User talk:Deepfriedokra/2010.08.18-2010-08-31

Manny Machado
I think you might have missed my comment somewhere because all the pages have been flying (no offense meant to anyone). I keep all the articles I have participated in the deletion process. If the article is recreated with the exact same title, its new talkpage if not over-written will have a copy of the deletion log. You can see this at Talk:Kristijan Armic (the top of this recent recreated deleted article).

You can see on my talkpage where I saved a copy of the log as I feel the editor, who recreated it, will do the same again. He may be inspired in creating the article, but he seems to not really care about WP:N as he plays fast and loose with it. I know because I have another admin's talkpage on watch and he is consistenly asking that admin for advice about how to save marginally notable sports figures. The WP:N for sports figures is loose in some case concerning the major leagues as with baseball, football and soccer, minor leaguers and even teen soccer players are routinely signed, called up and then play perhaps marginal minutes in several games. Way to cheap when compare to the notability requirements for other categories like musicians, artists, etal. And yes, I did participate in the sports notability guidelines which are a refinement of WP:NSPORTS. moreno oso (talk) 16:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Like Soriano for the Rays? He plays 1/2 to 1.5 innings, but that's enough for him to close most games. To me, being signed for MLB should be notable, that's an opinion, though. Dloh  cierekim  16:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Signing was never considered notable enough. Criteria # 7, I think covers that. In essence, a lot of sports figures get signed to major league contracts but never get called up. Some of these signers only play a week or two in the minor leagues and get released never to play again for myriad reasons. The call up clause in criteria 2 was deemed the quote most WP:N reason unquote for confering notability. However, both MLB/N and GNG have the word, may, in them and GNG addresses the issue that the Wikipedia community may deem that a subject gets enough reliable press but is not notable for say 1BLPE issues, i.e., Steven Slater. moreno oso (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Believe me. I have no problems with relievers or even someone like Manny Moto although the latter is definitely a notable figure. Even punters and some special team players deserve articles. But when Wikipedia gets a "one hit" "I got signed and called up" article that only plays one day or marginal minutes in wipe-outs, then I have problems. moreno oso (talk) 16:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

<-- I know what you mean. I almost deleted this based on lack of G-hits = false assertion. I followed the link and said shucks. So not notable today, maybe notable --when? The whole issue of notability has become overly complex. I prefer userfication for something like this, now that he's signed. We are more likely to grow an article and an editor. If he turns out truly non notable we can delete then. I read WP:MLB/N. It was pretty concise, which I like. Cheers, Dloh  cierekim  17:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually moreno oso, I do care about WP:N. I get as much information as I can find in the subject with reliable sources for the article to try to make it the best I can and things constantly change so the article can be improved with new info. Plus I'm not consitently asking that admin for advice. I've only asked them about things for two of my most recent articles including this one. ¿Ice? (talk) 17:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh? Dloh cierekim  17:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I was responding to their comment. Second comment from the top. ¿Ice? (talk) 17:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Gogo Dodo talkpage history shows the number of contacts I've seen recently. You have to remember I have a number of admin talkpages on Watch and am pretty good at seeing when posts are made concerning articles that are of recent note. moreno oso (talk) 19:43, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * All my recent posts to their talkpage were concerning this and another article along with Derrick Favors which had been vandalised and they restored the infobox for me. ¿Ice?  (talk) 20:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Anthony Davis ring a bell? You lit up his talkpage a number of times recently. moreno oso (talk) 20:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

