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May I help with the Vancouver, Washington marker?
I just need to understand what is wrong with it and I'll do my best to correct it. Thanks C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
 * P.S. Sorry, that I can't keep up but my current internet is rubbish and goes out a lot. Trying my best. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 15:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Fixed the "Flags", added that it is the 1st and 3rd flags of the Confederate States. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 16:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Did I get everything? And is there anything else?  Which articles?  Thanks, C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


 * In Jefferson Davis Park, “Vancouver stone markers”. I thought there was only one Vancouver marker. Also, please update Modern display of the Confederate flag. deisenbe (talk) 10:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed the typo but don't understand about the Modern display of the Confederate flag and what needs to be updated. The Jeff Davis Park flies the 1st and 3rd versions of the Flags of the Confederate States along with the Bonny Blue Flag; there is nothing about the Battle Flag beyond the symbols for the UDC and SCV on the billboard.  What needs attention specifically?  C. W. Gilmore (talk) 10:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Modern display of the Confederate flag needs updating, with link to Park article. deisenbe (talk) 10:51, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks and I worked on Jeff Davis Park to clear out the issues you raised. Please let me know what else I can do.  Headed to Modern display of the Confederate flag to update as you suggest.  Thanks for help.  C. W. Gilmore (talk) 11:58, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Please look at the last sentence of the Park article. deisenbe (talk) 12:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I cleaned up that last sentence to clarify the details to match RS, also updated Modern display of the Confederate flag and MB298 uploaded an image of the flags which I added to both articles. Please let me know if I can help with anything else, thanks - C. W. Gilmore (talk) 11:07, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I found it! I just forgot where you want it.  This  source states that the Vancouver stone was originally installed "near Covington House at the north end of Main Street in 1939, and it remained there until 1998."  It was Main St. as I suspected that was Old Hwy 99, but now I forgot where you wanted me to insert this detail.  Help!  C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:15, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * In the Park article? deisenbe (talk) 01:20, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I added it to the first sentence of the Vancouver stone section, but not sure that's where you wanted it. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 02:41, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Were the markers in Blaine and Vancouver the only markers in Washington state? If so this should be stated in the Removal and Park articles. Thanks for your efforts. deisenbe (talk) 11:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, only the two, one at either end of Old Hwy 99, Blaine and Vancouver. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Modern display of the Confederate flag
What do you think of adding a new section on conservative politics in general? I've noted that since Obama ran for President, a rise of the use of the Confederate battle flag at rallies; not just far-right groups and white nationalists, but among Trump supports, and nativist groups as well. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:04, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Section on 'Trump Rallies' added and I included your Poland citation. It may need your touch to clean up and let me know what changes are needed.  ThanksC. W. Gilmore (talk) 23:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this a RS, I would love to add it -  C. W. Gilmore (talk) 23:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it’s reliable. Put it in. Will go over the article tomorrow. deisenbe (talk) 01:41, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * And maybe this as a RS as well[Far-Right Groups Surge Into National View in Charlottesville]? Thank for checking C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:46, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Don’t understand the question. deisenbe (talk) 02:26, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if I could use the Getty image as a reference 4 the Confederate flag showing up at Trump events?C. W. Gilmore (talk) 03:47, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Just found: Christiansburg High School and it's 2015 "Confederate Flag Protest" complete with images  but you are much better at this than I.  C. W. Gilmore (talk) 15:56, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you think I’m better at. But on Wikimedia there’s a picture of a movie theater showing Gone with the Wind in 1940 with confederate flag in front. deisenbe (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You know better, which article something like this belongs. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * On Christianburg, do you have https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Confederate_Flag_Protest_at_Christiansburg_High_School.jpg ? deisenbe (talk) 17:02, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that one is on the high school's article, there school protest happened in 2015 and again in 2016 by 'students'. I thought this might be noted somewhere like Modern display of the Confederate flag or another article as it seems notable.  I'm unsure of which article to place it or the best way to incorporate it into the article and hoping you had some directional help for me.  C. W. Gilmore (talk) 21:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I added it to "See also". Any other questions? deisenbe (talk) 22:06, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

