reinstated and show that this is news rather than promotion? There are numerous, respected independent publications talking about Creative Clinic and in particular its work on #ClapForOurCarers. Please see the following references:

https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/third-sector-digital-awards-%E2%80%93-best-online-awareness-campaign-creative-clinic-clapforourcarers/article/1690746

https://www.thirdsectordigitalawards.com/results-2020/

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/community-agency-behind-clap-for-carers-initiative-wins-award/

There is also a Wikipedia page about Clap For Our Carers and the impact Creative Clinic's work has had at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clap_for_Our_Carers

In particular this: "Why did it win? By 30 June 2020, the social media reach of the #ClapForCarers campaign included more than 413 million views on TikTok; 553,000 impressions on Instagram; and 1.4 million impressions on Twitter. Leading figures in public office supported the campaign, including the Queen, the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London, and the campaign also benefited from celebrity support, from the Beckhams to Daniel Craig. The campaign was hugely successful in raising awareness of, and pride in, the vital roles that frontline NHS and key workers played across the coronavirus pandemic, with the weekly round of applause becoming a focal point of the initial crisis. The BBC, ITV, Channel Four and Sky News / Sky One broadcasted the applause live for nine weeks."

and also this: "What did the judges say? This work hit at the right time and the right place and people were ready for it,” judges said, praising the coordinated effort to promote Annemarie’s initiative. “The response and reach was massive and powerful. the most effective work here. The Clap for Carers has become part of our culture."

I hope this will allay your concerns. If not are you able to help with creation of the entry in such a way as to be acceptable?

Many thanks for your consideration.

Regarding page sumit arora
Can the page be received for further improvements Khusin26 (talk) 08:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Can the page be retrived back for the further improvements? Khusin26 (talk) 08:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Ref: Sramana Mitra
Hi Deb, this is Saikat; I created the page years ago with a neutral voice and trusted references. She is a notable personality and has multiple references. However, the page had been edited by other users afterwards. Could you please retrieve the page with the version I created. Saikatblogger (talk) 10:04, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, I don't have the bandwidth the create this page from scratch right now. Here are some credible references just in case you need:
 * https://lists.linkedin.com/2015/top-voices/influencers
 * https://www.crunchbase.com/person/sramana-mitra
 * https://www.ted.com/tedx/events/3155

Otherwise, I'll wait for someone else to build the page. Given her huge popularity in the spaces of Technology, Business and Entrepreneurship, I'm sure someone would pick it up.

Thanks for all your help buddy. Stay safe!

Saikatblogger (talk) 11:49, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Linkedin can't be used as a reference. Deb (talk) 14:10, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Ypso-Facto - deleted page
Hello,

You deleted the wikipedia page created yesterday and named "Ypso-Facto" because you found it too promotional. I would like to contest this deletion because the page was neutral and only descriptive: there was no marketing content. Moreover, many companies, working in the same sector as Ypso-Facto, have a Wikipedia page (Apsen Technology, Intelligen, Novasep...). So can I find out why their page is allowed and not ours?

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

With kind regards, Loriane.mcr

Restore CATalyst page
Deb, I was in the process of revising CATalyst's page and Orangemike had restored it minutes before. When you blocked me and deleted it. I have a revised change in my sandbox but I can not publish it because the page is deleted. Could you please revert the deletion of the page and please label the page under construction for me while I fix it? Thank you ALLBN (talk) 16:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)ALLBN

ow do we get someone experienced to give us feedback without deleting all our work? ALLBN (talk) 16:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)ALLBN


 * Use Draft space and follow the guidelines. I checked and there is nothing at all to stop you editing in your sandbox. Deb (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

|coauthors=
With you added a cs1|2 template that included coauthors:

That parameter and coauthor have not been supported in cs1|2 since 29 April 2017. Please use authorn or lastn / firstn for all author names in cs1|2 templates so others don't have to do follow-up repair.

Now that I've taken a closer look, for this particular citation, editorn is more appropriate. Also, since I'm being nit-picky, '... ScottishWomen' → '... Scottish Women', 82 → 82, and for books, 27 June 2007 → 2007:

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

=DEB PLEASE READ='

WHY DELETE MY PAGE DEB !!! GWT MYB PAGE BACJK POLITE PLEASE

it is me user:ninjagokristian

i need you’re help to right draft:Kat Ranch

please deb please


 * Please seek help elsewhere, eg. Teahouse. Deb (talk) 17:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Message
If you don't mind Draft:Madan_Gowri_(Youtuber) is not a advertisement or paid work it's was a incomplete work of Draft:Madan_Gowri and I thought you should delete both drafts Thank You sir.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SUSTAMI (talk • contribs) 09:49, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Gaza Sky Geeks
I think you should restore this page. GSG has received significant and enduring coverage over the years. Even if it is a "boring" page, it fullfills Wikipedia's notability criteria.ImTheIP (talk) 17:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Maybe you didn't notice the reason for deletion. Deb (talk) 18:28, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion notice
Hello Deb, a discussion involving you is open at Village_pump_(miscellaneous) - please stop by when you have a moment. — xaosflux  Talk 20:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Jonesy & Amanda Deletion
You deleted the wikipedia page created named "Jonesy & Amanda" because you found it too promotional. I would like to contest this deletion as it is taken directly from their show website. It is not marketing at all and is about a radio show. All statements were cited and taken directly from the sources provided. It follows the same format that competitive shows Kyle & Jackie O, Jase & PJ, The Christian O'Connell Show and Kate, Tim and Marty. If their shows can be made into wikipedia pages (and are newer than Jonesy & Amanda) then why can't this one? Pseudonymname (talk) 23:26, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Will Abi Rafeh and Krystle Couso Deleted Pages
Hi Deb! Thank you for your help. Recently, the pages for Will Abi Rafeh and Krystle Couso were deleted for being promotional. And when I try again to create new pages for them with better objectivity it tells me to contact you first. How do I go about resubmitting articles for these pages? Thank you! EIMBC (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)EIMBC

