User talk:Deb/Archive 8

Apache Wink deletion
Hello Deb. I see that the page on Apache Wink has been deleted. It's an open-source software being developed under Apache Incubator and I was creating a page for it on the lines of other Apache projects like Apache Tomcat, Apache_Abdera etc. Looks like my over enthusiasm for this project has sounded like advertising :). Sure I will rewrite the body of the article to make it encyclopedic. Kindly request you to revert this delete so that I can make the changes. Thanks & Regards, ShivaKumarHR (talk) 21:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Deb, I guess you have reverted the delete because I can see the page now. Many thanks for that. I have rewritten the body of the article and hope that it is more encyclopedic now rather than promotional. Thanks again, ShivaKumarHR (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Bethan James
Sorry deleted the tag by mistake when trying to add in more appropiate references. There are more references available but mostly in Welsh (and mine is somewhat rusty) so they'll need to be added in later. Can you advise further? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misstinkafairy (talk • contribs) 20:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops sorry that was me Misstinkafairy —Preceding undated comment added 20:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for your reply! I'll add in a category now! Diolch! Misstinkafairy (talk) 20:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Loonghi Brotherhood
my original msg Hey deb. After researching for weeks about the Loonghi Brotherhood i sat down to create the wiki in my user pages then i passed it onto live for the public to see (though not completely finished). i have listed reliable sources and plan to list more as i go along. im curious to know what was the problem? Lboys (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

your reply: As far as I can see, though I have nothing against them personally, the Loonghi Brotherhood don't meet any of the notability criteria. And I would suspect from your user name that you have a conflict of interest! Deb (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

my new reply: In that case i'll get more information on recent public events and more information in general. yeah you raise a good point about the username but i made it like that cause i only had the intention of making the wikipedia for them and thats it. tho i use wikipedia alot i never use the features being a user. also, maybe wikipedia could delete the entry but keep it stored for the user somewhere? because right now id be extremely angry if it wasnt for the fact that i got a copy of my entry saved on notepad. Lboys (talk) 01:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

ps how did that little box come around your reply? i checked the formatting and theres nothing special. is it just because its you?

your reply :The thing is that the article can be restored - it's not lost forever, it just can't be seen by everyone at the moment. If you can convince me that the Loonghi Brotherhood isn't just a private club with only 12 members who aren't well-known or anything, I could restore it. And I don't know what you mean about the little box!

my reply: well it just so happens the colloquial term 'loonghi boy' is in the urban dictionary. not an amazing source as for accuracy but it does show notoriety. you shall be convinced. thanks for the help. also when you get a chance, how do we get access to upload pictures? Lboys (talk) 10:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Joan of Acre
Hi, Deb. You've commented on the past on the Joan of Acre page. Some of my students have been at work on her page, and I'd.they'd love to get your comments on their work. Thanks!Redcknight (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Littlenobody
Hi Deb, You previously left the following on the littlenobody article asking for a speedy deletion.

This article is written like an advertisement. Please help rewrite this article from a neutral point of view. For blatant advertising that would require a fundamental rewrite to become encyclopedic - mark for speedy deletion. (February 2009)

If you look at the history of the page it has a previously speedy deletion removed as I understand that articles about a companies, corporations, organizations or groups purely as self promotion will be deleted but this article is a statement of fact. All the information listed has been linked internally where possible and externally to BBFC certificates and Clermont Ferrad film pages etc.

I would like to think the information is of 'importance or significance of the subject' to the online animation community.

I understand that a conflict of interest stands as I am close to the subject and this I am hoping to resolve with the help of another wiki author doing a rewrite.

Please can you explain to me wy you added the written like an advertisement / speedy delete?

Kind regards

k --Kdelirium (talk) 09:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Advice please
Hello Deb, best wishes of the season to you. I am wondering if you can help me with some pointers on what to read on early Welsh history. I bought Kerry Maund's The Welsh Kings, and that's ok as far as it goes, and Davies & Arnold's Roman and Early Medieval Wales, but that's a bit archaeological in focus. If I was wanting to read up on, for example, Hywel Dda or Merfyn Frych, where should I start? Any advice gratefully received, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion of Paul Croft
Hi, this proposed deletion was contested by the (now blocked) article creator. I've raised it at [Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Croft|AfD] instead. Unusual? Quite TalkQu  23:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Raglan
Nice job. I didn't bother tidying up that bit because I considered it rhubarb. Did you see my comments on the Talk Page? (Probably too busy.... I ought to be too.) Peridon (talk) 18:28, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Lissy Trullie
The article shouldn't have been speedily deleted. I added 3 reliable sources with significant coverage! Schuy m 1 ( talk ) 18:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, there was assertions of notability in the article so I really don't understand why it was deleted. I also don't understand why you didn't bother to look at the sources. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 18:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The references are fine per WP:NOTABILITY. Also, all the links worked for me. So you went against the CSD criteria and the notability guidelines. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 18:54, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think I'm going to find more references, yeah right. I am not going to find more references to fit your own personal opinion that goes against the guidelines. Schuy m 1  ( talk ) 19:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk
hello, deb not speak good English, or difficulty, I translated the artist's page from Italian to English, I am a friend of the painter, I have all his books, I searched in Italian as not to copy from the book, I Italian painters seen other pages that have a lot more court (francesco menzio,filippo de Pisis, Giovanni Segantini) does not have "template: cleanup." I tried to highlight the particularity of the artist, not to copy from books. What should I do more to remove the template: cleanup " thanks for your understanding, greetings Labcatal (talk) 23:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

hello, Thanks very much for your help  I subscribe to Wikipedia: WikiProject Visual arts, or already know , I have to subscribe to the list of participants or there is a debate where everyone can see , thanks we are very grateful Labcatal (talk) 16:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The Burning Bush (band)
Hi Deb, I wiki'ed this klezmir band, The Burning Bush, and found it had been deleted by you for reasons of being a 'seemingly non-notable band'. That's too bad, because I would have liked to find information about them. There's the google of course, but seeing as I can see that Wikipedia DID have a stub written about them, I deplore the fact it now no longer is there. -bergamasque (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2009 (GMT+1)

Use of military ranks
Thanks, will make sure to use the name in all future ones. -Iross1000 (talk) 23:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC).

Dani Campbell deletion
Hi there. I'm just noticing that the page on Dani Campbell was deleted. She is pretty notable in the lesbian community (cover story in Curve (magazine), covered in the Advocate etc., as the final female contestant in the bisexual dating reality show A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila and popular spokesperson for LGBT rights.  I don't know what the content of the article was at the time it was speedy deleted, but I believe notablity can be established and survive even a non speedy deletion review.  Regards, Scarykitty (talk) 06:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Deb - if you could restore Dani Campbell, that would be great. Yes, there are references out there. This Curve cover story alone should establish notability and I'm sure I can find a few others. Thanks. Scarykitty (talk) 18:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for experimenting
Hello Deb. I'm sorry for experimenting with the page porch, I really hope that it won't be to any damage for my user account. --Kri (talk) 14:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

14:55, 4 January 2009 Deb (Talk | contribs) deleted "Kelly lynn" ‎ (G11: Blatant advertising)
Can you please let me know why you deleted this page? I started creating it underconstruction, which should give me a few days to develop the content. This artist has recorded the following projects, two with Disney and one with Universal:

http://www.amazon.com/Archies-Christmas-Album-featuring-Veronica/dp/B001DZDTHW/ref=pd_sim_m_3 http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9203543 http://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Beauty-Friends-Original-Soundtrack/dp/B001AUKUZO —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timgrable (talk • contribs) 01:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Replication of results
Hi. You redirected my stub to Experiment, but I think a better redirect target would be Reproducibility. Do you mind if I change it? --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

