User talk:Deborah Loucks

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Hi,

I saw your change to the "horse breaking" article. I have left the change you made there, although I do not think it is necessarily the best place to include that information.

I deliberately kept all of the current crop of trainers and theoreticians off of that page. The reason is two-fold. The first reason is that even though I appreciate Roberts's discover of the way horses communicate and the way that method of communication can be used to renegotiate or restructure a relationship with a horse that has been abused, or quickly establish a good relationship with a horse that has not established a friendly relationship with people before, that technique is not fundamental to good "breaking" (hate that word) of horses. So I would rather establish the basics in one place and reserve the current events to a separate article. The second reason for keeping them apart is that once you bring Roberts into the basic article you will have people bringing two other kinds of things into the same article: (1) the ideas, practices, etc., of other present-day trainers, and (2) vitriolic attacks on Monty Roberts.

I have fought long battles with people who want to put Monty Roberts on trial within any article that mentions him or else they want to exclude mention of him entirely. So far I have been successful in dealing with these people, and the main way I did it was to make an article with all of the modern exponents of various schools of training listed. Then I transferred any material that objectively states what these trainers say to their appropriate places in this article. The result was that there is a fair amount of material that summarizes the Roberts method there, and only links to the websites of most other trainers. So now if somebody claims that Jessica Jaheil or whoever is better than Roberts, said it first, or whatever, I just ask them to fill out the Jaheil part of the article or show proof that whatever is said to be in the Roberts method is not in fact in one of this books or articles.

So far, people have only called me names and then have gone away, which is better than having an "edit war" break out. I am not exactly surprised that none of them have bothered to write on the other trainers. All they wanted to do in the first place was to call Roberts bad names.

By the way, the existing stuff on the Roberts method was mostly there before I got involved. Some of it sounds o.k., and some of it sounds like it is based on somebody's faulty memory. It really needs to be cleaned up, and the article needs to contain citations that show where Roberts details each part of the training method discussed in the article. I have several of his books, but I haven't had time to get involved on that level. Please help if you would like. P0M 02:11, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Please review Wikipedia policies on NPOV (neutral point of view). P0M 16:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

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