Please Back My Account
please unblock my account My user name SUSTAMI or give me reason and don't delete my ex account without reason --IMNOTV 16:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I haven't blocked you and I don't know what you are talking about. Deb (talk) 17:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Deb but Showing "This account is globally locked." --IMNOTV 17:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Still nothing to do with me. Deb (talk) 17:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

mihlali
Hi i am creating this and the best publisher award this event will take place on the 14th of August 2020. Please send your story to me thank you

Regards Mihlali

Sobayi (talk) 15:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC) 

FRANSISCA SIM I NEED TO RECREATE MY PAGE ITS NOT PROMOTING DEB ITS MY OWN PAGE AS YOUTUBER — Preceding unsigned comment added by LienChing19811 (talk • contribs) 10:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

Before I write this article I had a research and the information of this article is informative. Please check the public reviews from different angles that I have mentioned in the article. There is no any promotional content in the article.

As for the following article you mentioned “ Rebecca Brown (missionary)” first, this article contains wrong information. For example it says Rebecca Brown(missionary). But, Rebecca Brown Yoder was not a missionary second, the link “Rebecca Brown (author)” directs to Australian author which is totally different person.

Because of the above reasons I ask you today undo "Rebecca_Brown_(Yoder),_M.D." from the deletion.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joedav (talk • contribs) 03:39, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

DOY guideline ignorer
Hi Deb, Could you have a chat with this editor?   It appears my previous attempts to convey the point,  and  have gotten as much attention as the edit notice on the pages. Thanks! Toddst1 (talk) 00:43, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Deb. I appreciate your note here but the problem persists: . Might you have a look again?  Toddst1 (talk) 19:44, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Your, Deb, information.
Hello, Deb! You wrote 10:50, 27 July 2020 (UTC) me: "".

What about my topic you wrote?

Sincerely, Oleg K. Abramov (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Review of Paletzorg page
Hello Deb, Thank you for your quick reaction! And compliments and thanks that you do such great work for Wikipedia, that is much appreciated. I’m a big fan of Wikipedia and apparently, I did something wrong, my apologies. I just wrote my first Wikipedia page, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paletzorg, and added the Paletzorg logo to it. In my Sandbox I tried to create an English version of it. I very much agree that I should not do ambiguous advertising and that I should not infringe copyright. Both are not my intention and I certainly don’t want to create spam. I am founder and chair of Paletzorg and I simply would like to add it on Wikipedia, not as an advertisement, but just as neutral info. Paletzorg exists for quite some time, it is quite well known in the North of the Netherlands and it is a non-profit group (I’m a volunteer, for example). To confirm my role and the fact that I’m the owner of the Paletzorg logo, I just sent an e-mail to Permissions-Commons using the Interactive Release Generator and I also created the page www.Paletzorg.org/copyright.htm, as an additional confirmation. How can I prove to Wikipedia that there is no copyright issue and that I approve that the info that I provided is published on Wikipedia and that I try to (and intend to) comply to Wikipedia copyright and Commons regulations? Can I for example add a sentence like “The text of this website is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution -Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License” to the Paletzorg Wikipedia pages? And maybe add that I’m the founder and chair of Paletzorg? In my own Sandbox I’ve created a new version, in which I’ve deleted a lot and added the sentence on the license. I hope that this is better and I hope that I can somehow obtain approval from Wikipedia to publish something about Paletzorg. Thank you very much for your reaction and your help! Best regards, JacobMulderNL — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacobMulderNL (talk • contribs) 15:54, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Single Organizing Idea
Hello Deb. We were in the process of curing the draft article to meet the Wikipedia notability standard when you deleted it. Should I start over with new article or would it be better for you to reinstate the earlier article and I can add the missing references? Davidbonbright (talk) 11:58, 23 August 2020 (UTC)Davidbonbright
 * , Deb has already addressed this clearly on your talk page. I suggest you read WP:N and WP:COI for information on our notability and conflict of interest guidelines. Glen (talk) 12:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't understand Glen's comment. I've read the relevant guidelines. I can cure the problems with the article. My question is simply how to do that - to resurrect the deleted article or start over. I can also address the apparent conflict of interest, which is in line with Wikipedia policy. Davidbonbright (talk)davidbonbright
 * I've responded to your question on my talk page. Glen (talk) 14:35, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Fast Buds Seeds - speedy deletion contested
Hello, the Fast Buds Seeds page I have created was deleted. I completely understand the motives and want a chance to edit it so it complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Is there any way I can access it or create a new one? Enzoschillaci (talk) 13:43, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Eugene Scalia dispute
I closed a request at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard by an unregistered editor. I am not entirely sure what the filing editor wants, but they are saying that you already made some sort of ruling as a neutral moderator. The dispute may need ignoring. The article may need semi-protection. Maybe they really have a valid complaint that they are not expressing in English. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Why was this user blocked for webhostblock
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Queen_Buragohain86 when webhostblock is not for registered user but for IP addresses 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 10:28, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No idea what you are talking about but I suggest you leave the advice on blocking for administrators. Deb (talk) 11:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