<--I see nothing wrong with seeking help in avoiding deletion. Helping new users is one of the things more experienced users need to do. Admins particularly should be prepared to assist or direct to someone who can. Dloh cierekim  20:22, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It could be view as WP:CANVASS as Gogo Dodo participated in Anthony Davis' current AfD. Additionally most of the other questions were about marginally notable individuals as well. moreno oso (talk) 20:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Additonally, Icealien33 is not exactly a new editor since it's been here since 2008. And asking that admin for to close Anthony Davis' AfD early is particularly upsetting. moreno oso (talk) 20:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I just asked if it should be closed since it hadn't had any activity for a couple days. I haven't dealt with too many AfD's and they told me no because it is common for their not to be any posts on AfD's for a couple days. ¿Ice? (talk) 20:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless of clock time, we all need to ask for help from time to time. I've been here since 2005, and as this talk page shows, I clearly don't know everything. Not everyone has an area of interest that leads to GA's or FA's. My own contributions are somewhat paltry, but it was my niche. And opinions on notability vary wildly here. Better to seek advice on saving an article than bemoaning its loss. Dloh  cierekim  20:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. But, as a frequent participant at AfDs, (the following is said in general) Wikipedia is seeing more agressive new users and fansite participants to AfDs. Steven Slater's article/AfD is a testimonial to that. In the same way as per the discussion on Slater's deletion review, sports or news fans come to Wikipedia to see what is being written on the desired item. They will then attempt to edit the article and participate in the AfD as noted in Slater's deletion review. Now, granted that some edits will be helpful but when edits are made based upon fansite or fancruft and do not follow Wikipedia policy, it gums up the works. Just looking at Slater's DR shows the fans working the same angles instead of demonstrating how the admin close was procedurally wrong. As per an admin's post there, usually admins abstain from AfDs because they might have to rule on something regarding the article or editors. While I firmly believe that most admins for the most part make the right decisions, we are all human and for the most part trying to make Wikipedia a better place to be. moreno oso (talk) 20:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have to make some calls regarding a funeral. moreno oso (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: IP
Because Huggle fails sometimes. I tried reevert + warn, but somehow it ended up warning him twice and not reverting (for the same edit as the 2nd warning) Crisis. E X  E  19:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Tee hee. I laid on a warning too and reverted 'cause there was another one that wasn't there before. Then, I looked back and we were up to four. Cheers, Dloh  cierekim  20:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind
My spelling fix. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 00:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Dloh  cierekim  00:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

JamesBWatson (talk) 13:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Not-equal sign
I have a Mac, so it's just option-equal sign for me. I think in Windows you have to use the character map or one of the alt-8675309 combos. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 15:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's also available from the "Math and logic" symbol selector: ≠. – xeno talk 15:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Xeno. Dloh  cierekim  17:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Your Speedy Delete for Kanvaso.com
Hi Dlohcierekim,

Greetings,

I just notice that you give "speedy delete" for Kanvaso.com. I am a newbie here and this is actually the first time I create an article. I was wondering about the reason. It says that the reason is : A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)), although I don't understand that part clearly. Because i thought that in the article I already mention that it was about a website that can improves the usability of Twitter, and give more advantages to the users of Twitter.

Can you please help me about this, give me guidance so that I can understand it and contribute a better article in the future?

Thank you in advance, Cheers! :)

ChelseaJN (talk) 18:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Chelsea, for the tardy response. Could not edit from work last night. IT has editing blocked. Not awake yet. Basically, good job describing product benefits. Bad part is in leans toward reading like an advert. More info is needed on what the impact is-- how is it notable in the Wikipedia sense. What do reliable, 3rd party sources, independent of the subject, with a reputation for fact checking say about the subject. You compare the product to Twitter. Twitter is unquestionably notable-- household name. Media, reviewers and critics speak incessantly about it. What do they say about Kanvaso. Who says it? The question of a particular subject's notability arose last month because the sourcing was all from obituaries. There was a number of thorough bio-obits from media with national reach, so notability was clear. It was pretty clear in the discussion that a full bio obit from the New York Times is the essence of notability. An obit in the St. Petersburg Times is not. How thorough is the coverage? A few sentences in a blogs is not sufficient. A number of articles dedicated to the subject that go into all of its finer qualities is better. Remember, all info in the article needs to be sourced from verifiable info from reliable, 3rd party sources. Become familiar with the notability and sourcing guidelines. They are the keys to success. I see it's already restored to your userspace. Hope this helps. Dloh  cierekim  13:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Dlohcierekim,

