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Harry Potter misconception
I really found very little in the sources to indicate that it is a common misconception. And where is it mentioned as a common misconception in a parent article rather than a misconception among literary critics? Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 17:11, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Harry Potter. In the social impacts section. The linked NYT article directly quotes the head of the NEA that it's a misconception. They cited a study precisely on the question of HP and literacy. The book Literary Criticism and Harry Potter has corroborates it as well. Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:51, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "NEA chairman Dana Gioia said the series, 'got millions of kids to read a long and reasonably complex series of books. The trouble is that one Harry Potter novel every few years is not enough to reverse the decline in reading'.": That is a matter of opinion as to whether it is a common misconception, an opinion with which I disagree. So we need a consensus to keep the item. Sundayclose (talk) 18:04, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You just quoted a snippet from Harry Potter but not the New York Times article. I think you should read the source.For exampele the headline is "Harry Potter has limited effect on reading habits" and the first sentence is "Of all the magical powers wielded by Harry Potter, perhaps none has cast a stronger spell than his supposed ability to transform the reading habits of young people." See the supposed ability to transform the reading habits is the misconception. it says this is a "near mythology". The decline in reading is not opinion, it comes from the National Assessment of Educational Progress. I'll review this in detail over at Talk:List of common misconceptions. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:55, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

July 2015
Hello, I'm Sundayclose. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Talk:List of common misconceptions‎ that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 00:06, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, so you've gone and posted a template which asserts that my comment wasn't civil "so it has been removed". But in fact, nothing has been removed. We can chalk up one more erroneous assertion on your part. We're kind of getting used to those boners, aren't we? ;)So I could just ignore this bullshit template but it creates kind of a problem for me, because you've not deleted any of my posts at Talk:List of common misconceptions‎, I have no idea which of my posts is a "personal attack" [sic]. This forces me to do a quick review, to try to nail down where exactly I've run afoul of the civility policy (assuming you have not yet again simply posted something patently absurd, which as we know is a distinct possibility).I told you that you wasted everyone's time with this pointless collection of false assertions. Do you think telling you that you wasted everyone's time was a personal attack? Not so. But if you would like to go crying to an Admin saying you feel sad because you've been informed that you're a time waster, then by all means, go ahead and waste their time. You seem to enjoy it.Then you accused me of violating WP:OWN on the basis that I'm the editor who added the misconception material to both Harry Potter and List of common misconceptions. I pointed out that this accusation is, yet again, another false assertion on your part. I'm perfectly within my rights to cite facts on the talk page in support of an entry, regardless of the fact that I'm the one who added it in the past. WP:BURDEN basically sais it's my job to do that when contentious material is challenged. You accused me of baiting you and seeking an argument, yet you were teh one who deleted well-sourced material, and you were the one who posted false assertions on the talk page. I refuted them and you attacked me for "baiting" you and "seeking arguments". That's a catch 22: make a false claim, and accuse anybody of refuting it of being argumentative. Then you had the nerve to belittle me even more, saying "Calm down Dennis; you'll live longer. This is Wikipedia, not the real world."Calm down? Mansplain much? I finally pointed out that your behavior is trolling, the classical definition of a troll: one who posts absurd claims for the purpose of drawing a reaction and creating pointless arguments. You made one demonstrably false claim after another, and when I refuted them, you belittled me. Your behavior is disruptive editing and obvious trolling.Please stop. If you continue this behavior you may be blocked form editing. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Miguel Galluzo
I thought it would be preferable to a dead link to quote the 530 word bio directly in the citation. Otherwise, the reader has nothing to go by. But hey, a dead link appears to be the preferable solution. 842U (talk) 19:08, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Why do you keep posting this discussion all over the place? It started on your talk page and it should stay there. Brian has asked you twice already. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Ducati Monster
If you are so interested in the Ducati Monster article, please feel free to edit it yourself. In case someone else is interested, I've linked to the last archived Miguel Galluzi edit that included the overloaded Monster information. Rest assured, it is not lost. Peace. 842U (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Still missing the point. From now until whenever I'm able to get to it, there's missing information from Ducati Monster. Before the information was around in Miguel Angel Galluzzi. Now nobody can find it, on either article. That's harm. Having excess detail on Galluzzi's bio was less than ideal, but it was causing no harm. Plus all the grammar errors and missing context from the hack job that was done to the Galluzzi bio that somebody has to fix now. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:09, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * In case you haven't noticed, I'm not editing the Ducati Monster article. You are crediting me with damaging another article than the one I'm editing.  Good Grief.  Rest assured, the Galluzzi article is far from harmed by the edits I've made &mdash; which include providing links on both the Galluzzi and Monster talk pages to the archived Galluzzi article containing the Monster data. I suggest you improve the Monster page.  When you're ready to edit the Monster article, you'll know where to find the info!  Peace.842U (talk) 14:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Wenatchee Revert
Thank you for reverting the Wenatchee, WA page earlier today. I know it's inappropriate and in bad taste, but I was joking around with a friend when I made those edits. I had intended to go back and revert the page, but didn't get to it in time. I'm grateful for your patience and help. Apologies for any inconvenience. DILNN1 (talk) 07:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC) DILNN1 (talk) 07:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Yamaha FZR250
Hi, I searched fairly thoroughly for WP:RS and I don't think there's anything out there. So I moved ahead with WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT. Let me know if you disagree, and I will go the long road via WP:AFD. FeatherPluma (talk) 06:04, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
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Motorcycle
Hi, I am not sure if you are familiar with the consensus guideline for lead sections set out in the Wikipedia Manual of Style, at MOS:LEADALT. It says that when there are three or more alternate terms for the title, it is recommended that these terms be moved to a new section entitled "Terminology." I look forward to hearing from you, best regards, OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 23:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please don't start threads in two different places on the same subject. Confusing! --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:48, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Remove alerts from Casey Family Programs?
With the most recent edits to improve the Casey Family Programs content, both by myself and others, and with the resolution of the sockpuppetry accusation, can we now remove the alerts from this page? I believe they are no longer valid:


 * COI (2015): I have been transparent about my relationship to Casey Family Programs from the outset - working as a short-term contract employee. I was not hired specifically to update Wikipedia, nor is my compensation dependent on Wikipedia updates. It's simply a task I was asked to perform. I recognize the inherent conflict of interest, and I have made a good-faith effort to provide unbiased but much-needed updates to the entry.
 * advert (2015): I have attempted to remove any "advertorial" content from the page and to maintain a tone of neutrality throughout. I've removed "peacock" language both from earlier submitted drafts and from content submitted by other users. If there are further improvements required, please let me know or submit edits.

Respectfully, Worldraveler (talk) 18:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Casey Family Programs. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Bubba Blackwell
Dennis, Bubba Blackwell clarified he only retired from jumping. Since Blackwell clarified this via facebook and the sources didn't reflect the difference between 'stunt show' and 'jumping', I'll defer to you on how to best keep his page accurate (those last edits were from me...I forgot to login). Maybe even revert back before I added the Retirement? I suppose he wouldn't be the first motorcycle jumper to say that he retired and then went on to jump again! Take care,Docob5 (talk) 22:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

 * Thanks! --Dennis Bratland (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Extended rights
Hi there Dennis. I just have an honest question for you, mostly out of curiosity. Is there any particular reason why, in your extensive time and efforts here, you have never acquired any additional user rights? Surely you're familiar with most of them by now, right? And if you don't object to them for a personal reason, would you be interested in any (e.g. pending changes reviewer, autopatrolled, rollbacker)? Surely the project could only benefit from extending the abilities of your account. S warm  ♠  07:58, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Rollbacker? Autoreviewer? I don't get the point. I can already revert several edits in a row with Twinkle. What do I care if I have to wait for somebody else to review a page I created? Maybe the reviewer will even help make corrections. That's a good thing and why would I want to mess that up? I don't see any rights that would help me achieve my actual goal, which is to create article content. And the downside would be time wasted getting the approval of Wikipedia royalty, who are enough of a pain in the ass to deal with when you submit a DYK or GA nomination. What I really need is a user right that grants me peace and quiet to focus on finishing what all the articles I have waiting to be written, but I think that's beyond anyone's power. If there is some user right that would make me more productive, then I'm just ignorant of it.I did request press credentials so I could have better access for taking photos for Wikimedia, but that not going anywhere... --Dennis Bratland (talk) 14:35, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Vietnam Vets MC Northeast listed as Outlaw Motorcycle Club
This club should be listed here as there are many documents online that point out that they are included in that category. Not to be confused with the Vietnam Vets MC USA which is not an outlaw motorcycle club and does not wear 1% diamond.