September Women in Red edithons
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

you didn’t approve my article and deleted it
Please approve and in delete TOYBOX labs 3D printer article. It isn’t advertising. If you think it is please change it then. I have no affiliation with them. !! 72.134.103.166 (talk) 20:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Article deletion Reply
Hello Deb, now that I have read the article on COI, I will refrain from further action regarding the article on Salem Kolleg, since I live in the same town and am friends with a staff member employed there. Nonetheless I would like to mention that I was not paid to write up or post the article! Kind regards, --Baekemm (talk) 18:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Molière
You changed the first sentence from "Jean-Baptiste Poquelin (baptised 15 January 1622; died 17 February 1673)" to "Jean-Baptiste Poquelin (15 January 1622 (baptised) – 17 February 1673)" with the edit summary: "bring intro into line with bio standards". Where does it say this is "standard"? --Robert.Allen (talk) 19:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Robert.Allen. Manual of Style/Biography gives the standard layout for the opening paragraph. Normally you would only include the words "born" or "died" if you only have one of those dates. For living subjects, "born" is used. For dead subjects, where you don't know their date of birth, "died" is used. But where you know both birth and death dates, "born" and "died" are superfluous. "Baptised" is sometimes added for clarification, where there is doubt about the actual birth date, and there's no convention that it should go within the brackets at all, which is why it's more usually done like this. But you could equally well put in an explanatory comment and clarify within a later sentence. Deb (talk) 20:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Deb, It appears MOS does not give specific guidance on this. I have been looking for it, but have never found any. I did a Google search of the Wikipedia. I found several articles with the format you used, but also as many or more with, for example: "George Insole (baptised 5 December 1790 – 1 January 1851)". Personally, I do not like using parentheses within parentheses so would prefer the latter. Would you find that acceptable? --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Since I left the above comment, I checked The Chicago Manual of Style, 16th ed., which on p. 337 recommends against using parentheses within parentheses, and found that it also adds: "British style is to use parentheses within parentheses." Perhaps this cultural difference accounts for some of the variations we find on the Wikipedia: American editors may have a preference for varaiants which don't use them. (English teachers in American schools probably insist on avoiding them.) --Robert.Allen (talk) 06:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Robert.Allen, I imagine you're right. Deb (talk) 07:06, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, since I learned about the difference, I'm more willing to accept your edit at Molière. (If it's OK with the British, then it's OK with me!) Thanks for the feedback. --Robert.Allen (talk) 07:17, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding page "Raju Kannampuzha George"
Hello Deb, I don't see how the page was advertising? I have adhered to all the Wikipedia policy and while I'm new to Wikipedia I did a lot of research and I took reference of many exiting Wikipedia page like "M. A. Yusuff Ali", "Mammootty", "B. Ravi Pillai" etc while drafting my article.

I have linked all the notable reputed websites as the reference to my article and framed the article on a person not on a any promotion of any company, there was only one section of his work where his company was mentioned but that's pretty obvious if we are writing about someone then their work will be mentioned.

Two Wikipedia admins also checked the article and they did minor edits to it but they did not find any promotion or advertisement in that article.

The whole article was around a person and his journey till now. Can you please look into this and if you think that any particular section comes under advertising or promotion then I'm ready to change that section but deleting the whole page was not necessary.

Thanks for all your active contribution to Wikipedia. Stay safe!

--Akhilraj25 (talk) 17:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Deb, I am a student and as part of my social activity, I searched the internet to look up a prominent person around my area. As I noticed many news articles written about him and many notable website articles about him, I choose him and thus created the article. I'm willing to add COI ( that I have mentioned above ) this time on the article talk page and remove any promotional content you thought was present in the previous article also I want you to review the article before moving it to mainspace. if you are okay with this please leave a comment. --Akhilraj25 (talk) 10:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Deb, I have created a new draft page in my sandbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Akhilraj25/sandbox) can you review it. also, it's still a work in progress but I have cut short the content. --Akhilraj25 (talk) 10:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

October editathons from Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:09, 21 September 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

CSQ Research (deletion)
Either the filer will appeal your deletion to Deletion Review, or he won't. (I didn't see the deleted article, and assume that your judgment was correct.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The tone of his messages above should give you a clue to that. Deb (talk) 08:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. Some sort of warrior, not here for the encyclopedia.  McClenon mobile (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your advice.Mengxuan Guo12:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry
Hello, I am the user ElPran68Oficial, I want to apologize for having created my own biography multiple times, I'm really sorry, I just wanted to create Diepiify's, but I I should never have created my own. I also asked to change my username on Spanish wikipedia, but they have not responded to me yet, so I resort to asking you for my unlocking on your wall.

190.36.4.112 (talk) 20:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, that last thing this user wrote isn't true: as you can see here, this user never asked to change his username, or did any other edit in the namespace "Wikipedia". By the way, I'm an administrator in the es.Wikipedia, and I'm going to block this user there, because of his refusal to changing his user name. Have a nice week. --Marcelo (talk) 02:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

GDC Technology Limited
Howdy Deb,

I was astonished to find my first edit page of "GDC Technology Limited" deleted by you for reason G11, namely "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I am an avid follower of digital cinema, and thus have been following GDC Technology for years since GDC has contributed to the world's cinema during its transition from 35mm film to digital cinema. Everything I had written is factual information without any mention or promotion of GDC's products or services. Moreover, I used very reputable and accessible news references such as Bloomberg, Reuters, Variety and The Hollywood Reporter to support my contributions. Regarding how I "moved from draft without attention to review comments", I did in fact reply user "1292simon" on my Talk page.

I would be grateful if you could enlighten me what was considered as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" in my deleted contribution.

Justanotherwikipediauser (talk) 16:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Do you mind sharing the results of your investigation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.3.80.19 (talk) 16:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

L'Internaute
You deleted this page which was a translation of its long-standing French wikipedia page.

This is fine.

You did not like its tone and thought it was promotional. This is fine too.

I can amend it so it does not offend your sensibilities.

Could you please post it to my sandbox.

Thanks XavierItzm (talk) 14:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)


 * It's now here. Deb (talk) 15:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

MyQ solution deleted page
Hello Deb, I hope this message finds you well. I don't mean to cause any inconveniences but I would like to address the deletion of the "MyQ solution" article. I would like to mention that I posted a similar message on the talk page of the "speedy deletion" page of the article.

Albeit this is my first attempt at writing an article, I tried my best in using neutral language and unbiased sources to reference every piece of information found in the article. There was a previous occurrence of the page being labeled promotional, and have I tried amending the page to better fit Wikipedia's guidelines (guess it was not enough). I have read through the "Neutral point of view" page that you linked me too, the only part of the "MyQ" article where I believe it could possibly contain some sort of leaning is the introductory summary at the top of the page.