1995 in music
Could you please review your edits to 1995 in music. It appears there's some malformed wiki markup that has caused a large chunk of content to become invisible. Thanks. -- Whpq (talk) 23:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Verb tenses
Hi there, I notice that you're reverting the verb tenses in the Years in music pages from the past tense to the present tense. Could you explain your rationale for this? The events obviously happened in the past so the past tense of verbs would seem better grammar. I can't find anything very specific to this in WP:MOS but WP:TENSE generally supports what I'm suggesting. Alchemagenta (talk) 23:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)


 * (response from Deb copied from my talk page)
 * Mmm, I understand your point, but it is quite "normal" to use the present tense in that kind of list of historical events. I think you'd find the same if you looked in a similar list in, say, a magazine.  The year articles started that way and I've always tried to keep them consistent. Deb (talk) 13:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I hope you don't mind me threading the discussion here, it seems easier to follow it that way. Are you aware of any previous debate around this issue? I ask because I don't want to go where many have already been before and I notice that you're quite active in the years lists area. I think that the usage of the present tense in the magazine-type current affairs media, both print and broadcast, is more of a stylisation than accurate grammar and has been adopted by them because it gives historical information a present day currency, as though we're being magically transported in a news broadcast time machine to January 8 in the year 871 to observe Ethelred of Wessex defeating an invading army of Danes. But in normal conversation or prose writing about such events, the past tense is used: "In 871, at the Battle of Ashdown Alfred the Great, then a mere prince of twenty-one, led the West Saxon army of his brother, King Ethelred, in a victorious battle against the invading Danes." Now that I'm delving into this, I'm noticing that there is an inconsistency in tense usage where, for example, an overview is included (past tense) along with a list of events (present tense). I realise that if what I'm suggesting – that historical events listings should be written in the past tense – is broadly agreed with, then the re-editing implications are monumental; but if the principle of the grammar accuracy holds, and I'd welcome informed opinion on that, then perhaps we should also strive to ensure that the English Wikipedia is a bastion of best English language usage. Alchemagenta (talk) 15:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * There are a few separate issues here. The years/centuries with "overviews" tend to be a recent development - which I don't disapprove of, but I think it would follow a different convention in any case.  There is nothing ungrammatical about using the present tense in this context.  The reason we've done it here is as you describe above.  So I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't agree that your proposal would be an improvement.  I am not aware of any debate having taken place - and I'm sure someone would have told me by now if there was any consensus to do it differently.  But by all means start one.  There is always room for improvement. Deb (talk) 19:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I think the debate is worth opening up in a wider forum (any suggestions as to which?). Would you mind if I reproduced a summary of this discussion as part of an opening position? Alchemagenta (talk) 11:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

1997 in music
Hi there. I noticed that you have again deleted the line of text from the Classical music section of the article 1997 in music. In reverting my previous restoration of this text you may not have noticed that my edit summary included a note indicating reference to this on the article's talk page. This questions the deletion of these nine words of text and gives reasons why I believe they should be there. It would be helpful if you could explain your edit by responding to this on the article's talk page (see Explain reverts). Alchemagenta (talk) 11:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Why the deletion
I attempted to add an article to Wikipedia and you deleted it. This is my third try on writing the article and it gets deleted everytime. Why? You labelled it advertising, but it is simply an article about a company. No different than an article about Coke, Pepsi, or any other companies. This was the article about eng-tips.com and tek-tips.com.Lgmagone

Dragon pearl tea- blatant advertising?
Did this someone how come out as advertising because if it did i'am sorry. --WavesofEbony (talk) 19:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Dan Agin
I tried to find more out in Wikipedia about the writer Dan Agin, and ,to my surprise, an article about him from had been already deleted because "A7" - I marvel at the precision of the criteria - in 2007, a debatable action as he is the author of the book Junk Science, a neurobiologist with a publication record in pubmed, visibility as a columnist in the web, and has international recognition. So I placed a brief article in the hope to have more time to enlarge it and that others in Wikipedia could work on it as well. Unfortunately, this article was almost immediately deleted by you, without any attempt at discussion, and so, if you do not restore it, nobody is getting smarter, and the article may have to wait until when his orbituary is written it becomes obvious that the article is overdue. Ekem (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You deleted it without discussion and while the work was in progress; please kindly restore it so the work can continue. Ekem (talk) 23:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read Talk:Dan Agin Ekem (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Schedule
Hello - i am writing to you in confidence. I am expressing concern about the removal of the schedule i placed on 96.4 The Wave. I believe it valuable information & had provided sources. It was reasonable detail. Many other radio stations on Wikipedia have schedules, yet this one was removed. The list of presenters was also removed. Is it ok if i add the structured info back ? Jonny7003 (talk) 20:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

What about the presenters ? They were removed as well. Jonny7003 (talk) 20:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Welshpedia
How do i become a member of "Welshpedia" ? It doesn't let me sign up. Jonny7003 (talk) 20:55, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

User:Kernow
WP:Suspected sock puppets/Kernow was the basis for the indef. Just in case J-man doesn#'t get bck to you in time Fritzpoll (talk) 12:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * To me, it looks like they blocked the wrong contributor. Deb (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you're basing that on - Kernow is the man discussed who was using the other accounts as sock-/meat-puppets. His current unblock formulation is very similar to previous ones that he has used. I suggest discussing with the blocking admin before changing block lengths as everyone suddenly has a deadline! :)  Fritzpoll (talk) 13:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In the absence of a response, I have restored the original block length to give time for Kernow to respond to some reasonable conditions that should be placed on his resumption of editing. Fritzpoll (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if we assume that Kernow is purely innocent, he should have no problem agreeing to avoid editing an article closely connected to himself, and to avoid asking others to edit such articles on his behalf. My unblock conditions are simply a restatement of the good behavior that all editors should follow.  Hopefully he will agree.  I am sorry for any confusion. Jehochman Talk 13:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Assume good faith please
"he doesn't actually seem to do anything except pick holes in other people's articles. I've not seen a single constructive contribution from him" is not the type of comment that I would expect from anybody who assumes good faith. As an administrator, you should be leading by example in your conduct. No need to reply to me, just letting you know that you good do better to assume good faith in that respect. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. The quote was taken from User talk:G-Man. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do with good faith. Edits can be made in good faith and still be worthless. Deb (talk) 12:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that all my edits are worthlesss, or just the ones you disagree with (e.g. date delinking)? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Deb: Del of Martin Investigative Services?
Hi. You flagged/pulled Martin Investigative Services as blatant advertising. The entry had no overtly promotional language or tone, no advertising, followed guidelines, and properly belonged in the [Category:Private detectives and investigators] amongst other entries. Respectfully requesting it be put back up. chernicky (talk) 11:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Rivers
Deb! Yes, in answer to your question on my discussion page thingy- I have been to the exhibition... with you :-P I thought it was interesting timing for the post and then checked your userpage and realised that you were you. I thought my identity would have been rather obvious since no one else is really insane enough to write so much about Rivers!

