User talk:Deboshaffer

Help me!
Please help me with…my Wikipedia page was deleted for reasons I do not understand on April 12, 2021. There is mention of copyright infringement, and the name of an article I wrote for Talkhouse. I don’t have a copy of what was on my page, but IF that article was listed, and IF it is a problem, it can be eliminated. But I don’t understand why my nearly 50 year career and credits as an award-winning documentary filmmaker would be deleted! Please help me restore my page.

Deboshaffer (talk) 17:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You'll have to provide a WP:LINK to the deleted article for us to help you.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:47, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Here’s a copy of the only information I have about the deletion - is this what you are looking for? If this is not what you are looking for, can you help me figure out where to find it? This whole thing is a complete mystery to me…
 * 20:58, 5 April 2021 Liz talk contribs deleted page Deborah Shaffer (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://www.talkhouse.com/how-the-1960s-protest-movements-shaped-me-as-a-filmmaker/) (thank) Deboshaffer (talk) 19:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As a courtesy, I'm pinging so they can follow up.  SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 20:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * For the record, the link to your deleted article is Deborah Shaffer. It was properly deleted as WP:G12 (copyright infringement). I'm just confirming what you already know, so I'm not sure what it is you want because you yourself say that if "it is a problem it can be eliminated". Copyright infringement is against Wikipedia's policy, so it was indeed a "problem".--Bbb23 (talk) 20:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * But I don’t understand what the copyright infringement is. An article is mentioned, which is an article I wrote. What is the infringement please? And how do I remove that mention if it is the offending problem and how do I restore my page? Sorry to be dense about this - I’ve never edited or worked with Wikipedia, other than as a consumer! Deboshaffer (talk) 20:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * What I really want is a Wikipedia page! I believe I am entitled to one….and it is a professional liability that it has been removed. Is there any way I can recover or see the original, offending page? Can I have it re-edited and re-submitted? It’s my understanding that I can’t submit my own page….. Deboshaffer (talk) 20:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I know is handling this, but I have to respond to part of this only to say that nobody is entitled to a Wikipedia article. I'll allow Bbb23 to elaborate further.  SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 20:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. How can I restore my page, or start over? Deboshaffer (talk) 20:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And here’s a link to the actual article. I’m not sure what the problem is! I wrote the article…..
 * https://www.talkhouse.com/how-the-1960s-protest-movements-shaped-me-as-a-filmmaker/ Deboshaffer (talk) 20:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * As a starting point, read this page. SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 20:52, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I just read the page you referred me to. I did not write or submit the original biography/profile that was posted on Wikipedia, probably sometime in 2020, although I am not sure when it went up. I did not see any problem with it at the time. I am only jumping in now because I discovered that the page had been deleted, when someone asked my why I don’t have a Wikipedia page. I am still trying to understand exactly why it was deleted (did it mention an article I wrote? Is that against the magazine’s copyright? I don’t know…) and if it can be restored. Or what would be needed for it to be restored. Deboshaffer (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Should I just wait for a colleague to submit a new page for me? Listing only my film credits? Would it be blocked because of this deletion, or would it be considered a new entry? Deboshaffer (talk) 21:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not confident enough about my knowledge in this area to provide a credible answer, so I'll let Bbb23 get back to you regarding this. Sorry I can't be of more help! SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 21:04, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Deborah, you say you wrote the article - and I can see it was written in the first person - but there's a blurb at the bottom of the article that is written in the third person. Who wrote that? It's the blurb that you - or someone affiliated with you - included in the deleted article. That is the copyright infringement. I have no idea what you mean when you say that the removal (deletion) of the article is a "professional liability". How? In any event, copyright infringements cannot be restored, so that's out of the question. As for writing another article from scratch, that is possible, but besides autobiographies being strongly discouraged at Wikipedia, there are many hoops you'd have to jump through including declaring your obvious WP:COI, creating a draft, not a full-fledged article, and going through WP:AFC. It isn't easy, and if you don't comply with our policies in the process, your risk being blocked, which would mean that you work up to that point might be a total waste of time.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * When I go to the Talkhouse link, I do not see the 3rd person blurb you are referring to. Can you copy and paste so I can see it? Anyway, it’s not removing the article per se that I consider a liability, it’s removing the entire page about myself and my 50 year career as a documentary filmmaker. I’m happy to have my page without any reference to that article, if that seems like the best way to proceed. I’m not a writer, I’m a filmmaker. The article is interesting, but is less important than my directing/producing credits. Deboshaffer (talk) 21:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Would it be helpful to look at my website? https://deborahshaffer.net/
 * The information I am interested in having restored is factual information about my career and the films I have made. I also have a profile on IMDb, Deborah Shaffer - it doesn’t have a link that can be copied so I can’t include it here. Deboshaffer (talk) 21:22, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And I DID have a Wikipedia profile page that was accepted and posted for some period of time (in reference to the process of approval you are describing.) I have no idea if or when the Talkhouse article was added to my page, or when or who flagged it for copyright infringement. Do you have the ability to go back and see the entire original posting that was taken down? I really appreciate your help with this, it’s frustrating as I don’t really understand….. Deboshaffer (talk) 21:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you can't see what I can, but that blurb was pretty much the entire article. No, I can't copy it here because that would be a copyright violation, and copyright violations are not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia. There's nothing I can do. I'm not going to write your article for you just because (1) you think that your credits belong on Wikipedia, and (2) you're not a writer. I'm done here. If you have any additional questions, you can ask them at the WP:Teahouse, but before you can proceed, you must declare your COI as described in the policy.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:31, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I see now what you are referring to - it is a biography of me that Talkhouse published with my article (it is on the left hand side of the page on my screen, not at the bottom.) That is a bio that was written by my associate producer. What is a COI? Deboshaffer (talk) 21:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:COI SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 14:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)