I am still learning the ropes around here so I would sincerely appreciate it if you would kindly advise me on two things:

a) What made my article promotional?

b) I do not want to waste people's time in the future; would you recommend I get the article reviewed? I admit I did not do this previously, my confidence was founded in me using other live articles of similar organizations as guiding examples to model after.

The previous deleting administrator listed some problems; I could address all but one (which really stood out in my eyes). They mentioned that the page suspiciously followed a structure similar to how a user with a strong COI would create an article i.e. someone strongly affiliated with the organization. I have stated my possible COI to the previous deleting administrator and they determined that I do not have one. Your opinion might differ, so, it is as follows: I joined this community and contribute in a direct manner because I want to show my appreciation for all the good it has brought me and the personal fulfillment I would feel if I did the same for someone else. I decided to write my first article haphazardly on this particular subject and company because I am familiar with this company through my father (who works in another company in the printing industry) and my university uses their product. I cannot further explain the machinations of my brain to have had this fresh in my mind when I decided to create this page, nonetheless I thought the company was noteworthy enough to have an article about them. When I was creating the page, as mentioned previously, I used articles that are currently live and are very similar to the subject matter as examples to follow (namely other printing company pages like "ysoft" or "equitrac").

Again, sorry for any inconvenience and if I rambled a little bit. Thank you for your patience and time and hope you will dispel my queries, warm thoughts, Rami9610 (talk) 11:36, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you Deb for your prompt response and advise. Could you please recreate it as a draft in my sandbox so that I could submit for a review? Rami9610 (talk) 12:40, 2 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That's unfortunate, I would have been able to pick up where my language was inadequate. Nevertheless, God bless you and my sincere thanks for your time Rami9610 (talk) 13:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail

 * Thanks, I've received it. Deb (talk) 09:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, @ should I mention them in the merger request or should I leave message on their talk page about merger request ??. Thanks WhiteFalcon1 (talk) 03:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Re: West Block Blues
You were requested because rival club fans have tried to vandalize and disrupt the page multiple times. I didn't mean to be aggressive, but there are a lot of disruptive editors who use this as a person vendetta. Coderzombie (talk) 09:47, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi I want to work again on CameraLk draft which you deleted. Is it possible for me to get back the draft ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laksisi1997 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Modest Fashion Week
Hey Deb,

I wanted to ask about the deletion of the page I recently created, Modest Fashion Week. I believed it was written according to the Wikipedia guidelines. I wrote it in a way that it was packed with facts and backed it up with numerous sources. Also used similar existing Wikipedia pages like New York Fashion Week as reference. I'm really lost on what kind of changes I need to make to be able to publish the page and would greatly appreciate if you could guide me (please keep in mind I had already read the guidelines prior to creating the page). Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emrah Altay (talk • contribs) 11:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey is it possible to restore the draft of Anushka Gunasinghe page ? I'm going to work on that again by editing things out. Would be a great help if you can restore this page :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laksisi1997 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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took your advice
Deb, I took the advice and thoroughly edited down the draft article originally submitted. Should I resubmit for approval now or are there restrictions? PHeleneCox (talk) 10:53, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding modifications to semi protected page
Hello, I am writing this to seek your guidance and support to modify one of the semi protected pages on - "Viswabrahmin".

Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishwakarma_(caste)

I have relevant research content to make changes to this page. But since it's s semi protected page, I don't have access to make necessary changes.

It is automatically being reverted when I am trying to make changes to this page.

Can you let me know if you have access to make modifications to this page? If yes, let me know if you are willing to make the changes given, I provide you with relevant content and sources. Krishna 050493 (talk) 17:41, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Draftify
Hi, could you please move Aries Vismayas Max to Draft:Aries Vismayas Max?--2409:4073:2097:12C9:C163:90B0:93B7:A4B9 (talk) 10:10, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not much point in that - it's already been deleted. Deb (talk) 11:12, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Could you do that. I would like to completely rewrite it. 2409:4073:2097:12C9:193B:D09F:4CA4:CBFB (talk) 11:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi
Hello how are you ? can you review this page and move it to the article if it's ok ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Researcher_Ahmed_Maslamani/sandbox thank you --Researcher Ahmed Maslamani (talk) 12:30, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

FYI
This account was globally locked a few hours ago, it's a spambot so the COI/paid warning isn't going to do much ;) Praxidicae (talk) 14:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Question about a page deletion
Hello Deb,

I am writing to request help about a situation regarding a deleted wikipedia page. The page for Crystal Johnson (singer) has been in existence for many years. It appeared to me that the prior versions of the article did not do justice to this artist's long standing career. I attempted to find valid, additional verifiable sources to expand the article based upon her contributions in the music industry.

I would like to find an appropriate way to restore the page since the page was completely deleted due to errors unintentionally committed on my behalf. I would be happy to help have it restored to an earlier version from the past.

Any help/guidance you can provide to quickly resolve this would be helpful and appreciated.

Thank you, musiklova67Musiklova67 (talk) 13:14, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

I saw Crystal Johnson perform live in 2011 where I purchased her cd as a fan. Earlier this year, I saw a couple of YouTube interviews which led me to Google her. The Wikipedia article I found didn't seem to encompass the totality of her achievements in the music industry. I was unaware that while trying to add facts, the content appears less than neutral.

I learned of Sam Jonathan Johnson after I saw where they collaborated on a song, which I purchased. I subsequently found out more about him from internet articles.

Please let me know how to have the article restored to a prior revision point, if possible.

Thank you for your assistance.

musiklova67 Musiklova67 (talk) 19:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

I made revisions on the draft and added additional references. I sent it for review, thank you for your help. musiklova67Musiklova67 (talk) 06:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Tagged as advert like
Hello. You tagged an article I created recently as "This article contains content that is written like an advertisement". I assume you would know what this content is. Please may you give an indicator on the article's talk page? I am not sure how to proceed/resolve the issue because, as far as I can tell, what I wrote is supported by the references.