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Etymology of "Maroon", "Seminole, and "cimarrón"
Re: your addition of a "failed verification" tag on the etymology of "Maroon", "Seminole, and "'cimarrón'" in the Black Seminole article. Perhaps you missed that if you click on the word "maroon" in the etymology of "Seminole" it takes you to the  page showing the verb form, which says "put ashore on a desolate island or coast," 1724 (implied in marooning), earlier "to be lost in the wild" (1690s); from maron (n.) "fugitive black slave in the jungles of W.Indies and Dutch Guyana" (1660s), earlier symeron (1620s), from French marron, said to be a corruption of Spanish cimmaron "wild, untamed," from Old Spanish cimarra "thicket". This appears to me to verify the WP article's etymology. Carlstak (talk) 12:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I would prefer to carry on this conversation here, if that's okay with you. Webster's New World College Dictionary says: Cimarron – American Spanish cimarrón, wild, unruly (from Old Spanish cimarra, thicket): probably origin, originally referring to the wild sheep (bighorn) found along its banks.
 * The WNWCD is the official desk dictionary of the Associated Press, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and United Press International, so I think it's fair to say that in the article's etymology.
 * Also, Janis L. Pallister wrote in her biography of Aime Cesaire, the poet, playwright, and essayist from Martinique: "Central to this poem is the play on the word marronner ('to maroon, to abandon, to give something a chestnut color'; to pull the chestnut out of the fire, and alluding also to the fugitive slave). Derived from American Spanish cimarron (wild, unruly) and from the Old Spanish cimarra (thicket), the word has been fused with the French word matron, derived from Italian Marrone (a chestnut color), to create multiple associations and meanings." Her book predates Douglas Harper's etymonline website by ten years. Carlstak (talk) 01:38, 20 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I don’t have a problem with that reference, it’s a big improvement. I think it’s wrong (I have a Ph.D. in Spanish and taught History of the Spanish Language for many years), but it can stay. I have five books in front of me to read (I have other things to do). You might be interested in the Spanish Wikipedia’s article es:Cimarrón, where it is clearly stated to be what we would call a feral animal, a formerly domestic animal that is now on its own. deisenbe (talk) 20:03, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, your curriculum vitae isn't at issue here; we're talking about the etymology of the word, not its most common present-day usage. It's not as if scholarly work hasn't been done on this question; it took me a while to find the source I had in mind, one which deprecates the given etymology, and it happens that you are correct, at least according to Leo Spitzer. I will amend the article to reflect it, since we agree that Etymonline is an unreliable source, and we have a better source which you may appreciate as a former language professor, although it is an older reference.
 * Spitzer says: "Gamillscheg adds that this cimarra can not, because of the un-Romance ending -arra, belong to Latin cyma. Evidently not, for this so-called OSp. cimarra 'thicket' is a fancy of Lenz, imagined by this scholar in his Diccionario etimológico de las voces chilenas... for the benefit of his etymology." Carlstak (talk) 23:41, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You’ve done more work than me. Spitzer is golden. deisenbe (talk) 00:46, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing out the issue, deisenbe. I've amended and moved the etymology in the section; if you find any errors in my changes I will be happy to fix them. Carlstak (talk) 02:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:List of lynching victims in the United States. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 03:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick response. I removed the "incomplete list" tag because it seems to be the wrong one and is likely going to be deleted as a template. But before putting on any template, we need to decide what belongs on the list.  Only African-Americans who were actually lynched?  How about Mexican-American who were lynched with similar racial motivation?  How about white horse thieves?  Different academic databases have different requirements to be listed, e.g. one (Tuskeegee?) requires that nobody was prosecuted for the crime of lynching.  Does that really matter?  In any case, if we can decide what qualifies for the list and get a complete list online, we can likely do away with the incomplete tag.  i.e. we can put a set of lists up (probably by state) that are complete according to our requirements.  Please let me know what you think.  Smallbones( smalltalk ) 13:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * I am totally unqualified and do not have time to do this. I suggest you post it at Teahouse. deisenbe (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

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List of lynching victims in the United States
Hello. Would you have the patience to reorder the List of lynching victims in the United States in alphabetical order for the surname, not the given name please?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually I am not even sure that there is a particular order on this list...Zigzig20s (talk) 22:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Chronological order would be better.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:13, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * No there is no order, and there can't be, and it isn't needed. If you go through the documentation on lists, you'll find there is no way to rearrange what might be called the base list, the entries as people put them in. What you could call the defailt list, the way it comes up the first time. Nothing can be done with that, to my knowledge, unless you want to sort and then maintain them manually, and I don’t. And then there’s the question of the order they should be in. But you can get the table sorted any way you want, ascending or descending, just by clicking on any column header.