Kayleigh (or pudupudu)


 * As proof that I have no idea how the technical side of this site works, I'm not entirely sure whether I'm supposed to post replies to your comments on my page on your page or my own (if that makes any sense). I replied to your C.E Fox point on my own page, whether that's right or not. I really should be writing essays right now but I am developing a phobia of metre so came here to seek refuge --Pudupudu (talk) 11:53, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Pride Soccer
I noticed you removed the SD tag from PSA. Why? ttonyb1 (talk) 22:00, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. ttonyb1 (talk) 22:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikirrelevance
I am done with this site. You are contributine to irrelevancee by providing your bias. Let users flag items as spam instead of deleting them. Would have been nice to see the download was spam by reading user reviews before loading it onto my system. You are making this project irrelevant. Please keep this up for discussion, as it is very relevant! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.217.30.70 (talk) 23:52, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * A somewhat baffling set of comments from a contributor who has never had any of his articles deleted! I wonder what he is talking about! Deb (talk) 12:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Why leave some and delete others???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_personal_information_managers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.217.30.70 (talk) 23:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Brain quest
New information has come up at Articles for deletion/Brain quest since we cast our delete !votes, and the nominator now wishes to withdraw the nomination. The nomination cannot be withdrawn, however, unless we three who put in for deletion withdraw our objections to the article's existence. Take a second look at the AfD and see if you still agree with your initial post, or if you're willing to let the nominator withdraw. Thanks. --Dynaflow  babble  03:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Jim Emery
An article that you have been involved in editing, Jim Emery, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Jim Emery. Thank you. andy (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

diff
saw diff, and since I don't know the subject matter I didn't know if was vandalism ... saw that it was page you had edited before, so thought I'd drop you the link. — Ched (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Funny coincidence
Just saw your comment over at the date linking arbitration. Out of curiosity, I took a look at your user page, and noticed your Sassoon Fellowship site. I nearly spilt my cup of tea - seconds earlier I'd been editing this. Small world... — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   00:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Lightbot
Thank you for your kind comments Deb. I like what you say. It means alot to me. Do you also support Lightbot? AdirondackMan (talk) 07:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Webmonkey
On 14 January 2008, you deleted Webmonkey. I didn't see the article before it was deleted, but the references at http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=webmonkey&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnGt=Show+Timeline, including the Washington Post article at the bottom of the Google News page, are probably enough to establish notability. Please consider restoring the article and adding some of the references that Google News found. -- Eastmain (talk) 01:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will be happy to expand the article if you restore the page. Perhaps it would be best to restore the page to User:Eastmain/Webmonkey so that it doesn't get deleted while I am working on it. -- Eastmain (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Jersey opera house
A tag has been placed on Jersey opera house requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. pablo hablo. 18:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that - by the time I tagged it you'd already moved the page. pablo hablo. 18:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Eeeeeeek!!! :) Deb (talk) 18:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Your deletion on Honest Bob's second & eighteen
Maybe I haven't been paying attention to the article, but it does have an artist with its own wikipedia page, Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives. And even if that wasn't the case, it should've rather been nominated for deletion instead.-- F-22 Raptor IV 16:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The band was nominated for deletion before but the result was keep, and the result will most likely still be keep. Who are you? Are you an admin of some sorts?-- F-22 Raptor  IV 20:46, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Michael Matthes
Hi. If someone on wp-EN has rights to see, on the OTRS queue permissions-fr, the ticket #2009021110035154, you have to know that there is no more problem, on wp-FR, with the same page fr:Michael Matthes, which was a copy of http://www.michaelmatthes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=32. But, without access on deleted pages on wp-EN, I can't know if the English page was also a copyright infringement from the same external page. And I also don't know anything about the way, for the author, to see the English article be possibly restored (this problem is not for wp-FR...) Hégésippe | ±Θ± 14:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope that this should be enough, after the restoration : Talk:Michael Matthes. I have added the Template:ConfirmationOTRS, with the link to the French language ticket and a few words to explain. Thanks for your help and the restoration. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 09:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Belated Hi......(In return)
You must think me very impolite. So apologies....

DJ (talk) 04:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Threshold knowledge
You recently deleted threshold knowledge under A7. As I understand WP:SPEEDY, A7 "applies only to articles about web content and to articles about people and organizations", so cannot apply to an article about an idea in educational theory. The article was, admittedly, very much a stub, but one academic citation was given and Google Scholar throws up plenty more, so it seems to qualify to me under WP:GNG. Would you consider reversing your action? It can, of course, go to an AfD if you wish. Bondegezou (talk) 23:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. I have reviewed WP:GNG and WP:SPEEDY and remain of the same opinion as previously expressed: this article appears notable under WP:GNG and ineligible for speedy deletion under WP:SPEEDY. Bondegezou (talk) 19:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To save jumping between Talk pages, I've replied to your latest comment on my own user page: User talk:Bondegezou. Bondegezou (talk) 20:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

This is now at DRV. Stifle (talk) 16:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To complete the story, the DRV unanimously overturned the speedy deletion as being mistaken. The article then went to AfD, which has now closed with a keep decision. Bondegezou (talk) 18:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Just think, all that time and effort wasted because one contributor would rather argue than take the trouble to create the article properly in the first place. Deb (talk) 18:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems to me that "all that time and effort" to which you refer was only required because of your initial speedy deletion, which consensus would seem to consider to have been a mistake. I myself would rather have spent that time improving this or other articles, but the only way to save this article from a mistaken act was to go through these various lengthy processes. That is how things happen on Wikipedia and I do not begrudge that. The deletion review unanimously found against you for the same reasons I wrote at the top of this section, that A7 does not apply, so might I humbly suggest that much time and effort by numerous parties there would have been saved had you engaged more in the matter in the first place? Speedy deletion is clearly a very important tool on Wikipedia, but its successful use rests on its appropriate use. WP:SPEEDY, like WP:AGF and WP:BB, act as policies to guide our actions and I feel sticking closely to those policies would have saved us all much time. Bondegezou (talk) 19:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC) (Comment amended. Bondegezou (talk) 21:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC))
 * As would have been clear to you if you had taken any notice of what I wrote on your talk page, I would have restored the article if you had been prepared to improve it by adding references to support its supposed notability. In the end you were forced to do this because you saw that the article would lose the deletion debate if you didn't do something about it.  So you could have saved yourself and others a lot of trouble by just doing that in the first place.  I do hope that the experience will be a lesson to you next time you decide to create an article. Deb (talk) 20:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for Threshold knowledge
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Threshold knowledge. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Bondegezou (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * you might want to reconsider your statement there, or perhaps send me an email.DGG (talk) 03:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppressed Logic
Can you please explain to me why you deleted the Oppressed Logic article? Also you gave me no notice before deleting it..

ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 01:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I have read that before, I feel they are notable enough for their own article. Vocalist Mike Cyco Locco was also a member of the Angry Samoans, and Retching Red. Drummer, Adam Grant was a member of Creepy and Retching Red. I remember having quite a few references. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 19:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, well I still think the article could just be improved and would appreciate the opportunity to do so. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 19:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks..I'll be working on both articles.. ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 20:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Nothing's Gonna Stop Me
You're partially correct in your untagging of this article, but in my estimation, only partially. It's not vandalism. It's a hoax (which is also covered by the template employed). Despite the big names given, a quick look at IMDB and Google does not appear to indicate this movie exists. I'm not going to just swat the template back on, but I request you kindly take a look for yourself and consider re-adding it (or a hoax template and PROD/AfD?) if you concur. It could be I just missed something, I'll grant. If you have further comment/questions, please reply at my talk page. - Vianello (talk) 20:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for giving it a second look! Please don't think I'm annoyed with you or anything, as I see where you were coming from in removing that template. I should have been more explicit with it. Anyhow, take care of yourself now. - Vianello (talk) 20:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Donut Kings
I'm rather new to the Wiki world and forgive me if I don't do everything correct here. You tagged the Donut Kings pages and the Donut Kings CD pages as:

'''This article may not meet the general notability guideline. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged or deleted. (February 2009)"

'''This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2009)

Please tell me what that means and what I have to do to satisfy that requirement? I read the article on it, but it's so confusing it might as well be in another language. The band is a notable band and has national and international releases, is on iTunes, Walmart.com, Amazon.com and a ton of other NOTABLE websites. Please help me out on this.

Taliesyn1 (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Catapult C
Hi Deb, I saw you deleted the Catapult C page due to 'blatant advertizing'. Do you have Wikipedia guidelines for adding pages describing software products? We tried to use the exact same model as these two product pages: Norton Antivirus and iPod, by not making any claims but rather just stating facts on the functionality and what enhancements were announced based on published sources not from the EDA vendor offering the product.

I realize that Electronic Design Automation (EDA) software is a more specialized industry (chip design and verification) than some of the consumer areas like antivirus software and MP3 players, but in general we are trying to add more Wikipedia content on the EDA terminology and landscape as we see in other areas of the semiconductor industry. EDA in general is behind other areas with regards to Wikipedia - and has some catching up to do.

If there is a link that you can refer me to, or specific content on the page that was offensive, we will see if we can redo the page according to guidelines. My apologies if we inadvertently did something against guidelines, we really tried our best to match what the other product pages did.

I will check back here or you can talk to me on my talk page. Thanks. Mukis (talk) 04:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

BookRags
Hi, Deb. Could you please restore BookRags and move it to User:Cunard/Article/BookRags. I want to work on rewriting the article before taking it to WP:DRV. By the way, I'm asking you this because I saw you in the deletion log. Thank you so much! Cunard (talk) 23:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Catapult C Repair
Hi Deb. Thank you so much for the response on my talk page.

Before I ask you to restore the article for me to repair, can you please answer 2 questions about 'independent sources'?

1. Is it okay to cite references to articles and paper that require registration to access? There have been conference papers presented on the topic, but many of them require a (free) registration to the conference website or for people to be part of that engineering organization (IEEE) to register and read. I checked the Wikipedia sources guidelines and could not find the answer to this. I would imagine some of Wikipedia pharmaceutical entries may have similar issues with access only to abstracts vs the actual documents...?

2. I had included references from independent, respected electronics publications such as EETimes that do not require registration, are those still okay?

I will look for your response on my talk page, then respond to you back here once I am ready for you to restore the page for me to repair. I will need to track down your approved reference types to show notability - many consumer products utilize this type of technology.

I am trying to make and encourage more robust Wikipedia entries for a number of areas and technical terms and want to get this right so our industry will have the right model to proliferate...

Thanks again. Mukis (talk) 00:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Ruth Thorne Page
Please refer to Puerto Rico Department of Education for veracity. Speedy deletion was suggested after creator added the link to a blog. Adding this obeyed to the article being orphaned. Advertising would qualify for asking/suggesting readers were to find the books, etc. Article speaks about a very real person who has contributed to Puerto Rican letters, literary genres and is verifiable. Children's book s by this author have been acquired by the Puerto Rico Department of Education, and the Cronicas del Barrio Saga is at present in negotiations for comercial movies both in Hispanic and American markets.. Please verify. Links that may not be useful have been deleted, unless you consider they should be present.

Simply Madonna: Materials of the Girl
Why has this page been deleted? If its sounding like an advertisement, its because there is only small amount of information, it only opened on Saturday. Would it not have been better to request that it be re-written. I am a Madonna fan and created the page. This seems very unfair as the could have simply been a call to improve it instead of deletion. There were plenty of references from outside sources. This exhibition has got international news and media coverage and is relevant. A consensus in the talk page should have been made and call for improvement not deletion.  J W A D  talk 21:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hiya thanks for your message. I think we can improve the article by making seem less like an advertisement and use more info from out sourced press information. The exhibition is now open and there was a lot of press coverage. Would it be possible to give me access to the article so I can improve and change it? Many thanks  J W A D  talk 19:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Nonnie Moore
Hi Deb

Because you're an experienced editor who seems generally reasonable, I'm asking this question rather than simply removing the  tag you added to the Nonnie Moore stub I created.

It would seem that despite the presumption of notability required under WP:GNG for the subject of a full-length New York Times obituary (which, unless the decedent is Times-associated, is "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"), you feel that presumption may be rebutted in this case.

The GNG states that the presumption should be rebutted by consensus. So perhaps you could create a discussion on the article's talk page or initiate a deletion discussion? Otherwise, your tag seems misplaced.

Thanks, Bongo  matic  19:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Your RFA
Hey Deb - thanks very much for the note of encouragement. Unfortunately, I (like many) do think that the RfA process really could use major improvement. It's really unfortunate when a bad experience at RfA can lead some of our best contributors to leave the project, or at least have forever hampered relationships with others here. I personally have a fairly tough skin (and many thanks go to neuro for being supportive when the skin felt a bit less thick), but I think it's too much to ask that anyone applying for admin be ready to take criticism of a personal rather than professional nature.  Flying  Toaster  23:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Catapult C sources
Hi Deb. I had asked you about whether cited sources could require registration and you posted the Wikipedia sources link for me to review - thanks. I have looked through it carefully (following all the related links I could find) and there is nothing that comments on it at all. They suggest 1) independent sources such as respected publications that do their own research and/or 2) peer reviewed papers.

The Wikipedia source reference does say that you can reference books or articles from respected publications. Since a reader would have to purchase the book or even pay a subscriptions to view some articles from respected publications, it seems to me a free registration to a conference paper would be less effort to verify so should be okay.

So can you please let me know on my talk page if it is okay for me to pull from peer-reviewed papers that require registration on the industry conference website? If so I will get the revised page ready - I only used independent publication articles and no conference papers.

Thanks. Mukis (talk) 23:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Catapult C sources
Hi Deb. Got your note. I now understand what I need to do  and just need to carve out some cycles to do the reseach. It may take me 1-2 weeks to carve out time to review technical papers for this. I will come back here to request for you to restore the page once I am ready with the new content - please 'hang on' to it! Thanks again. Mukis (talk) 02:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Select Registry
You recently (and correctly) deleted Select Registry as spam. I have now rewritten this article to satisfy the notability and neutrality standards. Since you were one of the deleting administrators, could you please restore the revisions of the article for GFDL/history attribution? If you restore the article, I will immediately copy and paste the contents of my offline sandbox into this article. Note: I asked User:NawlinWiki to restore the article, but s/he has been unresponsive. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 19:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind. NawlinWiki has restored it. Cunard (talk) 19:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - March 2009
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 16:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Wet blanket
Could you expand your reasoning on this AFD? Your comment did not address what you thought of my redirect proposal. - Mgm|(talk) 12:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Neurotically Yours
Why did you delete Neurotically Yours? OverSeer (talk) 16:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Outpost24 page deleted
Hi Deb,

Just recently posted an article about the company Outpost24. The company has links in other wiki articles but there is no page for the company. I made my best attempts to make the page neutral and only state facts, is there any way that I can make improvements to the article so that it does not get deleted? I think it seems unfair that this was immediately deleted since there are other articles in the wiki with similar content. This was not meant to be an advertisement at all, it stated a few facts about the company with supporting information from third parties.