Please may you assist

Ear-phone (talk) 19:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll reply here. Yes I am fully aware that my edit history can be seen. All I am saying is that you tagged and deleted some edits/pages that I made without leaving any message on my talk page, before I contacted you. It can engender a positive editing experience for folks if a message is left. I don't have anything personal at all with you. Like I said I appreciate your edits. If you feel that I have attacked you, I am very sorry - I apologize. I am open to friendship. Ear-phone (talk) 16:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi my friend . I wanted to run this by you. This looks like an edit that needs to be reverted?. Ear-phone (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help . I was going to try and find an appropriately licenced image, like I did for the second last article I created. As you saw, I ran into immediate challenges as soon as I created that music page. What would your advice be? I would like to avoid challenges. Ear-phone (talk) 12:11, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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Pietro Ferraro
Deb,

I really do not understand why you deleted my article about Pietro Ferraro. I have just translated the Italian version of it and added extra information which is referenced. I do not understand what part of the article is "not up to community standard". I understand the fact that being a senior editor for Wikipedia must be extremely time consuming and challenging, but if you could please communicate clearly what I need to do in order to get my article published I would be very greatful. Thanks!

Hwhv (talk) 16:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Diaverum
Could you let me have the article? Its a significant organisation and the article was not advertising. I think I can rescue it. Rathfelder (talk) 11:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Deleted Article
Hey Deb,

You recently deleted an article named Chemcare. I think it's very similar on every level to these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos_Corporation & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_Services & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Blue_Asbestos.

Let me know what you think! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 808Gate (talk • contribs) 20:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I think that: Deb (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Whether they are similar is irrelevant to whether Chemcare should have been deleted.
 * 2) None of them contain the kind of promotional language for which Chemcare was deleted.

Deb So, why not gave a chance to clean it up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 808Gate (talk • contribs) 15:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Sastha Aravind
Hi sir, Can u please clarify, on what basis it is considered promotional. And it is just a draft, why is it being considered as a full fledged article? Vasudharini (talk) 14:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

I am unable to view your message, No relationship. I have read the book on Shabarimala.. And following him since the case for entry for women. Vasudharini (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

New version of Printique built
Hi Deb,

I deleted my first draft of Printique's page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Printique and wrote a new one to correct the promotional problems. Could you take a look? Thank you.

Mdempsey126 (talk) 04:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

I removed all external links. Is there anything else I can do to make this publish-able?

Thank you, Mdempsey126 (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

I removed promotional language. Am I closer?

Mdempsey126 (talk) 01:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

I removed all external links to articles/references, like NY Times. should I put those back in? Mdempsey126 (talk) 18:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

I added citations. Can you please take another look? Thank you. Mdempsey126 (talk) 01:30, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Mdempsey126, I advised you to use the Teahouse for queries. If you think the article is ready, please submit for review. Deb (talk) 09:42, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

The Biber Protocol
Hi Deb, you deleted my page The Biber Protocol and I would like to have access so that I can improve it for publication. Would you please make it available to me? Thank you. HolSegel (talk) 16:15, 17 November 2020 (UTC) , are you sure? I can't find any record of a page called The Biber Protocol. Deb (talk) 16:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Here is what I see when I try to go to my page to edit it... Hello, I'm Deb. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.Deb (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Is there a page titled User:HolSegel? I thought I changed the title...but maybe I don't know what I am doing...Thank you for your patience with me. I really want to revise this to meet the standards. If you can't find it, then I guess I should just start over?HolSegel (talk) 14:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)


 * , That's your Talk page you are looking at, a page you started on 27 October. You also have a User page, which you started on 20 October. If you want to create a new article, I recommend you read Articles for creation and start your article as a draft. Deb (talk) 14:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Deb, I had an article about The Biber Protocol and you deleted it. It was first in my Sandbox and I read the Articles for creation document and much more. I published the page/article and I don't know if I goofed up on the naming but it was on Nov. 4th or 5th and you quickly tagged it. You felt it was too promotional so I wanted to make it more neutral; however, it got deleted. How do I access it again?

Deletion of Daughters of Mary, Mother of Healing Love
Hi sir, Can u please clarify, on what basis it is considered promotional.Its a significant organisation and the article was not advertising at all. If we are thinking of that way you shoud remobe Microsoft page Apple page, Franciscan Order etc. You can change my post but why you removed that???? For example you did not romove Daugther of Mercy(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughters_of_Mary), no sources at all. I had sources and everything. I can edit that arcticle but you removed that. Vegetassj44 (talk) 01:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Vegetassj44, let's take these points one at a time:


 * 1) "Its a significant organisation" - you haven't demonstrated that with independent sources. See Notability.
 * 2) "the article was not advertising at all". The article was promotionally worded and did not conform to the Neutral point of view guidelines.
 * 3) "you shoud remobe Microsoft page Apple page, Franciscan Order etc." That is a specious argument. We remove bad articles because they are bad. It doesn't follow that we remove all articles that aren't perfect. If you check out those articles, you'll find a huge difference in quality between them and your article.
 * 4) "you did not romove Daugther of Mercy". The article you pointed to was "Daughters of Mary", not "Daughters of Mercy". On checking I found that it was a very old article, created in 2006, and referencing was not mandatory at that time. It is now, but in any case I have redirected that article after you pointed it out.
 * 5) "I had sources and everything." Your sources were primary sources, which don't count towards notability.
 * Furthermore, it's obvious that you copied the wording of your article from elsewhere. There's a massive difference between your poor use of English in this message and the standard of the English in the article. We do not allow copying.
 * I see that you have recreated the article. It's not wise to do this when you know that your article has already been assessed as not fit for inclusion. I have moved it to Draft space, where you can work on fixing it before submitting it for review. Deb (talk) 03:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

We do not allow copying - This is a lie and a slander. Find the place from which I copied,, how you can make such accusations. You should be punished for lying. Where you can report you ?Vegetassj44 (talk) 04:45, 19 November 2020 (UTC)


 * You're telling me that the person who wrote this sentence: "If we are thinking of that way you shoud remobe Microsoft page Apple page, Franciscan Order etc." also wrote: "They surrender the entirety of themselves to Jesus through Mary’s Heart, becoming so united and identified with Her that they manifest Her maternal presence wherever they go." ? Pull the other one. Deb (talk) 08:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

This is actualy written by the same person.Vegetassj44 (talk) 20:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Anyone reading this will be able to draw their own conclusions. Deb (talk) 09:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Sutton-in-ashfield
Hi

Please can I ask why has the Sutton in Ashfield wiki page has been blocked? It appears there has been issues with it. I have noticed changes were made by yourself.

