User talk:Denidowi

Re: Downball
Hi, I removed the 'history of a official competition' as:
 * I could not find any references to the "VICTORIAN VEEBALL ASSOCIATION".
 * I could not find the "establish[ed] formal rules" of said association, and
 * I could not find any references to any of these competitions.

Wikipedia relies on Verifiability and cannot allow Original research as such, until there is a reliable source that discusses the 'Victorian Veeball Association', the article should not include this.

I understand that the nature of an article on a playground game is unlikely to have many sources so I have tried to leave as much information that is non-contentious -- I believe that association is unbelievable.

Thanks,  Monkeyblu e  10:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Monkeyblue,

Thanks for your explanation re Downball removal. I am actually quite new to using this medium and am not even sure how to discuss or where to go to talk on issues of any 'difference'. I am not even sure who has right to remove [officially] edits and add or subtract extra information supplied by others. A game like downball, of course, is generally, quite 'open' and novel. So even if one were to make some observed description of its play on Wikipedia, there would be no "source" to go to to verify anything concerning it. I entered material on 'marbles' quite some time back. But again, these informal activities cannot be described with written source material for verification or back up. At times, people simply need to take a person's word for it. It is not as if the user is going to make money or fame from it; so there would be no ulterior motive for anyone to add to articlesexcept that they were very interested in the topic. The [now defunct] Victorian Veeball Association was also known as the Victorian Downball Association initially, because initially, the wall game was played probably 20 times as much as the ground game. However, all records concerning it, are now lost. Certainly, like most informal games, neither was there any authored book or official "public" record written on it, nor on the association that undertook championships here in Victoria, Australia. The association heralded from 1981 and ran through most of the 80's. There were advertisements of the association's activities running through all types of media here except television at the time. It even got listed for inclusion as an initiative with the Victorian government's "Life. Be In It." programme in 1982 or 83. There were articles also, in various local newspapers, which included photos, and advertisements for the Victorian championships in the Saturday, Herald-Sun newspaper, in December, in 1982. Official results of the main championships were also rung through to national sportslines. The reason I am so aware of these things is because I was on the Presidency which ran the association at the time. I am still in contact with others from that original movement.

Kindly, Denidowi

Editing concerns

 * 1) Please take care to not add "talk" commentary on article space. Also, when adding, please take time to substantiate your statements with citations, particularly in areas that might be deemed as controversial. --Kuk i ni  háblame aquí 22:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:Editing
Well, it looks fine as long as you have enough references to back this up. Personally, you might want this to be a little bit more Neutral. Otherwise, it looks good to spin! :D Cheers. Im per a t § r (Talk) 00:49, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem! If you feel that the novel addresses the issue strongly enough and that that his work his influential and Notable enough, then you can add it to the page about sexism or similar. However, always add your references and adhere to WP:NPOV, lest your work be removed. If need by, you should paraphrase your choice of words. Of course, Wikipedia is not censored, so don't fret about that. Cheers. Im per a t § r (Talk) 22:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Use Talk Pages
Don't make comments on articles, that's what talk pages are for. --cocomonkilla (talk) (contrib) 22:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was referring to your edit on Mormonism. You can click the "discussion" tab and comment there. You can see who posted what by clicking the "history" tab. And you can contact others just fine, you contacted me on my talk page. --cocomonkilla (talk) (contrib) 23:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and by the way, remember to sign comments with four tildes ( ~ ). --cocomonkilla (talk) (contrib) 23:31, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

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Re:Trouble with Another User
I'm going to reply more...but could I first have all the pertinent links? Cheers.  I 'mperator 16:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Also keep in note that all controversial claims must have references, in case that should be an issue. Cheers.  I 'mperator 16:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...unless I'm wrong (which I very possibly might be), there is no mention of you either in the discussion or the user's talk page. A few diffs would be greatly appreciated :) Cheers.  I 'mperator 12:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...personally, I would vie for a merge and redirect as well in this case. Although the information you've added and on the article is fine, the topic itself simply doesn't warrant for a separate article. Don't worry, the information will still be retained. Simply let the community decide. Cheers.  I 'mperator 13:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you have the references and sources to back up the claim that Australians created four-square before the Americans, then it's a perfectly fine idea to merge it the other way round. Have you told the other user about it? Cheers,  I 'mperator 14:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Imperator, I get the feeling that you still have not quite understood the issue. There are two completely different sports we are talking about. Australian handball is not the four square game at all. It is very much like Gaelic and American Handball - played much like squash, but without racquets. Each country has its own separate associate and a very long history - the Australian since 1847. They are registered games within their own countries. The problem is that the User won't allow that a separate Australian Handball article be placed: he has put Australia inside the American Handball article - just 'out of order' altogether. The official Australian game was developed before the Americans developed their game, just by the way. The four square game has little written on it. It is unknown whether it started in the States or Australia first; but by the amount of formal organization developing on it in parts of the US, and the fact that nothing in such manner has yet developed here, in OZ, it is probably right that the Americans retain control over that article. As there is no Affiliate, or association, and little the User could find written on it here, we have now all agreed that there should not be a separate article for four square in Australia. But with the handball games, there are already precedents set by the other sports that where an affiliate exists within a country, it deserves its own article. For some reason, this other User doesn't seem to want it for Austalian handball.(Denidowi (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

Not really... :P Cheers.  I 'mperator 23:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

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