User talk:Dee03/Archive 6

Numbers
This might take a while, Cricket Archive is slow when you're loading a zillion names at once... Bobo. 21:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * A = 6537 Bobo. 21:07, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * B = 5413 Bobo. 21:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * C = 4951 Bobo. 21:12, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * D = 4512 Bobo. 21:15, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * E = 2081 Bobo. 21:16, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * F = 2617 Bobo. 21:17, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * G = 4230 Bobo. 21:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * H = 4986 Bobo. 21:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I = 1120 Bobo. 21:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * J = 5280 Bobo. 21:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * K = 3172 Bobo. 21:28, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * L = 2590 Bobo. 21:30, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * M = 7480 Bobo. 21:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * N = 2518 Bobo. 21:34, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * O = 670 Bobo. 21:35, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * P = 4372 Bobo. 21:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Q = 154 Bobo. 21:38, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * R = 5655 Bobo. 21:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * S = 7678 Bobo. 21:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * T = 3409 Bobo. 21:44, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * U = 332 Bobo. 21:45, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * V = 1352 Bobo. 21:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * W = 4566 Bobo. 21:47, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * X = 13 Bobo. 21:48, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Y = 370 Bobo. 21:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Z = 384 Bobo. 21:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think these numbers are slightly misleading - I think when you search for "names beginning with", it searches for first names or surnames beginning with. But that's the nature of the task. Bobo. 21:50, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for these numbers. So there are 43,221 first-class cricketers in the world. Wikipedia has close to 1.6M biographies. By those numbers roughly about 1 in every 37 biographies on Wikipedia will be about a cricketer. Considering cricket's limited global appeal, that does seem very inclusive to me. Dee  03  05:03, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't see the problem with that. But that's what deciding whether or not to conform to subject-specific guidelines does, I guess... apropos of nothing in particular I remember the same being true of American place names, back when there were around 200K articles on the site... Bobo. 05:30, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * CRIN was formulated a long time ago. There's no harm in assessing whether it is still relevant to the changing scope of the project. WP isn't meant to be an all-encompassing resource anymore which is probably why GNG came into existence. IIRC, schools and other educational institutions were given a free pass as long as they were verifiable, but now even they come under the purview of GNG (and the stringent NCORP). Dee  03  06:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Indeed that is another aspect where we, sadly, disagree - as you've stated yourself, general opinion has clearly shifted as to whether Wikipedia should be an all-encompassing resource. Not mine, but that's by the by. Again, I'm not arguing, I'm just stating that that was always my point of view. That others' opinions have shifted and mine haven't is a changing shift in the nature of the project, I guess. And my general stubbornness. ;) Bobo. 06:55, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Changes to Devindar Walmiki Profile.
Hi Dee03,

I have made changes to the Wikipedia to Devindar Walmiki page. The information is verified. Why did you revert the changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7 Mayank (talk • contribs) 07:05, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for trying to improve the page. I reverted your edit because it was unsourced. Please add reliable sources as citations to verify each point. Dee  03  16:16, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