It is evident this page needs to be addressed. DavidAshfield1 (talk) 09:56, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Sutton-in-ashfield
Thanks Deb, the information in the Wikipedia page is really good. And clearly who ever has written the wiki page has spent time in researching. I will edit other wiki pages and then support the Sutton page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidAshfield1 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Rollback?
Was this intentional? Alexbrn (talk) 13:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message
You didn’t really answer any of my questions, not that I was surprised. Care to give it another go? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:4A43:50FF:6792:CD14:22CC:2777:1A43 (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope. Read Citing sources, Reliable sources and Days_of_the_year. Deb (talk) 15:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I put four perfectly reasonable questions to you, one of which from memory was why does one article with over 40 citations need more to you, when other date pages average between 10 and 20 and have no such template, and I also asked that if so; could you point out exactly which section needs more cites (which would be helpful to all of us) and for what reason? Just directing me to another page isn’t going to answer any of those questions. Will you provide a reasonable justification as to why? Or is it that you think just because you’re an admin means you can go around treating pages and other users in any way you want? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:4A43:50FF:6792:CD14:22CC:2777:1A43 (talk) 15:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

And while you’re about it, can you also kindly explain why all 25 sources had to be removed? Were all of them unacceptable to you, having read through and evaluated all of them in detail? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A04:4A43:50FF:6792:CD14:22CC:2777:1A43 (talk) 15:27, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I take it from the fact you’ve conveniently decided to ignore my questions that it is true: you do think you can abuse your power and do whatever you like. Isn’t it people like yourself who do this site down and question the integrity of administrators as a whole? Since you are unprepared to justify your previous actions I will leave it there and I will leave it to someone else to fix the page concerned’s errors, however I think it will be abundantly clear who is in the wrong here since it appears I am not the only one you have offended on this website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:B43B:6100:FCDD:BD8E:FEE0:4940 (talk) 11:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Indeed, I've "offended" lots of people who won't take the time to read the guidelines themselves but expect other people to spend time clearing up after them. And you're right, it will be abundantly clear to anyone reading this who is "in the wrong" here. Deb (talk) 11:52, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

China Chana
You've deleted a page dedicated to a Spanish music group from Zaragoza, that has awards and two albums. Although, how many awards did Sex Pistols have? They issued just one album. The China Chana project is complete and of high quality. I'm not even from Spain. I'm not even from a Spanish-speaking country. Yes, I have interviewed them along with many others, but that was exactly for the group's quality. If that's an affiliation, it only speaks in favour of writing an article on them in wiki. For now you seem to be just a censor who guards interests of the English-speaking music industry. Did you even try to listen to the group a page of whom you speedily deleted? You didn't. That means you are not professional and do harm to wiki and its English-language users. But obviously nothing can be done about it. Keep up enjoying your power. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chetosco (talk • contribs) 08:53, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

China Chana vs. Sex Pistols
Please, do me a favour, explain how the article on Sex Pistols is within the Wikipedia guidelines, while China Chana's is not. Aren't people like you actually promoting the obvious shit like Sex Pistols while deleting articles dedicated to really decent musicians? Isn't that one of the reasons we all are in deep shit today? I'll take it outside of wiki. It's a serious issue and should be addressed properly. And, please, don't accuse me of personal attacks. You have no more personality to me than a bot. Powerful, though.
 * You're blocked for a week for making personal attacks. I don't need to put up with it. Deb (talk) 11:19, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Sutton-in-ashfield
Hi Deb,

Please please forgive me I pressed the info button without knowing what would happen, I am more than for you to add in what you can. I apologise.

I will change what I can to reflect what you did. DavidAshfield1 (talk) 21:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Sutton in Ashfield
Hi Deb,

I hope your well, is all ok with the wiki page? I have added quite a few references. I dont want to remove any of the citation issues at the top any further advice would be great to improve the page further further.

Thanks DavidAshfield1 (talk) 00:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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I award you......
Hi Deb,

I award you...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doctor (2020 film)
Hello. Just thought I would mention that when you Speedy Deleted Doctor (2020 film), you forgot to close the AfD. Thought I should just tell you that I had done it for you. Foxnpichu (talk) 17:01, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I didn't forget, I just left it for someone independent to do. Thanks for doing it. Deb (talk) 17:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. It was actually my first time ever closing an AfD. Foxnpichu (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The close is listed as A7 but A7 does not apply to films as per WP:A7 ? regards Atlantic306 (talk) 01:32, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, meant it to be G11 but I'm not going to re-do it now. Deb (talk) 08:46, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh, THAT was speedy! Thanks!
That's it. Thanks for deleting that Draft, muchly appreciated. Shearonink (talk) 20:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Your advice
Hi. In the past I created the page Wode Maya, but it got deleted. There is now new info. In 2020, he was named by New African Magazine as one of the 100 most influential Africans on account of his YouTube videos. What is your advice regarding re-creating the page. I believe he is now clearly notable. Ear-phone (talk) 12:31, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Since the article was deleted as the result of a deletion discussion, any new version you create would have to be substantially different from the previous one, as well as having better references and no promotional wording. You need to be aware of this. If you are determined to write it yourself, you will have to do that in draft space as I think the page is protected. Deb (talk) 12:41, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Would you be able to assist me? I could begin in draft space. Ear-phone (talk) 13:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I'm sorry. I am really very busy at the moment and am working on a lot of different things, both on and off Wikipedia. Deb (talk) 13:27, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok . Thank you for your input. Ear-phone (talk) 13:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