Please let me know how I can improve this article.

Thank you - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lokacit443 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Can you please explain to me the difference between the article I posted and this article - Qualys, which is in the same industry and has similar content?

(Lokacit443 (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC))

Articles for deletion/Street Fight (song)
Hi there. I speedily closed this AfD, as it was nominated by a now-blocked sockpuppeteer and had been influenced by some of his puppets. As you had !voted delete, you might be interested in renominating it; I would be perfectly fine with that.

Cheers! NuclearWarfare  ( Talk ) 20:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Ready for you to restore Catapult C page for repair
Hi Deb. I have now done the necessary research to add additional references to the Wikipedia CatapultC page in the form of peer reviewed papers from independent sources. Thanks for giving me the extra time - there was a lot of content to uncover and pour through to find the most appropriate papers.

Can you please let me know on my talk page once you have restored it? I will let you know once my repairs are completed for you to review. I should be able to do it with 24 to 48 hours, allowing for time for me to see your note, and of course timezone differences. Thanks again. Mukis (talk) 22:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Catapult C page repaired
Hi Deb, I added 4 independent papers from conferences and universities 2 were cited as references to page content, and 2 were general references. I also cut down some of the other content. I also kept the independent trade publication citations to document product history. Please let me know if you need more from me. And thank you very much for all your guidance! Mukis (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Cymorth, os gwelwch yn dda?
Hi Deb, sut mae? I'm hoping you can do me a favour as an admin here. The article Taliesin, one of our most important Welsh articles as I'm sure you would agree, has been moved without a word of discussion to Taliesin (poet) (!!!) by a certain Mr manilow and Taliesin is now a disambiguation page. I've left a note on the Welsh wikipedians talk page. In order to restore the article's rightful name the new disambiguation page "Taliesin" needs deleting (NOTE: He neglected to move the original Taliesin article's talk page which is therefore now attatched to that new page, so only the disambig page itself should be deleted. He's also left the original Taliesin (disambiguation) page untouched so a "hat note" can be put back on the top of the restored Taliesin pointing to the true disambiguation page. Phew! Less complicated than it sounds, hopefully!) It's possible someone else will have done the move by the time you read this, if not your help would be really appreciated. Ah, the frustrations of not being an admin over here! Cofion cynnes, Enaidmawr (talk) 22:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * BencherliteTalk 22:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, ✅ - I read the message above and wondered whether there were talk pages floating untethered, but I checked and all is well. Hwyl fawr i'r ddai ohonoch chi (if I've spelt that correctly), BencherliteTalk 22:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I have an account that I rarely use, but perhaps that ought to be my next project, after I finish writing articles on the alumni of Jesus College, Oxford and getting the lists through WP:FLC. Perhaps I should set myself a target of ensuring that each article I've written over here has at least a stub over there (although my Welsh formal grammar is non-existent, so I'd be a real problem for the purists).  After all, my baby boy is going to grow up as a first language Welsh speaker and I'll need to know what his homework is about! BencherliteTalk 22:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Midnight Bulletin: Apparently Mr manilow has submitted a Requested Move. Please leave a comment and vote on this at Talk:Taliesin. Diolch, Enaidmawr (talk) 23:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Morningstar Saga Deleted

 * Hello, I am a new user and am attempting to make a page for 'The Morningstar Saga' which is a work of fiction that has a big fan following on the Morningstar saga website.  My first attempt at a page was deleted because it was said to be 'Blatant advertising'  This is incorrect.  I have no financial motiv in making this page.  I am making as a result of talk between other fans of the series of books.  I was hoping to start the page (which was my first attempt) and add on to it or work on it with other fans of the series.  Please advise.

John_Brian_K (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)John_Brian_K

Catapult C
Thanks Deb!! Mukis (talk) 17:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Outcome Mapping article
I see you speedily deleted the Outcome Mapping article about a year ago for blatant advertising. I intend to recreate the article. I'm not affiliated to the creators or anyone marketing outcome mapping and I intend to base my article on cited references. If you have any comments, feel free to use my Talk page or answer me here. -- leuce (talk) 17:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comment on my Talk page. : I created the article, here.  Have a look. -- leuce (talk) 19:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Your deletions
It seems you are a danger to Wikipedia. Stop deleting pages! Your knowledge is limited and you don't know what you are doing, so stop butting in where you don't belong. --84.249.164.59 (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I concur. While I did not initiate a page you deleted, I contributed a substantive history paragraph, including the entire market sector and competitors (with links) but you attacked the entire article as blatant advertising. You did not know or understand the subject but you destroyed the article. Looking deeper at this page, you get additional complaints of similar action. So YOU, not us loyal contributors to the cumulative knowledge base, are the danger. STOP. Before you delete again, consider that someone has put some effort into writing that article. Not everybody is doing it for commercial purposes. If you doubt it or disagree, add your comments into the discussion and save the dirty work of actual deletion to somebody with a more considered opinion. I suspect many of those articles you would delete, might actually survive the test of public scrutiny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trackinfo (talk • contribs) 08:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Oxford Wikimania Bid
Heya Deb,

I was wondering if youd be interested in joining the bid local team (though you dont have to local, im from swansea and living in cardiff). If your interested send me an email either via the wiki interface or direct to josephseddon at googlemail.com

Many Thanks

Joseph Seddon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.128.230 (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Dyanne Iandoli
I have nominated Dyanne Iandoli, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Dyanne Iandoli. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message.  Them From  Space  20:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikimania 2010 Oxford bid
Thank you for supporting the Oxford bid to hold Wikimania 2010! We're currently in the final stages of the bid process - the jury will be announcing their decision by the 16th April. We're currently putting together the local team for the bid (who will do what if the bid wins); if you're able to be on the local team, please put your name in the appropriate place on m:Wikimania 2010/Bids/Oxford/Team. We'd also welcome anything you can do to help refine the bid in these last few days. If you have any questions, please let me or User:Seddon know. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:48, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Shlomo Katz
Shlomo Katz seems to me a notable figure in the Israeli and worldwide Jewish music scene. What do you feel is the definition of notability for a musician? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Joe407 (talk) 07:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Jake Kouns
Did you mean to decline speedy on that article? It appears that it might have been inadvertent since no notability is asserted. Toddst1 (talk) 11:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. You should probably review WP:BIO as notability isn't conferred on a person because of their affiliation with a family or organization. Toddst1 (talk) 11:45, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think your interpretation of the guidelines is correct. We are talking about the founder of an organisation that appears to be notable. I'm quite prepared to be persuaded that he isn't. However, since the article does say why he's notable (or why its author thinks he is), it's difficult to argue for speedy deletion. Proposed deletion would be another matter. I'm always being criticised for being too keen to delete articles; on this occasion I don't think it's justified at face value. Deb (talk) 11:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Oyster Bay History Walk
Hello,

Myself and other editors have worked very hard to get the Oyster Bay History Walk to a neutral point of view. Could you please be specific about one or a few things that stand out to you that need to be updated? I'm more than happy to make changes, but it is hard for me to understand what specifically it is that caught your attention. Thank you.

