User talk:Delsongroup

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Speedy deletion nomination of WORLD WIRELESS ACADEMY


A tag has been placed on WORLD WIRELESS ACADEMY, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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Conflict of interest
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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. HaugenErik (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

February 2013
This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia because your username, Delsongroup, does not meet our username policy. '''Your username is the only reason for this block. You are welcome to choose a new username (see below).''' A username should not be promotional, related to a "real-world" group or organization, misleading, offensive or disruptive. Also, usernames may not end in the word "bot" unless the account is an approved bot account. You are encouraged to choose a new account name that meets our policy guidelines and create the account yourself. Alternatively, if you have already made edits and you wish to keep your existing contributions under a new name, then you may request a change in username by:
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If you feel that you were blocked in error, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello, before we can process your unblock request, please let us know what username you wish to be renamed to. Also please let us know that you have looked at and understand wikipedia's policy about promotional material. Thanks, Mike V  •  Talk  22:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, you'll need to assure us you will not make any legal threats as you already did. Your trademark does not mean that nobody ever can use your name, and Wikipedia is not in violation of laws by using your company's name. Assure us you will not make any threats/accusations of that kind again, and give a new username, and your request may be considered. gwickwire talk editing 00:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This editor does not appear to have made a legal threat against Wikipedia or any editors, nor suggested that Wikipedia is in violation of any laws. HaugenErik (talk) 19:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm actually more concerned with "Delson Group sued GSM Association on trademark infringement" which implies the same would occur here. I see no reason to unblock even with a username change.  The editor isn't here to improve the encyclopedia.  Any legal concerns should be directed to legal@wikimedia.org. Ryan Vesey 19:19, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, Ryan, you are both misreading the comment. The reasons for Delson suing GSMA have nothing to do with anything Wikipedia is doing, and this editor is not implying in any way that anyone is going to sue Wikipedia. The editor is simply trying to explain why Mobile World Congress should not be about what it is currently about. There are two things called "Mobile World Congress". The article Mobile World Congress is about one of them—the one put on by GSMA. The other one is by Delson Group. This editor is unhappy—for obvious reasons—that the subject described at the article Mobile World Congress is the GSMA one, thinks it is improper, and tried to "fix" the article Mobile World Congress. Of course, Wikipedia is not going to guess how this trademark dispute will go down, so we're probably not going to make the desired change to the article at Mobile World Congress, but this user is not making legal threats. HaugenErik (talk) 22:29, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, we really aren't. This user has claimed trademark and tried to threaten us with "we are suing XX for the same reason" to try to get us to stop. That's a legal threat. The user is trying to get us to stop using their trademark of "Mobile World Congress". They are trying to threaten us saying "you can't use it unless you promote and advertise our version and if you don't we'll sue you as we are XX company now". That's a legal threat. gwickwire  talk editing 22:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, it very clearly says that "Delson Group NEVER authorizes anyone or any company to use MOBILE WORLD CONGRESS without written legal permission or license from Delson Group," which really proves that it's a legal threat more than anything else. It's implying that Delson will sue Wikipedia as somebody using the term without their precious "legal permission." RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 22:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, guys, this is really not the time or place to bicker about what's a legal threat and what isn't. They're blocked for the username, not for legal threats; let's wait to hear back from them on that issue first before we get into what they may or may not have meant (which we can't know for sure without their input). Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 23:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone is suggesting not unblocking b/c of legal threats, I'm not sure why this wouldn't be the place to discuss that. HaugenErik (talk) 00:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * RSF—"use MOBILE WORLD CONGRESS" in this context means to use it as a trademark. WMF has not changed its name to "Mobile World Congress", so we are not "using" it in that sense. HaugenErik (talk) 00:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, HaugenErik, but based on the way it was phrased, it is implied that this user did not understand that, and still feels that the article is copyright infringement. Thus resulting in a (wholly unfounded) legal threat against Wikipedia. As Gwickwire said below, it's very clear from the blanking and apparent controversy between GSMA and Delson Group that a legal threat is intended. RedSoxFan2434 (talk) 02:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * We're just repeating ourselves here, right? I'm responding below about blanking, and I think I've already responded to the rest of this. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 22:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * we are suing XX for the same reason—The "for the same reason" part is wrong, Gwickwire—this editor never said "for the same reason" or anything like it. Wikipedia is not doing the same thing that GSMA is alleged to have done, so there's no "same reason". Hence, no legal threat. Let me try to rephrase user:Delsongroup's note: "Hey, this subject isn't the real "Mobile World Congress" so let's get rid of this article. We're suing GSMA to try to fix the confusion." (Hopefully this editor can clarify if that is not exactly what was intended.) Not convincing, of course, but not a legal threat. HaugenErik (talk) 00:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Erik is correct here. It wasn't a legal threat. Ryan Vesey 01:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "Delson Group sued GSM Association on trademark infringement, now pending in Federal Courts. Delson Group NEVER authorizes anyone or any company to use MOBILE WORLD CONGRESS without written legal permission or license from Delson Group." Copied directly from one of their comments. That's a legal threat for us to have to "obtain written legal permission or license" to use the name. However frivolous, blatantly wrong, and without legal basis, it's still a legal threat. His note may also be wrong, as on the GSMA website THEY claim to own the trademark. Regardless, they're trying to disallow us from using the name (hence the blanking of the article, if they just wanted their content up they would've added it) by threatening us with a lawsuit. Even if they don't sue, it's a chilling effect situation. gwickwire  talk editing 01:11, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Did you read Erik's comment? Specifically this one? It's clear he's correct and that they weren't doing what you think (and I thought) they were doing. His edit was directed towards GSMA not us. Ryan Vesey 02:40, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I did Ryan, and I'd not like to turn this up in heat. However, I have to disagree. I believe that the user is attempting to get us to advertise or promote their (Delson Group) version of the "Mobile World Congress". To my looks, GSMA owns a trademark (or at least in every public way possible claims to) to the name, which either means that this user is lying or the GSMA is lying. Regardless, their blanking of the article and replacing with the "trademark notice" means that they are trying to stop Wikipedia from having the name on it at all, just didn't know how to request deletion. I can't tell you the exact intentions of the user, but it's clear to me that they are here for either a chilling effect to get us to promote/only have an article on them, or just to make legal threats to have it taken down. WP:DOLT applies here big time. If his edit were directed toward GSMA, it would've been directed toward them, not a Wikipedia article. Regardless, until they affirm that they are not, and will not take any action against Wikipedia, the DOLT/NLT policies say that we should leave them blocked. gwickwire  talk editing 03:04, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: I blocked because of the username, in part because I found it difficult to determine easily whether the claims were a legal threat or not, and clearly there is some difference of opinion. Their edits were disruptive and needed stopping, and the username is clearly a violation. In other words, while strictly speaking they are not blocked for NLT, I do have serious concerns about the legal matter. The easiest thing to do for this editor, who by the way seems to have little interest in participating in this discussion, is to disavow legal action against us. Simple. But maybe we should hold off further discussion until we figure out whether this editor is still "here", still interested in being here. Drmies (talk) 03:10, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what I was trying to say. There's no sense in arguing amongst ourselves until we get a coherent response from Delsongroup. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 03:38, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I have no interest in arguing this as long as the unblock isn't withheld for this reason, but it is very important that this user is not blocked for making legal threats when none have been made. So please understand if I continue discussing this as long as any are arguing for keeping this editor blocked for making legal threats. Gwickwire, you said if they just wanted their content up they would've added it—no, we certainly can't assume that, if for no other reason than writing an article is a lot of work! The rest of what you are saying is essentially repeating your earlier points; I won't bother rehashing my rebuttal to them. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 22:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Legal threats
Delsongroup, please pardon the discussion above if it is unclear. The important thing for you to know is that some other Wikipedia editors (not me) interpreted something you wrote (namely this) as a legal threat against Wikipedia, its editors, and/or the Wikimedia Foundation. Regardless of whether this is an accurate interpretation of anything you wrote, if you would like to continue editing, it would be helpful if you would say really clearly right here that you didn't make any legal threats and that you disavow legal action here. You can read this policy for more, but really that is all you need to do. Thanks, and sorry about all this. ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 22:30, 2 March 2013 (UTC)