User talk:Demyx9/Durmstrang Location Debate

Durmstrang.
No, it isn't enough for me. What is "Russian style clothing?" Stanislav Ianevski is Bulgarian (as is the character he plays), not Russian. Predrag Bjelac (who plays Igor Karkaroff) is Serbian, not Russian. There are many countries in Europe that are (at least partly) north of Scotland, including Ireland, Northern Ireland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Greenland(Den.), Denmark, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Svalbard (Nor.). Where does Rowling ever say that Durmstrang is in Russia? Or that they wear "Russian clothes?" And how do you know that the Triwizard Tournament takes the biggest schools in Europe? We're never told about any other schools, there could be bigger ones. And obviously Beauxbatons is in France, though technically we're never told where it is. faithless  (speak)  13:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The films are not canon, therefore it doesn't matter. Yes, in the books they wear furs and red robes. In what way is that indicative of Russia? So all of the Durmstrang people were Russian, aside from Krum and Karkaroff? What proof do you have? faithless   (speak)  13:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do believe that Beauxbatons is in France. But as we're never told where it is, it cannot be included in Wikipedia. Remember, it is verifiability, not truth that WP is after. The same is true for Durmstrang: we are never told where the school is, except that it is located "to the north." I already gave you a list of European countries to the north of Scotland. Why couldn't Durmstrang be in Finland? faithless   (speak)  13:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

That is just plain incorrect. Chris Rankin (Percy Weasley) is from New Zealand, Sir Michael Gambon and Richard Harris both are Irish, Eleanor Columbus (Susan Bones) is American, Angelica Mandy (Gabrielle Delacour) is English, etc. And obviously neither Krum nor Karkaroff were Russian. Do you have any proof that all of those actors were Russian? faithless  (speak)  14:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC) Oh, and thanks for apologizing. No hard feelings. faithless  (speak)  14:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone got cut by my edgy-ness

 * I wasn't insulting you. Ask Faithless - he knows when I shred someone, and it's a popcorn-eating event. Really. I did call you out for making some pretty unsupported statements, but I attacked the statements, not you. I would think you'd be happy that we nipped this OR by synthesis issue in the bud. I am not mad or anything at you. You could be a bt more charitable towards your fellow editors, giving them the assumption of good faith. I didn't call you names, and I know for a fact that there are editors who would have, for arguing about crufty stuff. I do want you to become a better editor, and while you may be pretty good, you missed that you were adding synthesized original research, and that's a pretty bad habit to develop.
 * Again, I wasn't insulting you; I was pointedly pointing out some points. If you are unsure of something, do what you just did, and ask me. Faithless will also tell you that I am a helpful guy. :) - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  15:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Btw, you asked what cowboy up, etc meant. I answered you here. :) - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  15:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actual;ly, take a closer look at the statements you removed ormissed in Faith's Talk page. I said that there were editors who would call you that. i didn't even suggest tha tI were oneof them, or that you deserved such an appelation. I do appreciate you relenting on the Russian thing. I think JKR purposely meant it to be ambiguous, so as to not lock her into any geopolitical real-world discussion if, for example, Russia were to suddenly start launching nuclear weapons or something. Durmstrang doesn't have nukes, so problem avoided. And my bad about assuming you were a non-speaker. Most English-language wikipedians know the term cruft and nary (tho' that last on is kinda old-word). No insult was intended. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  15:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

It's true, I don't think Arcayne was trying to insult you; he's just an ass. :P But he means nothing by it. But back to Durmstrang: you could very well be right. I don't think anyone was saying you weren't. But the simple fact of the matter is that we don't know. Russia is as good a guess as any, but that's just it: it's a guess. And like I said earlier, it's all about verifiability. Even if it's true, we can't include anything unless it's directly stated by Rowling to be true. Otherwise it's original research. Cheers, faithless   (speak)  15:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Please don't
remove other people's comments from discussion pages. faithless  (speak)  14:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. faithless   (speak)  14:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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