User talk:Dendodge/Archives/2009/September

RfA
Hey, just curious, have you considered taking another shot at RfA? – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My plan is to wait at least another year before I self nom, but to accept offers of nominations by other people before then, if anybody trusts me enough to nominate me. Den dodge T\C 21:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I think you have as good a shot as any to pass, so I'd be happy to nom you. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * See Requests for adminship/Dendodge 4 - I've written the nom statement, so feel free to answer the questions at any time. I'd like to contact Malinaccier before we go live, however. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, good luck then! – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Just an FYI, but your answer to Q11 might have been a tad off. An admin would still need to come around and delete any larger revisions of the file. On a different note, I'm not sure if it is just my browser or what, but the layout of the page tabs, toolbox, etc while editing a section on your talk page is a tad hosed. I'm using IE 8.0.--Rockfang (talk) 04:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It happens in Firefox too, and it happens when editing the full page too. I think there might be an unclosed div tag somewhere in the edit notice.  -- Soap Talk/Contributions 04:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't believe I've never noticed that! I might as well delete my editnotice anyway, TBH. Den dodge T\C 07:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry about the RfA, bud. You had a good chance this time, you really did. Jamie  S93  20:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Ringo Starr refs
Two comments about your recent edits to Ringo Starr. &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 13:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Please add page numbers when adding refs to books.
 * 2) I disagree with your comment that adding an unreliable source is better than no source at all. In fact, I feel it's quite the opposite: it gives the air of authenticity to something that is suspect. If you've looked in legitimate sources and can't find the information, it's better to add fact or cn rather than an unreliable source: the templates call attention to the need for more research&mdash;or removal&mdash;whereas the unreliable sources hide the lack of legitimate documentation.

P.S. I should admit that I've used Beatle Bible, too, but it depends on the information being presented. I wouldn't depend on it for an exact quote from someone, but I might use it for something that's not as important, or something that's not controversial. I haven't used the Beatles Trivia site... not sure I would. &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 13:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's definitely true information, but I couldn't find any refs. I didn't like the look of the trivia site either, to be honest, and won't use it in future. Is The Beatles Bible considered reliable, or should we not use it? Den dodge T\C 13:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the official word on both sites is that they are not reliable because they are not (A) written by professional authors/reviewers who are published elsewhere and (B) they are not published by reliable publishers with fact-checking departments, etc.
 * In my opinion, The Beatles Bible is somewhat reliable because it aggregates information found in reliable sources. You'll note, for example, that most of the credits/personnel sections from The Beatles Bible are copied from Ian MacDonald's Revolution in the Head. Lately, I've noticed citations/attributions on The Beatles Bible pages that list its sources. With that information, we can use it as an easy to search index to find a more direct source. &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 13:48, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You just reminded me that I have that book. I dug it out, and replaced some of the refs with it. Den dodge T\C 14:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Scorpions
Didn't you say you'd retire if the album art of the scorpions album art wasn't removed? Whatcha doing here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.152.216.35 (talk) 17:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * When I made that comment, I didn't quite understand the circumstances behind the cover, etc. I have been more thoroughly informed since, and withdrew the threat. Den dodge T\C 17:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Your RfA
Hello! Well, I was just about to make my comment in it (I usually work on some of these off wiki in a word file and then post them so I can make a thorough evaluation), but see it was closed before I could post. So, in the off chance my comments in themselves are of any use...Here is what I planned to post:


 * 1) Support, as I did last time per User:A_Nobody/RfA in that candidate has never been blocked, has received positive recognition from peers as seen at User:Dendodge/awards, has created over a dozen articles and earned some DYKs (I notice the interest in The Beatles, and so as an aside, I pre-ordered The Beatles: Rock Band for my PlayStation 3!), and has visited multiple countries as listed on his userpage (i.e. is "worldly", which is important due to the diversity of our editors). The candidate makes a good argument at Articles for deletion/Teeswater (sheep) along the lines of Potential, not just current state, although the argument at Articles for deletion/SS Botany Bay is somewhat weak per User:Stifle/Don't say non-notable (only "somewhat" in that at least the candidate makes a merge suggestion per WP:PRESERVE).

So, anyway, you would have had at least one more support and I hope the above comments are encouraging and helpful at least, even if thought of as a mini-editor review. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 21:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear you have withdrawn your RfA, though it didn't look like it was going to pass as it was below the 70% threshold despite me writing one of my longest support rationales ever. However, do remember that the majority of users supported your request. I would recommend getting more experience in admin areas and then re-applying again, don't pay too much attention to the age related opposes. Camaron · Christopher · talk 21:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was planning on working on content and trying to get at least 1 FA. Then I'll re-enter the administrative areas of the site, and hopefully work out a decent balance between content/admin stuff. I probably won't go up for RfA again for at least a year, probably closer to 2. (I don't know why I've suddenly started to respond to comments here rather than on other people's talk pages, though it does seem more convenient...) Den dodge T\C 21:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever floats your boat, having an FA under your belt is an achievement so I wish you good luck with that. I will look out for another RfA from you whenever you decide to run. And yes, I reply to comments on my own talk page unless users ask otherwise, it is a lot easier! Camaron · Christopher · talk 21:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I will be glad to support your next RfA -- I am a huge fan of intelligent and emotionally mature individuals! Good luck to you! Pastor Theo (talk) 23:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Better luck next time kid. :) The level of enthusiastic support you got was very impressive. Much better than I did, that's for sure! Take care and have fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Best of luck next go-round. - Dank (push to talk) 00:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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green links
Thanks for your constructive comment at the orange link proposal. I have made a more modest proposal here. What do you think? GeometryGirl (talk) 16:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

abbr template
I have hundreds of articles on my watchlist where people have postnominals - this template has never been used on any before. Simply piping the link produces the tooltip in the same way (which is the main benefit I can see), and with much more obvious syntax. In any case the correct expansion of MBE is Member of the Order of the British Empire. David Underdown (talk) 17:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * David, I agree with your basic point that linking MBE is good enough. However, your link to Member of the Order of the British Empire introduces a redirect, as the page is at Order of the British Empire. &mdash; John Cardinal (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Which is not a problem, redirects exist for good reasons, see WP:R2D. Using the redirect expands the abbreviation correctly if someone hovers over the link, and presents easily understandable syntax when editing the page.  David Underdown (talk) 13:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


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Hello, I commented at ANI where you had helpfully started a discussion to gather input. Unfortunately (for me) - my comments were wrapped up in one of those collapse_top/collapse_bottom boxes. It looks like ANI is not the place for the dispute to be handled.

Can you suggest anyone who could calmly handle the manner to coax the participants into talking nicely to each other?

Thanks! 99.150.255.75 (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

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