Oo.. I see, I notice that my article was lack in the 3rd party source. I didn't familiar with how things go in Wiki, I thought that I can post the article and edit it later. So I guess, I'll gather more information about my article and after that I'll post it again in Wiki. Anyway, thanks a bunch for your kind assistance. I really appreciate it. And I will keep in mind your advices the next time I want to contribute article in Wiki. Again, thanks. 118.136.91.64 (talk) 17:25, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Canal 3 Quimistan
Thanks for the info. -- Ice (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Save the question!
Regarding the question you posed to me on my RfA: I found it challenging. I recommend you keep that deleted article in your userspace and save it for other RfAs. It's a clever question: The article you chose as an example makes it easy for a candidate to agree with your deletion decision by simply skimming through the article. More difficult if the candidate delves deeper. Your question put me in the uncomfortable position of having to disagree with another admin in my own RfA, and required me to perform a lot of homework to back up my answer.

Please consider using this question again; I'm interested to see how other candidates reply to it. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I was very impressed by your answer. Don't be too shocked though if you get some heat if you decline to delete articles like that. Some admins require stronger asserts of significance than I to decline. You can just pass them by and see what happens. Dloh  cierekim  13:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, for articles like that, requiring me to perform a lot of research to make a decision whether to delete, I'd decline and improve the article, not simply decline to delete. I don't see why other admins would complain about improvements, and after all there's no sense in having all that background work go to waste. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support in my RfA, which was closed as successful. Also, I'm incredibly envious of your Florida weather at the moment - it was hailing here last night! Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats, and thanks for the Spam. The view out my window today does not lead one to seek a day at the park though :{. Dloh cierekim  15:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Best I Never Had (album)
You tagged this article for deletion under criterion A9, but I've declined it — A9 doesn't apply to articles about music whose musicians have articles. Nyttend (talk) 21:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

User talk:92.26.164.112
Hope so. I thought I explained it carefully enough... Now you and another editor have also posted on his talk page, as you say, hopefully it'll do the trick. I did report him though - I had to once I'd said I would. Thanks :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how much more of a warning you think was required... Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:32, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He is still going - I think the report was justified. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Was still going. Thanks for the heads up. Your note EC'd my reply to you. I give 4-5 warnings. he's one short, but this is ridiculous. Two admins told him to stop and he kept going. Now he's blocked. Cheers, Dloh  cierekim
 * Exactly. I rarely report anyone, and I do try and talk things through with editors first, but the messages and warnings clearly weren't having any effect. I did only give two templated warnings, but there were several edit summaries from me and you, plus my initial note to him. I'll send more templated warnings next time. I did think two admins' input might make him take notice though! All the best, Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not surprised. merely disappointed. He just told me to climb down of my high horse. A bit ego deflating for the lofty admin, hee hee. I suggested he read the links you and materiascientist left.  Dloh  cierekim  00:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hahah, he's not only let you down, he's let himself down too. Let's hope he doesn't just come back and start again... Keep feeding that high horse! ;) Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There used to be a local sci fi movie show on Saturdays, hosted by the character "Dr. Paul Bearer." He would close the show with, "I'l be lurking for youuu, heh, heh." I'll be lurking for this one. Dloh  cierekim  01:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I've asked this question before: Is there an administrator tool that alerts you when a particular user has made an edit? It would be useful if I could create a special watchlist for editors (rather than articles) that would cause a yellow-box message to appear on my display, similar to when someone makes an edit to my talk page. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you go to a user's contributions page, then expand the toolbox, there's a link called "atom" that you can use to generate a link like this. ErikHaugen (talk) 17:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I wish. I too wish there was a button that would alert me when an editor of special interest was back to there evil ways.  Dloh  cierekim  01:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it'd be handy in this case... he's really not happy with you by the way - he's getting a little rowdy on his talk page! Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well. We cannot please everyone. Better he should raise hell there than in article space. Gotta stop responding though. If I leave him a lone now, he'll find something else to do. Dloh  cierekim  01:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I sense that he's particularly hard to please anyway. No joy in life that way! Bretonbanquet (talk) 01:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. Dloh  cierekim  01:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Erik Dloh cierekim  15:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Germans
As long as you refrain from mentioning the war, we'll be fine. Badger Drink (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC) HAH! LOLROF Dloh  cierekim  16:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