There are numerous articles and documents from newspapers and government organizations that list them as such. As you find the articles, please feel free to add them to the list of references. I did notice that some of the clubs listed do not have any references confirming there status as outlaw mc's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.99.255.9 (talk) 16:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see Talk:List of outlaw motorcycle clubs. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Badge of honor/badge of shame
Feel free to delete this comment if you don't give a rip, which I suspect may be the case. I'll just say 50 occurrences of vandalism conservatively; the word "revert" occurs between 50 and 75 times in the summaries on your talkpage. You can get your talkpage semiprotected, like I did mine, if you find it annoying. — Brianhe (talk) 23:37, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You know, many of our most incorrigible sockpuppteers give themselves away with their trademark talk page taunts. I wouldn't want to lose that! Only 50 times seems like so little; I guess I'm just that likable...Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Fastest cars
You bet me by about 2 seconds reverting the edit - have a nice day NealeFamily (talk) 22:52, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Casey Family Programs
Hi, Dennis - I haven't heard back from you since I responded to your most recent comments. I believe the page is written in a neutral tone, provides factual information, and provides adequate external references. Can you pull your alerts?

Just to clarify about Casey Family Programs, as an organization that neither seeks donations nor provides grants, they don't seek a lot of publicity and therefore there really aren't a lot of news references available. For this same reason, their goal for the Wikipedia is simply accuracy, not somehow trying to push an agenda.

Thanks, Worldraveler (talk) 21:46, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We should redirect the page to the Casey Foundation since it lacks enough coverage in independent sources to meet WP:ORG.Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:15, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please specify which page you think it should redirect to. If you mean the Annie E. Casey Foundation, that would be a mistake. Those two organizations are not affiliated. In addition, I think your assertion that Casey Family Programs lacks enough coverage in independent sources is unfounded. I'm pasting a list of news references from the last year into the Casey Family Programs talk page. These should demonstrate the depth and breadth of Casey's work and influence. Unfortunately, none of them speak directly to the specific points made in a description of the organization. If you have advice on how to incorporate these references into a post about the organization, that would be most welcome. Worldraveler (talk) 00:42, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You're the one who keeps telling me that you don't have independent sources to base the article on, only sources published by the article subject. Ergo, the subject fails WP:ORG. If enough independent sources exist to justify an article, then why aren't you citing them instead of press releases?The fact that they are related is enough reason to put the Casey Family Programs under Annie E. Casey Foundation. The article George Lucas has a paragraph about Pixar and Lucasfilm even though he no longer owns them. You need to understand that Wikipedia is not the Casey Family Program's website; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that exists to inform readers, not to participate in the article subject's branding strategies. Their need to create a break with the past is not Wikipedia's problem, any more than Disney's need to assert that Pixar and Lucasfilm are now part of their corporate brand.At any rate, you can express your opinion, along with other editors, over at Talk:Annie E. Casey Foundation. Remember to state your Conflict of interest up front; not disclosing your relationship with the subject can lead to you being blocked from editing.Suggested reading: Merging, Arguments to avoid on discussion pages and other Arguments to avoid, and also Arguments to make in deletion discussions. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:03, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Question
Hello Dennis,