about Ahmed AlNeaimy page that you delete sir
I don't know why you are assuming that ahmed is my friend I am writing articles about any person at my country or in Middle east that became famous in his field so the links References are from us France and Spain and that mean he is already famous, please just try to give a look at those references I did not put an Arabic references because you may not believe that Arab is good at the field of programming , this person help by making his tool a lot of people in all the world so if you don't belive in him ok I am just trying to give Wikipedia a very good programmer any way there is a lot of other countries that will respect him thank you any way Hesham Hussain (talk) 12:39, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

again about ahmed
you said "try to hide what you're doing by using different titles, eg. "Ahmed AlNeaimy" and "Ahmed AlNeaimy (programmer)", "

of course I made that after writing to the one that delete the first article and he did not respond, and I wrote to another and also he didn't respond (look at the following talk ) so i made the article with adding (programmer) because the previous one must not be written again Hesham Hussain (talk) 13:15, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mr.Deb .. This is Ahmed AlNeaimy
Good Evening, I need to clarify few things about my Page, and about Mr.Hesham

Please let me introduce myself for you, i'm Ahmed 32 years old, software and web developer I have many services that I've provided and I still providing them to the English and Arab community like other developers who love to share good things with people.

About my page and Mr.Hesham In about 2016 or 2017 .. I created new page by myself using my name "Ahmed AlNeaimy" and Wikipedia rejected my page, to be very honest i don't know anything about Wikipedia rules, and I even don't know how to create a page, simply i followed a video tutorial on Youtube to create the page, after Wikipedia rejected my page I tried to know why and how to fix it, but i didn't find anything can help, so i left it

After that one of my followers created a page called "Ahmed Al-Neaimy" as i remember without even tell me, he just want to help me because i'm helping people, and he sent me the link of that page but Wikipedia rejected it agin and i told him that Wikipedia will not accept the pages and i don't know the reason!

What i want to say in other words: both old pages are created by me and by one of my followers, Not Mr.Hesham i hope if you can check the IP address of the users who created the old pages (if available), and check the IP address of Mr.Hesham you can see it's not same, Even that i don't like to lie at all, but it's important for me to proof what i'm saying to clarify it for you sir.

Before a few days ago, Mr.Hesham contacted me and he asked me to help him to build his new website, after we finished our discussion he asked about my deleted Wikipedia page he said "you have good success products and achievements for the community, why you don't have a wikipedia page yet?" simply, I told to him that i tried to create one, but Wikipedia deleted it and i don't have any experience about Wikipedia pages creation", That was everything he said!

To be honest again, i don't know why he asked me about it, I even don't know that Mr.Hesham is a Wikipedia Editor he is a verified Wikipedia editor and you can check his account here: https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/مستخدم:Hesham_Hussain

He didn't even tell me anything about him identity, I receive daily messages from too many people "i can proof this as well" and i don't ask people who they are, because i know they're followers.

After you deleted my Wikipedia Page that Mr.Hesham created it, he contacted me again, and he introduced himself as a Wikipedia Editor and he said that he want to do good thing for me he really surprised me, and i thanked him about this nice work, after that he said that my Wikipedia page deleted and he sent me the link of this talk, That's why i'm here now.

Dear Mr.Deb I don't know Mr.Hesham, and i didn't know anything about my Wikipedia page, but in the same time i'm really happy to know that someone tried to create a Wikipedia page for me!

I'm a simple person like other people, who love coding and tech and sharing useful things for the community, you can also check my profiles as well "it will be my pleasure" but i didn't typed them here because i don't know if this allowed or not, simply i don't want to get banned, but if you need them i'll send everything.

i'm ready to proof anything you need, and i really hope to hear good news from you. You already know, Wikipedia need to keep having success people all the time .. It would be an honor to be a part of Wikipedia as a person (like Mr.Deb) who did success things to the community.

One of the biggest things i have did for the community is: In 2016, I developed the PanguTeam tool to Jailbreak Apple Devices without computer, (The Jailbreak is completely Legal) I used PanguTeam Tool and developed it to work directly on Safari browser on iOS devices without need to connect Apple devices to the computer, this thing like "JailbreakMe" in the past "2011 or 2012" as i remember.

Since about 2012 until 2016, it's impossible to Jailbreak Apple Devices without computer .. and that's what i successfully did, Since 2016 until now the whole Jailbreak community is using my way, thousands and maybe million of Apple Devices are Jailbroken without computer, please note that the Jailbreak is completely legal in USA, there is nothing illegal ever, and this is my highest priority to do only legal work.

Please check some of websites who talked about my work, English - French - Turkish and Spanish and Arab .. etc sites: 1- 2- 3- 4- 5- 6- 7- 8- 9- 10- 11- 12- 13- 14- 15- 16- 17- 18- 19- 20- 21- 22- 23- 24- 25-

There are too many other sites as well i hope to hear good news from you sir Best Regards Ahmed AlNeaimy Ahmed Neaimy (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Coco & Clair Clair
Hi Deb — unclear as to why you deleted Coco & Clair Clair’s Wikipedia page.

They are a notable pop duo who have charted worldwide and who are verified on all social platforms. I have no affiliation with them.

Please advise, — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamZGolden (talk • contribs) 21:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Season's Greetings


Hello there! Shearonink (talk) wishes you & yours the very best of the season!

Whether you celebrate Christmas, Diwali, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus (for the rest of us!) or even the Saturnalia, here's to: hoping your holiday time is wonderful and - especially -

that the New Year 2021 will be an improvement upon the old of 2020. CHEERS!