Inoysterbay (talk) 18:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Deb. Inoysterbay, still a relatively new wikipedia editor, asked me to consider the appropriateness of the advert tag.  I just commented at Talk:Oyster Bay History Walk, mostly that I agree that copy-editing is needed.  It would be most helpful if you could give another example or two there, in addition to my comments, with any suggestion for rewording.  I appreciate your perspective and think more specific feedback would be helpful.  Thanks already for considering the article! doncram (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Unified Master Account
Hi Deb- Thanks for reading. I noticed you deleted the entry because you felt it was promotional. I would certainly like to modify the entry so that it isn't. What would you recommend I modify? I would like the entry to go back up if possible. Much like hedge funds, separetely manged accounts or other investment vehicles, the unified master account does hold a place among such investment structures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjacobson1 (talk • contribs) 00:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Shameless thankspam


FlyingToaster Barnstar Hello Deb! Thank you so much for your support in my  recent RfA , which passed with a tally of 126 / 32 / 5. I am truly humbled by the trust you placed in me, and will endeavor to live up to that trust.  Flying Toaster 

FYI
I've reverted your G8 deletion of Talk:Vicki Aspinall, which I assume was in error as the related article very much exists. –  iridescent   12:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Venture Capital Investment Competition speedy deletion despite protest
The same day someone tagged it for speedy deletion, it gets deleted, despite an editor removing the tag as I did, with a valid reason why it should remain(the nominator apparently retagged it). As I said in the edit summary, it is not a company advertising something, as the nominator for speedy deletion claimed, but an organization which had competitions involving many major universities around the world, which the article clearly list. I asks you review this case, and restore the article. If the nominator wants to bring it to AFD, I'm sure consensus will be to keep.  D r e a m Focus  01:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought it notified the administrator who deleted it, automatically. Apparently not though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2009_May_23 There is a deletion review now.   D r e a m Focus  11:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Dickwad
You are one....That is all —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.38.78 (talk) 18:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * How dare you insult my education.....I went to Harvard University and graduated Suma Cum Laude 24.168.38.78 (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Double majored in Art and Creative Writing Bitch!!! (im not insulting you that is actually what it says on my diploma :) besides what does it show if you are going back and forth with me if I am so low on the intelligence totem pole 24.168.38.78 (talk) 03:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Julien yu
Hi Deb, I tagged this as a G10 because of what I perceived as several nasty attacks in the article. decltype (talk) 12:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Assalt 43
Hi! I realized you deleted my article about the metalcore band Assalt 43, and of course I know the reason, but anyway, this article is already in spanish and catalan. This is just a traduction of an article that already exists in other languages, so what's the problem? Please tell me how I can restore this article. Thanks! crewofcore (talk) 11:49 13 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.24.157.8 (talk)

Humbly beseeching your advice
S'mae Deb? I've left you a note on your 'cy:' talk page regarding a problem with Wiccan1's account, or rather 'accounts'. An innocent mistake, not sockpuppetry. Never faced this situation and would like your advice on how to resolve this. Diolch, Enaidmawr (talk) 20:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * He seemed concerned about losing his contributions record. Maybe the template would solve the problem (just hope it's easy to "translate" to cy:). Bit late at night to sort it out now so I'll get back to it tommorrow. Cofion, Enaidmawr (talk) 23:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Dublin
To answer your question, Deb, yes,. I'm not actually dying, just really hung over.--Cúchullain t/ c 21:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The handle just reflects my interest in Irish and Celtic literature and history, I suppose. When I first started editing Wikipedia I was surprised that it wasn't taken (under this spelling, anyway.) The statue I just like. I used to have a picture of it on my user page, but it's long since been deleted.--Cúchullain t/ c 17:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels - Coordinator Election
Hello. To begin, every member of WikiProject Novels will be getting this message (the joy of macros) so if you wish to get in touch with me, please post a message on my talk page. I would encourage anyone who so wishes, to stand in the Coordinator Elections. If you wish to stand, please do so by 23:59pm, June 27. Voting will the continue to 23:59pm, July 21. Can everyone please check-out the Coordinator Elections page. Also, the collaboration of the month is The Tin Drum, so if you have any spare time, please check it out. And I apologise to the seven of you for whom this will be a repeat message. Regards, Alan16 (talk).

Coordinator Election
Hello. The Coordiantor Election has begun. All members are encouraged to vote by the deadline, July 28. To vote simply add support to the comments and questions for.. section of the member of your choice.

3 users are standing:

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Prince Henry of Wales
I see you have altered his name a couple of times at Diana, Princess of Wales. I was just curious why you keep changing it to his family nickname rather than his correct name? Is there a particular reason? 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 16:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Smartstax
I've proposed Smartstax, an article you've edited, but didn't create, for deletion. --I dream of horses (talk) 02:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

What is the difference
Hi Deb, can you please explain me the difference between: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixmac and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutterstock ?? Why do you delete my page and Shutterstock don't? Is there something missing in my article? Thx for your answer! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xvlcm12 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Is that so hard for you to explain it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.24.145.214 (talk) 06:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Wales maps
Per the discussion at West Wales, do you agree it would be better to remove the map at South Wales (which actually shows South East Wales), and to improve the captions at Mid Wales and North Wales? Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that the issue here is much bigger. I have no concern whether we do or do not have maps although I suspect that others outside Wales would find them helpful. I do have issues with editors deleting images without providing a justification or good reason or without seeking consensus - but that is usually simply bad manners and a lack of consideration. There are many things that are imprecise at best and which are unlikely to have documented authority to rely upon, not least the boundaries of arbitrary areas of Wales. However the bigger issue is that much of Wikipedia is illustrated with images from Wikimedia Commons and there there is almost no appropriate attribution or references for images in Commons. If I post an image and give it a name it is generally accepted to be that which I say it is. However if I provide a description of the same image in Wikipedia, references are, probably correctly, demanded. There is a great breach in the logic that underpins the veracity of Wikipedia if an unreferenced image is acceptable but a text description of the same is not, or, as in this case, the reverse is true - the image is unacceptable whereas the imprecise text is acceptable. Deleting maps simply because they may be imprecise or lacking references is to gnaw away at the foundations of many and perhaps most of illustrated articles in Wikipedia. I would argue for consistency above all else and against arbitrariness dependant on an editor's whim.  Velela  Velela Talk  13:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * So far as the map at South Wales was concerned, it wasn't removed "on a whim" - it was removed because the source from which it came identified the area as "South East Wales" - not the same thing. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Mary Jones (Bible)
Moves need not be discussed if they are uncontroversial. The current title is controversial (see talk page). Do you oppose the move? You did not participate in the recent move discussion. Srnec (talk) 18:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The controversy over the move was about primary usage. The current title violates guidelines and common sense, since Mary Jones is not a Bible nor is she in the Bible. Srnec (talk) 18:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * What's wrong (if anything) with Mari Jones? Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not something that concerns me that much - but it seems by far the simplest solution to me (as a non-Welsh speaker!) Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:47, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Mobile Device Forensic
Thanks for your reply. I added several categories and tried to improve the introduction, so is it better?

Mobile Device Forensic

Chris --CB79 (talk) 09:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * "I'm guessing that what you are really trying to describe is a mobile forensic device - is that correct? "
 * No. What is a mobile forensic device? I (want to) describe different methods/possibilities to recover the memory of a mobile device. That mobile device is defect, and has stored important data for the owner, or the device is an evidence in a crime investigation. For the memory recovery you can use several techniques. These techniques include the usage of several devices or software tools, but this is not only one device and mostly the devices are not mobile. Especially the devices for desoldering. (Here is an example for the  infrared desoldering machine, sorry the site itself is in german and I am not an employee of them.) The outcome of that memory recovery is a memory image and is processed afterwards with other software tools.