I think the VW device scandal deserves an own article, like it was handled with the GM recall, see: Investigation. TemptationLTZ (talk) 13:22, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * a spinoff article is generally acceptable if there is enough material and sources for the article, and it retains NPOV. — Brianhe (talk) 13:31, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, it probably will get its own article, and I'm sure somebody will make one today or tomorrow. I think it's better to wait a little while and let the sources accumulate, but there will always be someone who makes a new article the earliest they can.I think a better use of time right now would be to sort out the problems with oxides of nitrogen, NOx, NO, NO2 and N2O, as explained at Talk:NOx. There are a large number of articles that need to have their links corrected, and they need clear explanations about what we're talking about when we say vehicle nitrogen oxides pollution, and what that pollution does that's so bad. We have some accurate articles and some that are sloppy. And we need to figure out which article all these automotive pollution articles should point to . A dab page is very unhelpful to anyone trying to find out kind of pollution these VW diesels are emitting. And do TDI cars increase or decrease global warming? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:55, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Careful, every vehicle-mile powered by fossil fuels increases atmo CO2 regardless of technology, and that includes (most) advanced diesel and (most) electric alike. Even if you bicycle to work but consume food transported by truck, you could arguably be part of the fossil fuel consumption cycle. — Brianhe (talk) 16:30, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I want all of this stuff to be more careful written. I'm talking about the destruction of methane molecules by NOx, countering warming. But that should should be overbalanced by the CO2 that comes along with the NOx. The main problem -- I think -- is that NOx is a family of 7 compounds, only two of which are regulated by the EPA. None of the 7, or the two that are regulated, are N20, Nitrous oxide, but some articles here and some sloppy sources include N20 along with NO and NO2 when they define NOx, which is the problem in the case of VW. N2O is a greenhouse gas that does cause warming.I'm trying to rally editors to go through all of these article that mention vehicle nitrogen pollution and correct any more of these errors, and explicitly clarify what is what. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, is is much more complex than a CO2 emissions issue isn't it? Unfortunately for me, my chemistry education stopped in high school (not counting eng school materials science). I wonder if UW atmospheric photochemistry folks   could lend some understanding? Brianhe (talk) 18:17, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Me too -- I'm a bit over my head so I need others to work on this with me. But I figure the general public needs an explanation of this that is as least simple enough for the likes of me to understand, and this VW story is going to drive readers to Wikipedia looking for answers. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for agreeing, however, I stumbled over this "spin-off" article: Volkswagen common-rail TDI engine emissions scandal. It would be nice if one could make a direct link to that aforementioned article to the main page. I also would appreciate a much more shortened recap on the main page and leaving all relevant technical details to that other page. What you think? Thanks in advance TemptationLTZ (talk) 21:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, someone already linked it TemptationLTZ (talk) 21:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--John (talk) 22:28, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there Dennis. I noticed this and I think you need to be careful about following our policy on WP:NPOV. You are quite right to point out that Volkswagen is not a living person, but our style is to refrain from issuing verdicts that may affect living people until a court has made a determination. As I have edited the article I will not be the one to block you if you continue with this, but it is likely that you will be blocked if you choose to do so. It's entirely up to you what you do now, but I would hate to see a good editor blocked so I advise you to proceed with caution here. --John (talk) 22:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I have asked you to stay off my talk page.
Please refrain from posting fraudulent "warnings" on my talk page. I have asked you once and yet you persist. Your opinion is at odds with the reality and I see your contributions as uncivil and disruptive. If you wish to discuss an article, please do so on the article talk page. If you have issues with my conduct, please go through the usual channels. Thank you. --Pete (talk) 01:00, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Request for clarification
Looking at this edit, you use the words "Your mother should have taught you not to be a sockpuppeting, stalking, harassing, edit warring m*********." Could you tell me, here on this private page rather than on an article talk page, what was passing through your mind when you wrote "m*********"?

If it's what I think it is, perhaps you'd like to apologise for the grossly uncivil remark? I've suggested before that you might like to slow down and think before posting something, and I'd like you to try doing that. Please. --Pete (talk) 19:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * What? Aren't you supposed to ask permission or something to post on my talk page? How dare you. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 13
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