VF
Maybe I should've been clearer. I was referring to the idea mentioned here. The idea is to have a 'vandalfighter' right, higher than 'rollbacker', that would give the ability to block non-autoconfirmed editors etc., with the right being given and removed by a bureaucrat without going through the RFA gauntlet. Maybe I'm being over-sensitive, but I can't get out of my head the stupidest, most insensitive, most arrogant, most counter-productive edit I've ever seen on Wikipedia - see the last part of the penultimate sentence of |this. If that's what achieving community consensus means, then I want no part of it. I'll just keep on honing my anti-vandal tool, and leave the bits I don't have the bit for to someone else. Philip Trueman (talk) 00:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did not know it could be granted w/o running the gantlet. I know exactly what you mean. Keep up the good work. Dloh  cierekim  00:37, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Robin Boudreaux
You have deleted a page about jazz saxophonist and composer Robin Boudreaux, I believe this was in error. A simple Google search will show that he is very active and relevant to the culture of the genre. You flagged A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)). This flag A7 is clearly not applicable to the article as this was referring to a real person whose activities are reflected by web content.  Please reconsider, remove from deletion and be more cautious about deleting articles about real people who are known in their respective fields.  THanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninodorado (talk • contribs) 17:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm--- nothing in the article intimates at meeting WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC. Can you point me to the links to significant coverage with verifiable information from 3rd party sources showing she meets these notability requirements. Being very active is not sufficient-- this is an encyclopedia, you know. :) I don't know where you got your interpretation of A7-- there is no assertion of significance in the article. (I was not the one to flag it, I merely grudgingly agreed with the rationale and proceeded with deletion.)  Also, the article here appears to be from THIS copyrighted source. Ordinarily, I would restore or userfy the article. But this must but does not meet the GFDL. Even if you authored the FM piece, it must have a statement releasing it under the GFDL.


 * What is your connection with the subject? I must caution you against against conflicts of interest. Pardon my frankness if I am wrong, but it looks to me like you are either out to promote her work or your own. Dloh cierekim  19:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Cary, North Carolina mayoral election, 2007
An article that you have been involved in editing, Cary, North Carolina mayoral election, 2007, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 02:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Help me
Please point the way to tool that allows me to generate a citation by inputting the url. Thanks. Dloh cierekim  14:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There are several at Citation tools; I'm not sure which is most appropriate for your needs, though. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please only use the helpme template on your user talk page.  Hazard-SJ  Talk 14:06, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ultra. Got what I needed. Dloh cierekim

Testing the waters
How would you feel about redirecting William H. Knight to Greensboro, North Carolina? He appears to be rather non-notable as far as WP:POLITICIAN goes, could arguably fall under WP:ONEVENT since the only coverage is for his election, and is part of a larger article creation spree by a new editor about other relatively non-notable subjects that appear to be of personal interest, thus conceivably failing WP:NPOV. Until there's more coverage, I don't see a reason for this to be a stand-alone article. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 23:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably not a bad idea. Though with a city the size of Greenboro, the mayor is probably sufficiently notable for a stub. More effort should be spent sifting sources and adding content. Unfortunately, I've not the time to WP:BEFORE and the creator has gone on too create another marginally notable stub. I'll try to drop them a note suggesting they work on Knight. The time consuming part is the actual research and sifting to find material for an article. Not everyone is good at that. Dloh  cierekim  13:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Or has the inclination I'll go ahead the do the redirect. 69.181.249.92 (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

First day on the job
Well, my RfA passed. I decided that my first backlog would be something easy: WP:RFPP. I wouldn't mind if you'd evaluate my judgment on those tagged with my name.