Chris --CB79 (talk) 17:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:Wales year nav
Deb, I've put this together Template:Wales year nav, but it doesn't look great. Can you do anything with it? FruitMonkey (talk) 10:21, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've tinkered with the 20th century part, I think it may now be usable. Could you have another look, if you think it is of use, I'll complete the rest of it. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 11:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - July 2009
The July 2009 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. Alan16(talk)

Vandalism
Hello. I have no wish to denigrate you or otherwise excellent work, but I still think that describing the reviews for 'Desperate Romantics' as 'mixed' is rather like describing Saddam's human rights record as 'patchy'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badflower (talk • contribs) 13:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello old friend
Hey there, guess who! Yup. 'Tis I, feareireann. I am not fully back, but not fully gone either. I contribute the odd but here and there. (And you are right, standards have slipped!)

These days I am too busy to be here regularly. I work in politics so work with many of the things this place describes. (You would be amazed to know how many parliamentarians use Wikipedia as a research source. When they are stuck for something to say, and have a speech in half an hour, they invariably do a google search on the topic and read what Wikipedia says. I do try to warn them that this place isn't totally reliable but they still treat it like the bible. So I guess I'd better come back to improve it, in that case!)

So how are things with you since I left?

I have just cast my vote on the naming conventions page about the Elizabeth II issue. If the job brings me in contact with Her Maj, I'll have great fun telling her about all the trouble her name causes this site. Those who know her reckon she would roar laughing, do her "innocent wee me" act, and then insist on being told all the gory details so she could share them with Philip later!

But then given that she is apparently an enthusiastic internet poster, she probably knows all about Wikipedia and posts on it. (You're not HM now, are you? If you are, I look forward to our first meeting, whether at your workplace if we are visiting you, or at ours, if you are visiting us!)

Anyway, take care, and keep up the first for proper standards on the royalty pages. Those standards need defending from the riff-raff trying to lower them to tabloid standard.

Slán,

FearÉIREANN \(caint) 00:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Derech HaTeva
Thanks for the tag. I rewrote a good amount. Is it any better? Joe407 (talk) 04:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Deb, You Deleted My 'Racism In Wikipedia' Article... Why?
Deb, I'd appreciate it if you can stop deleting my article that I started. Why did you delete it? I don't understand. Is it because it is not finished yet? If this is the case, then I can understand. Just keep in mind that the article is a work in progress. I'll be adding info to it as time progresses. Is this still possible to do?

I also noticed that you're welsh. And I hope there aren't any conflicts between us since I'm half english. Hope you understand. Thanks. Ingrid4hubby (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

ta-da!
Congratulations, you are American Seb az86556 (talk) 17:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * So how 'bout a good ole American sock investigation? (what registered user account are you referring to?)Seb az86556 (talk) 12:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Misrepresented?
This comment (just below here) has now been placed just above a constructive comment of yours here.

"Your POV is utterly irrelevant for this project, which means that it doesn't belong here anyway. This discussion is pointless since your POV is obviously your only argument.Surtsicna (talk) 12:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)"

I assume that is not what you were agreeing about, according to what now ended up just under. Hard to understand the hostility. It would be very kind of you now to clarify what your agreement involves, for the benefit of others who might visit the discussion. Cordially, SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Kyle Canning
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IP 92.11.142.51
Hi, since you've protected Alan Ladd (thanks!), do you mind taking a look at ? He appears to be returning vandal, who has a multi-year history of adding sensationalist slurs to articles on film stars. In particular, it might be necessary to protect his other targets. Thanks again for the protection - and remember that the reward for a job well done is often two more jobs :p — Gavia immer (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Needless to say, while I was writing that, you protected his other recent targets. Thanks again ... — Gavia immer (talk) 21:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Richard Burton
Perhaps you should stop removing referenced and factual information from Burton's page just because it doesn't suit your image of the man. I'm sure if he had cared that much about Wales he would have lived there as Stanley Baker did, rather than becoming a tax exile in Switzerland. (92.11.142.51 (talk) 21:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC))

WikiProject Archaeology
Hiya Deb, saw you're a member of WikiProject Archaeology. Do you know if it's still operating? I posted a request that a project member carry out an academic peer review for Parc Cwm long cairn, prior to WP:REVIEW, but it met with no response. Do you think it's worth waiting a few more days, or am I wasting my time? Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 19:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye, you may not be the only one to have forgotten about it. It looks to be derelict. Oh, the irony. Perhaps someone will excavate it in years to come, wondering what happened :) Would Parc Cwm long cairn be in your area of expertise? I would really welcome some input, Deb. Please let me know if you think you'd be able to spare the time to take a look? Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 12:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Milkorsugar
Dear Deb, you just removed Milkorsugar (G11), but please note that G11 states: "Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion." Milkorsugar.com is a web directory and it's not some copy site but a valuable index (have a look). I could write some more details about it, but the deleted text was no promotion or advertising. It just says what it is. Please let me know if I can try to add again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Havanafreestone (talk • contribs) 13:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK will create again when notable :) thanks. Havanafreestone (talk) 18:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Do not edit other people talk page.
I have releft a general note on creating inappropriate page notice. This is for two innappropriate creations. If you disagree leave a note under the warning but even if you are an Admin this doesn't give you carte blanch to refactor as you please.Jake/Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

For the record forgot this User talk:Wilso911 Jake/Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I did consider that this might be a user page but it is the other csd article tag that made me leave a tag. Quite a low level really, especially if this was an attempt at creating an article and I do believe it still AGF.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Is this meant to be facetious? Deb (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No it's considered a warning. A low level one at that, just a reminder that this isn't something I'm making up, but a policy enforceable by wiki policy. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll be ready to accept your warnings when you (a) learn to treat newcomers politely and (b) achieve an acceptable standard of literacy in your own work. Deb (talk) 09:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok that's your choice, just because you don't chose to accept them doesn't take away from their validity or usefulness. I would suggest reading the policies though.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * HIAB, please see WP:DTTR.  ceran  thor 11:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes templating this page was a mistake, I freely admit this. However the warning is for valid reasons and as an Admin this user should've known better. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. I think this will sort itself out, but in case it doesn't, could you provide a link to the deleted/edited page?  ceran  thor 12:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The page in question, []. I had allready left the warning about the talk page thing when I saw the extent of her contribs. I do find her attitude here very disturbing though, especially for an admin. I can understand the frustration with being templated but to discount the feedback completely sets a precedent for others to be ignored because they have bit a newbie or type poorly. (for the record this is because I have very bad sight and am double visioned. Partially handicap)Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Deb, that was a templated warning. It is not rude at all ("learn to treat newcomers politely") nor did Jake make any facetious remarks towards you, as far as I know. HIAB, you have done nothing wrong as far as I can tell.  ceran  thor 12:23, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Jake asked me to comment here, so I will give my honest opinion. Deb, I don't see a problem with removing the warning template on the user's page per say, but you should have at lest explained why it your edit summary ("removing warning that no longer applies since I userifed the page" or something). To just revert the edits makes it look like they were completely invalid, which is not the case.