MaxVerstappen33 aka Mayerroute5
Hi, MaxVerstappen33, which is the newest sockpuppet of Mayerroute5 by the way, see Sockpuppet investigations/Mayerroute5/Archive, is running havoc now in IPL articles. Seem some action must now be taken.--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 11:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If you are convinced that MaxVerstappen33 is a sockpuppet, you could open an WP:SPI (if you haven't already). I am not familiar with Mayerroute5, so I can't comment on that. Dee  03  16:19, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, they just got blocked. Good catch. Dee  03  16:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Punjab cricketers
I wondered about redirecting lists all to there - you're much better placed to make a call on that than I am. The only thing that might need to be considered, I suppose, is if there's a difference pre and post-Partition? Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:26, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Northern Punjab, Eastern Punjab and Patiala did not take part in the Ranji Trophy before Partition, so there should be no issues there (NP and Patiala had 1 and 4 FC appearances respectively against touring sides before Partition though). Since NP, EP and Patiala played only 35, 22 and 14 FC matches respectively, we should be able to accommodate those players in the main Punjab list - either under separate sections for each team or by merging all players with the main list in order to avoid dual entries for players who played for one of these teams and then the unified Punjab team (eg M. P. Pandove).
 * On the other hand, Southern Punjab, who appeared in 65 FC matches, played in the Ranji Trophy extensively in the 30s and 40s and had some future Pakistan players playing for them before Partition. Sorting pre-Partition Punjab players is a little tricky.
 * Ideally we should cover each team separately in their respective articles/lists as they represented different state/princely associations of that period despite coming from the same current geographical region. That is the main reason why I did not consider merging SP, NP, EP and Patiala players into the main Punjab list during its creation. But since players from Gwalior and Holkar have been merged into Madhya Pradesh, I wondered why Punjab should be treated differently. How are defunct English teams' player lists presented? Dee  03  14:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking that stuff out. Gwalior I understand completely with their one match. Holkar is a different case with, what, 58 and closer to the Punjab case (but: Partition). I think I'd be happy to go either way with the Punjab teams. Southern Punjab makes most sense to consider having as a separate team because of their play before Partition - but then they also played in the RT after it, so perhaps we may as well consider merging all four of them into Punjab. Are they seen as obvious cases where the teams merged together? I'd suggest one list with notes added that someone played for team X as well.
 * The English teams haven't really merged as such. There are teams such as Nottingham, Sheffield and Manchester which were precursors to county clubs, and we do have separate lists for them, but not for many of the pre-county clubs at all (there's a template at the bottom of each page there which shows that there are red links for some others). These have been kept separate though and are the best comparison I suppose - although it was a bit longer ago I guess. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if they can be regarded as obvious cases given that pre-Partition Punjab also contained modern day Punjab (Pakistan), Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and even Delhi. On the Indian side post-partition, there was Patiala and East Punjab States Union and East Punjab which were merged into a single Punjab entity during the 1956 state reorganisation. I am fine either way too as long as we are consistent with what we do across all Ranji teams. If we do choose to merge all four into Punjab, I endorse your idea of having a single list that contains a note of which team(s) each of these pre-unified players played for. Dee  03  11:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You're much better placed to make that call than I am! No rush... Blue Square Thing (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Donald Douglas (surgeon)
Many thanks for the review and tick. Papamac (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Keep up the good work. Dee  03  12:11, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Samarjitsinh Gaekwad, Sangramsinh Gaekwad
Hello! Your submission of Samarjitsinh Gaekwad, Sangramsinh Gaekwad at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gurcharan Singh (cricketer)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Samarjitsinh Gaekwad
valereee (talk) 12:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sangramsinh Gaekwad
valereee (talk) 12:01, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Avinash Sable
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 * This needs your immediate attention if it is to be promoted for the date you requested. Yoninah (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of M. Sreeshankar
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 * This needs your immediate attention if it is to be promoted for the date you requested. Yoninah (talk) 14:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for M. Sreeshankar
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

M.P. or M. P.
Thank you for your indications in the MOS. As a French, we always put spaces between initials (except with hyphens: Jean-Pierre becomes J.-P.). But I thought that in English, it was more usual to join the initials. Nevertheless, most Indian sources write it MP or M.P., and « overwhelming majority of reliable sources use that variant style for that person.» is the case, when I look to Indian or Keralan newspapers (English-written). Of course, there is no space in Malayalam between initials.-Arorae (talk) 12:18, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I am not inclined to give too much weightage to what variant majority of reliable sources use in M. P. Jabir's case because I've noticed that majority of Indian newspapers don't use the period "." in initials. For example, M. Sreeshankar is written as "M Sreeshankar" in most Indian sources - The Indian Express, India Today, The Times of India, Firstpost, The New Indian Express, ESPN India. The only exception is The Hindu (and its sports publication Sportstar) which uses the period but without a space between the initials in almost all cases. P. T. Usha is written as "P.T. Usha", K. L. Rahul is written as "K.L. Rahul" and so on. There are more obvious examples of joining the initials in article titles due to widespread usage, like MS Dhoni and VVS Laxman, but that does not seem to be the case with Jabir.  Dee  03  13:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Avinash Sable
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Women in Red
Hi there, Dee03, and welcome to Women in Red. It's good to have another member who is experienced in writing biographies of people in sports. We now look forward to more about women. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Pan Am Flight 214
Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

WP:RM
You have not proved how Sheoran Nirmla is not the common name. It is the name of the main Authority Control as IAAF and main Indian sources. So your edit is not very fair./Arorae (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Nirmala Sheoran is the correct spelling and used in pretty much every reliable source: ESPN The Hindu The Indian Express India Today Hindustan Times News18 NDTV Deccan Herald The Tribune DNA India Scroll.in. The WP:BURDEN is on you to prove that Sheoran Nirmla is the COMMONNAME. Please do not make such controversial moves without discussion. Dee  03  17:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Divyansh Singh Panwar
valereee (talk) 00:01, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

New message from DBigXray
I forgot to ping you so here is a TB  D Big X ray ᗙ  12:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

New message from DBigXray
 D Big X ray ᗙ  11:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there a problem in finding content for this. If not please do add it up. We should make a best effort for articles going to the main page. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It is close to 1700 characters now. I will try to find and add more useful information rather than just stuffing up prose to increase the character count. Dee  03  12:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, I agree that it would be the best approach which is why I did not hold it up. Thanks for the good work. Keep it up. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  12:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sunita Sharma
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter November 2019
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DYK for Yashasvi Jaiswal
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DYK for Manisha Moun
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Manika Kaur
Hi, ive moved this back to mainspace as it passes WP:GNG and was approved by an admin who unsalted the title, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2019 (UTC)