 * There is a way to get names to sort by last name, but I’ll let someone else fix that, I’ve put in enough time already. deisenbe (talk) 01:31, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh yes I see what you mean, if we click on "year", it comes up chronologically.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:34, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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Would you consider using the template
Hi Deisenbe, would you consider using the  template for articles like "Josiah Francis", and then removing it when you are done, so other editors know when you are finished working (at least for the time being) on an article? Carlstak (talk) 17:19, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Jane Landers will be sharing recent findings before and after the Fort Mose period at Fort Mose
I understand you live in south Florida, but thought you might be interested to know that Jane Landers, Project Historian of the Fort Mose Research Team, will be sharing recent findings concerning events before and after the Fort Mose period at Fort Mose Thursday, May 10, at 6 pm, in case you happened to be up this way. Dr. Landers' talk is part of the Fort Mose Speaker Series. That's today, but I don't know if I'll be able to attend. (I spelled it the way the notice I got spells it. She and Kathleen Deagan spell it "Mose".) Carlstak (talk) 16:02, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that’s about four hours from me. I live in Boca Raton, near Ft. Lauderdale. deisenbe (talk) 16:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I lived in Ft. Lauderdale in 1959, on one of the canals. I'll be going to the lecture, will report on anything interesting. Carlstak (talk) 18:30, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * One piece of evidence on pronunciation is that all the early references in English, to my knowledge, call it "Mosse” or "Mossy", which suggests they didn't hear the Spaniards saying Mosé. deisenbe (talk) 18:37, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, the same had occurred to me re: another corrupted version: "Moosa". Carlstak (talk) 21:19, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Jane Landers spoke; Kathleen Deagan and Susan Parker were there as well. The topic was "Francisco Menéndez, Captain of Gracia de Santa Teresa de Mose, Florida 1728–1763" (whose article on WP needs some work, it doesn't even mention that he was a Mandinga). Landers pointed us to the new, still under construction website, Slave Societies Digital Archive, that she and students have put together to preserve historical documents from various archives, a most useful resource. Her lecture was sponsored by the Fort Mose Historical Society, who really know how to get things done, with many luminaries of the black community in attendance. I bought a copy of ''Gracia Real de Santa Teresa de Mose: A Free Black Town in Spanish Colonial Florida Carlstak (talk) 03:36, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I think we need to explicate who the namesakes of Josiah Francis were.
In the "Name" section of Josiah Francis (Hillis Hadjo), I think we need to explicate who was the "leader with followers, who had had a lifestyle change midlife" and who the "more learned but sedentary and isolated king" was. I thought perhaps you were referring in the first instance to Francis I of France, but he was a man of letters, and in the second instance I assume you were referring to Josiah, the king of Judah, which would fit. Without disambiguation, it's confusing to the reader. Carlstak (talk) 14:36, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. Do we have certain requirements for articles about lynchings please? For example I created Lynching of Jim Taylor but I am not sure there is much more to say.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That article looks fine. deisenbe (talk) 14:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * OK thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:03, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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Bobby Lovett
Hello. I see you are citing Bobby Lovett. I created a stub about him a while back and when we expand it (for example, by citing reviews of his books), we could nominate it for DYK if you are interested? This is part of my ongoing effort to create more articles about African-American intellectuals.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:34, 26 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't know where I cited him, should be a link but isn't, and I don't understand what you're asking of me. deisenbe (talk) 13:45, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added an authorlink. Just if you're interested in expanding his article with me. But you don't have to.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Ochlocknee, Georgia
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 * Sorry, but I know nothing about it. deisenbe (talk) 15:00, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I was actually looking for a list with similar days...It's not exactly a memorial or monument...Zigzig20s (talk) 15:06, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Extent of Spanish control of Florida
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Sidebar
Could you please show me an example of a sidebar? Just not sure what you mean. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure. See Reform Judaism. deisenbe (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Would you mind removing the n word from the other page please? Or just edit it as "the n word." It's creepy enough as it is.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't censor it if I'm quoting Mark Twain, but having to see it on the screen like that is shocking!Zigzig20s (talk) 12:50, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Flagger (Confederate flag erector)


The article Flagger (Confederate flag erector) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "WP:NEOLOGISM which is not used by reliable sources."

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Second opinion
Hi. We are trying to find a way to add more referenced content about Nathan Bedford Forrest and his Nathan Bedford Forrest Bust|bust]] to a few articles, especially that one and this one, at User talk:Carptrash. Since you edit a lot about CSA monuments, perhaps you would be a good editor to do this well?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:56, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m not positive what you want, but I don’t think I’m the right one. I know nothing about Nashville or what would be appropriate in such an article. Thanks for asking. deisenbe (talk) 11:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Texas Confederate Museum


A tag has been placed on Texas Confederate Museum requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/lbt06. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Help me
I wrote an article on the Texas Confederate Museum. It was marked for speedy deletion because of copyright violation. I contested this and said I was rewriting it with other sources, and in fact I’ve been doing that this morning (adding other sources). But now it is gone with not even a word to me. I don’t even have a copy of my work from this morning.

This is very discouraging. What should I do?

deisenbe (talk) 15:07, 3 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Last copy e-mailed. Ron h jones (Talk) 17:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Help me!
Thank you for the email with my work on the deleted article.

Why was there no reply to my saying I was working on the article to addrsss the copyright issue?

Why was the article deleted when I was actively working on it?

At the least this is a great example of lack of courtesy.

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 * Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, even if only for a short time while you are "working on it". If you want to work on it, do so offline and then upload to Wikipedia once the copyright issues have been addressed. If you want more help, change the help me-helped back into a help me, stop by the Teahouse, Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 15:50, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

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