What makes you so sure it was a misplaced user page? Personally, I rather doubt it was. Looks quite like an attempt to write an encyclopedia article to me and thus A7 was a reasonable option - it isn't like the page was placed at Wilso911. Personally, I am not a fan of moving non-notable people's attempts at autobiographies to the user page. By policy, a user page isn't supposed to resemble an article. Now you can counter balance this by saying we should make the user feel welcome, etc. and I would agree, but I'm not sure moving their autobio attempt to their user page and saying it was a "misplaced user page" is really much more comforting than just deleting it - unless it actually was a clear user page attempt, which isn't the case here.

I note also that despite you telling Jake he has to be nicer to newbies, you yourself haven't left the new user in question any kind of personal communication. Merely "saving" their autobio isn't going to make someone stay. If you truly want to make this new editor into a valid contributor, you should have left them a personal message explaining the situation and offering help.

Jake is far from perfect and I have personally counseled him on being less BITEy on a couple occasions. My firm but fair comments have led to some improvement on his part. However, his imperfection doesn't give you a license o ignore his concerns with rude comments.

It seems you are at least partially guilty of the same sin as Jake. While, he is not a newcomer in the sense that he has made few edits, he is still doing things wrong and trying to learn all the intricacy of this site. If it is important to treat newcomers nicely (it is), it is also important to treat all editors with respect. Comments that essentially say "I'll only listen to you when you learn to do everything perfectly" are not helpful. You give him a hard time for warning a user about creating a non-notable article yet you say flat out that his own work doesn't have "an acceptable standard of literacy?" Which is more likely to scare away a content contributor - a templated warning about creating non-notable articles or telling someone their writing is crap? --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, all points taken, but this was the sequence of events:


 * 1) He left a warning for a new user who had attempted to create a user page in mainspace.
 * 2) I moved the new page to the user's home page, deleted the tag and reverted the warning because it was no longer valid.
 * 3) HIAB took me to task for changing the user's talk page.
 * 4) I replied on his talk page, explaining why I had taken the action I did.
 * 5) He responded with reasons why he had done it.
 * 6) I did nothing more, thinking he accepted my explanation.
 * 7) He gave me a warning!


 * I appreciate that he is not very experienced, but he was the one trying to throw his weight around. Deb (talk) 17:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That was a timing problem when I had thought it went through. My connection timed out. It was supposed to be in concert so for that I apologize.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Was it the timing that ticked you off? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes - thanks for the explanation. Deb (talk) 17:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, then I understand how that would upset me too! I hadn't considered the situation from that light. Thank you for your apology as well. I am trying to moderate myself in giving warnings. Other then this do you have any examples I can look at. I am a very visual learner and if I see something in front of me I can more easily see what I'm doing wrong and where so I can fix.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I am glad you two were able to work this out amicably. Still, if you are going to userify an autobio attempt you should at least drop the newbie a note on their talk page to let them know what you did. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't agree. See the discussion on HIAB's talk page. Deb (talk) 09:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to continue this, but I couldn't find anything that addressed my comment there. If the page was clearly a user page - i.e. it was placed at Wilso911 instead of User:Wilso911 - then sure, userify it without notice.  However the page was actually placed at Luke neil wilson and looked a lot like an article attempt to me.  I fail to see how moving it to User:Wilso911 without even bothering to notify the user is helpful.
 * I will also add that just because a user name partially overlaps with an article title they created doesn't automatically make it an autobiography, let alone an attempt to create a user page. The person could just as easily be writing about a relative or even be a fan of the person and have chosen their user name accordingly.  I don't think a simply courtesy notice to the user explaining why you moved their article is too much to ask. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Starting Over
I apoligize for the use of a template, I hadn't realized the extent of your contributions. My personal opinion is that senior editors should be treated the same manner as newbies and in most cases much tougher as you become more accountable as you learn more. My main beef with you is the fact that you would be willing to discount a well thought and policy backed warning because of poor spelling and not being polite to newbies. Other then one time being warned on biting newbies I have no record I can remember sitting here of when I have bitten them(not saying I haven't just that I don't remember). This brings two problems to mind, That you would discount a warning based on things that aren't related to the situation. So long as my edits in mainspace are accurate and well sourced, spelling can be corrected. In regards to poor spelling I did raise the arguement mine is poor because of bad eyes and surgeries and while it makes this a slight more personal and touchy personally while writing this I realize it is also irrelavant to disregarding a warning or for having poor spelling. However if these warnings are ignored or "not accepted" solely because of these reasons we open our project to a dangerous precedent. You as an admin are looked to for guidance and more importantly an example. I say this because there is a few I look to as role models myself. Now if they see you doing it to another editor (myself in this case) they may think they can do it to someone else too(not me). Do you see where the problem comes in? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * you know, with respect to one part of this, I agree with him, about templating the regulars. Since all rules that apply to newcomers apply to us also, we should be able to ignore the fact that a template may contain language not really appropriate to our particular situation where we are doing what we do deliberately, rather than our or ignorance.  But perhaps we might do even better to find a way of wording our templates so nobody will take offense at them.     DGG ( talk ) 22:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Up to a point, I agree too. But that wasn't really what it was about. Deb (talk) 22:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Parc Cwm long cairn
Hiya Deb, please let me know if you are still considering this. Thought you may have missed my post in the traffic. It's no problem if you'd rather not give any input, I'd just like to know, is all, so I can pursue other options. Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 10:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Space Captain Smith deletion
What could you possibly have considered as "advertising" or "promotion"?

Whateverist (talk) 11:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Simple - the page is there purely to promote a non-notable book. See also Articles_for_deletion/Space_Captain_Smith and note the result. Deb (talk) 15:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be the non-notable book with two sequels, from a reputable publisher (one of its titles, The Gift of Rain, was Booker Long-Listed), available throughout the UK and reviewed on one of the UK's foremost literary blogs: http://meandmybigmouth.typepad.com/scottpack/2008/04/alien-invasion.html. It is not self-published and is distributed through normal channels and the author has been interviewed by one of the leading SF magazine (http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=interview_author_toby_frost). Did you even do the most basic research before the knee-jerk kicked in? Icundell (talk) 19:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You had your say during the deletion debate. As far as I can see, you haven't added anything significant to the article that was deleted the first time (and the second time).  Strange that you should suddenly re-surface after months of complete inactivity.  Deb (talk) 23:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Get over yourself. I am perfectly entitled to have any say I want at any time. You do not own wikipedia so stop acting like you do and let's have a little less of the high-handed arrogance. You have been given facts. Now deal with the facts rather than our own sense of self-importance. Oh, and when someone has gone to great lengths to avoid conflicts of interest (something you would know if you had bothered to do the most basic of research), your implication that they haven't is both unworthy and, sadly, all too typical of a certain type if sysop. Now, deal with the facts that you were given above and cut out the snide implications. Icundell (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and have been thinking about adding some material but I feel a little put off as this page has been deleted. I had bookmarked it to refer to it later and what I read seemed to be a straightforward description of the book, not promotional or advertising in any way. You describe the book as non-notable, but I wonder by whose standards this judgement has been made? As someone else points out the book is now part of a published trilogy with the beginnings of a cult following. I believe the cover art has also been nominated for an award and is surely, therefore, notable in it's own right? Does a book have to be at the iconic level of Star Trek or Star Wars to be considered notable? I would appreciate some advice here as this will affect my future posts. I am also a little unnerved by some apparent animosity in some of these posts, I wonder is this an elitist site or is it truly available to anyone? Thanks, Sandranorval (talk) 23:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)