Share these holiday wishes by adding   to your friends' talk pages.

(Sent: 04:10, 18 December 2020 (UTC))

Add an article in favour of a friend
Hi Deb, I'm writing an article for my friend who works in a consulting company. I'm not paid to do so and I think the company is authentic and quoted by main media. My last draft is deleted, I submitted a new one with netreual tone. Will I have any issues with it?

Thanks Gin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gingiku1310 (talk • contribs) 09:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit revert
Is it ok that I can revert your edit, since I found a source for it? --🔥LightningComplexFire🔥 (always ping me when replying) 19:21, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Back into draft
Hi, hope you are well! Just hoping you could have a look at my edited version for Ali Behnam Bakhtiar page, and potentially allow me to access draft again? I submitted it for AFC review as well, but got a bit confused, because now I cant add to draft, only draft talk.. So will they be able to review it? Also, if you have any specific tips...? I'm very grateful for your help! Thanks. Stromline (talk) 17:16, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Ultragenyx
the same user Lettler is attempting to speedily delete the article for a second time ! It is not G11 spam, that should be self evident.Grmike (talk) 01:00, 27 December 2020 (UTC)grmike

Many thanks, Deb
You might find this odd, but a thousand-thousand thanks for the Speedy, from June 2020. And best wishes for 2021. - Panclatter (talk) 21:10, 30 December 2020 (UTC) Very intriguing. I hope it helped in some way. Deb (talk) 09:38, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

A New Year With Women in Red!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Thomas Hardy's Ale
Why are you deleting my Page for Thomas Hardy's Ale? It's not OBVISOUSLY Unambiguous advertising or promotion. I have no affiliation except for that I'm a fan of the beer and think it's a very interesting history. I deleted the awards they won so it won't look as promoting as much. I spent a lot of time creating the article and finding sources, so I would appreciate you not deleting it. Rachelskit (talk) 01:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Check out the draft I created. any suggestions? Draft:Thomas_Hardy%27s_Ale Rachelskit (talk) 16:12, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking my advice. If you think it's obviously not advertising, I suggest you submit the draft for review so that others can look at it. Deb (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I made some updates to the page. Please let me know. Rachelskit (talk) 15:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Deb I made some updates to the page. Please let me know.Rachelskit (talk) 16:27, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Danaos Management Consultants
please restore back the 5 year old page Danaos Management Consultants, this is a 30 year old software company and the page existed 5 years already. I was adding an awards section and you deleted without notice says it's advertisement. Why don't you delete ORACLE or Microsoft? Because it's a bigger company or you like to abuse you power? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noelkoutlis (talk • contribs) 14:36, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That kind of attitude will get you precisely nowhere. Deb (talk) 14:38, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Vega Genesis
I am still looking to retrieve the deleted draft material so that it can be referenced and improved upon. It would also be helpful to me if you could include specific examples of violations, because the article was as neutral as possible. Please get back to me as soon as possible.

Thanks again. WikiPub27 (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2020).

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Edit
It’s relevant information as that is the date listed as when the battle began Epicc1235647 (talk) 14:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

AfC draft advice
Hello. I'm not sure what to do with Draft:Pijul. What do you think? 09:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I started that article. Thanks for the review, I've replied in the talk page. Nuempe (talk) 10:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Text Recovery - Dennis Jackson (Coach) Speedy Deletion
I did not read the rules clearly enough not to add the website. I am sorry for that. I was wondering if I could get the text for my deleted page so that I may change the wording. All of the relevant information was there. I am also not sure where the line of advertising is really drawn for this person who has received many professional accolades, including having a celebration day named after them in a particular city. This is a notable person who is listed on wikipedia pages created by other people because of the work he has done, so I thought it made sense to create an independent page for him. I'm wondering if I should just not include accolades or if it is simply due to my wording or posting the website. Thank you, I appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akpakpala (talk • contribs) 22:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

About your reversion on January 6
Per WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM, it's considered good practice to edit instead of revert. About this edit, I can understand why you would want to keep mention of fact that Harold was crowned on the same day. However, per WP:DAYS guideline, entries should not be written in the past or future tense. Hence, I would appreciate it if you could partially undo your reversion, and change the word "will" to "would". LK (talk) 11:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 * On second thoughts, "will" may be appropriate there. I'm of two minds about it. I retract my request. LK (talk) 11:54, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks,, I was just pondering on this myself. The guidelines say, rather clumsily: "Events should be written in the present tense, not the past or future tense." The event itself is written in the present tense in this case. I can't see anything to suggest that the subjunctive should be used to denote what happened later. Deb (talk) 11:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Help
Please send your mail id. my mail id is hihihi7048@gmail.com POTIMANCH (talk) 09:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC):
 * Dream on... Deb (talk) 11:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Archive reminder
Hello. It appears your talk page is becoming quite lengthy and is in need of archiving. According to Wikipedia's user talk page guidelines; "Large talk pages are difficult to read and load slowly over slow connections. As a rule of thumb, archive closed discussions when a talk page exceeds 75 KB or has multiple resolved or stale discussions." - this talk page is KB. See Help:Archiving a talk page for instructions on how to manually archive your talk page, or to arrange for automatic archiving using a bot. If you have any questions, place a notice on your talk page, or go to the help desk. Thank you. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Too true. I'll get round to it soon. Deb (talk) 15:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sounds great, thanks! Sdrqaz (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Vega-Genesis
It seems you have deleted the page for Vega-Genesis. I would like to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, as it took me a decent amount of time and to start all over would be tedious. The article was approved and you nominated it for speedy deletion based on the ground of promotion, but all items in the article were cited and even more sources could be provided if needed. I don't understand what the exact violations were as none of them were specifically listed. Please help with the retrieval so that corrections can be made based on your recommendation, and so that more sources can be added.

Thank You WikiPub27 (talk) 18:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)