My gosh, it never ends. As soon as I dispense with them, more appear. Backlogs are never actually cleared. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Ukrainian Jew
There is no such thing as a "Ukrainian Jew" - Ukrainians/Ruthenians and such were distinct from Jews and had no interaction. It is a misleading list and Galician Jews covers nearly all the entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatsmayer (talk • contribs) 16:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now you're trolling. I will continue to revert you indefinitely. Sorry. Tatsmayer (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for enlightening me. However, the two different lists have different contents, and a redirect of this magnitude, effectively deleting the content of the redirected article, will require discussion and a consensus, ably via discussion at Talk:List_of_Ukrainian_Jews. You should have no difficulty swaying other users to your opinion. Once again. do not move this page without consensus. Dloh cierekim  16:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Given that List of Ukrainian Jews has a history extending back four years, I believe that article should have precedence, despite the efforts to singlehandedly decide "there's no such thing as a Ukrainian Jew".  He appears to be involved in a bit of Wikipedia ethnic cleansing, denying that anyone who calls themself Ukrainian could ever also call themself a Jew.  My own personal opinion is that his actions constitute vandalism and that he should be blocked, at least temporarily, for such efforts.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: reverted my redirect of the new article back to the original.  Rather than engage in endless warring over this, I have invited him to join our discussion here.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Only thing I did was fix an infinite redirect, the redirects were both pointing at each other from what I was seeing. --Ender The Xenocide | ( Talk | Contribs) 01:21, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It would seem that I was having a weird caching issue, My bad. I'd be happy to weigh in on this though, as a long time wiki user. I've handled a few editwars in my time here and it would seem that  needs to observe order here, and probably just let this one go, or take it to his/her notice board of choice. --Ender The Xenocide | ( Talk | Contribs) 01:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll say it again Redirection of a long standing article requires consensus. The effort to do so without discussion is my opinion, POV pushing at best. Will be happy to bring this to any notice board that Tatsmayer wishes. Dloh  cierekim  17:28, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * @ ender: No Problem. You just got caught up in a mess. Tatsmayer has redirected five times and been reverted. You are invited to weigh in on the article talk page to discuss the move. Dloh  cierekim  01:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Salting
I thought you might know: is there a way to salt an article I've already deleted without first restoring it? ~Amatulić (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Simply set "create protection" on the redlinked page. But it should only be done for pages that are repeatedly recreated in violation of policy. – xeno talk 19:00, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. "Salting" simply means "full-protect of a deleted page". OK, thanks. In this case it's a vandal-attracting redirect I deleted as a result of RFD. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Proof of identity
I think a more robust method would be to use the User committed identity scheme. – xeno talk 23:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Guess I gotta do that. This Marskell mess might be enough to motivate me. Dloh cierekim  23:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Xeno. Easier than I thought. Dloh cierekim  23:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Requests_for_adminship/Terrasidius
I've taken my place in the gauntlet. Dloh cierekim  02:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the input! Ive ran your gauntlet! Going to bed now, tired...Ill check back tomorrow! :) ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ (Ταλκ ) 03:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Not good
Please don't even think about starting (or continuing) another ANI thread with the insulting section title you used. You/anyone should know better. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 12:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you just e-mail me? Yep, I am fine.  Busy is the norm :)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:49, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're OK, I'm OK. my best, Dloh  cierekim  15:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Wasn't sure it was you :) Yep, I'm better than ever, but had one hell of a year !  Thanks for asking, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, if anyone ever doubts who I am, you now know my RL. :) Dloh  cierekim  15:54, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Careful with that one, LOL !! Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

resolved problem
Just in case you didn't notice, he did it again - but it was quickly reverted by Xeno. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See user's talk. Dloh  cierekim  21:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I just saw it - no more to say then, I guess. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

It's the 31st. as good a time as ever to archvie this talk page @2400 zulu

Pong
Replied :) Not Nerd : On WR  21:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)