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Category:Transformers automobiles has been nominated for discussion
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Need clarification at your 'lift IBAN' request.
Howdy. Would you make a list of the socks you mentioned at AN & who is or was caught or suspected of owning those socks? GoodDay (talk) 00:58, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You mean other than the accounts listed at each of the sockpuppet investigation pages? I'm not sure what else there is besides those. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * List'em all if you can. GoodDay (talk) 01:32, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I really can’t. Look: Sockpuppet investigations/HughD/Archive. I should copy paste those hundreds of accounts somewhere? I feel like I’m missing something. Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:47, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That's alright. I was curious about one of the commentators at AN, who's yet to respond to a question I asked. Anyways, no worries. GoodDay (talk) 01:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I‘ve alluded to a non-stale socking problem that has yet to be investigated. I mentioned some of the reasons but not all the diffs with the various behavioral evidence. I can’t really do that with the iban. Which is part of why I stopped procrastinating on requesting lifting the ban. Dennis Bratland (talk) 02:08, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok. GoodDay (talk) 02:47, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Triumph Motorcycles
Hello Dennis. You have just deleted several of my posts dating from last week back to May 2019 (over six months ago) about Triumph Motorcycles Ltd, giving reasons that they are 'blatant advertising' and 'copy and pasted from the website'. However my posts were original and not promotional in the slightest; they were objective, neutral, informative and of great relevance to anyone with an interest in Triumph motorcycles, and for that reason I would appreciate you reconsidering your recent actions by undoing the edits and deletions you've made. Thank you. Markthebikefan (talk) 10:24, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss this is at Talk:Triumph Motorcycles Ltd. Other editors there need to discuss this with you, not only me. Dennis Bratland (talk) 13:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay. In the meantime I've removed the warning statements at the top. Markthebikefan (talk) 08:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * But you haven’t discussed anything...? -Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:16, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

December 2019
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Links
I fixed a link wether you agree with the fix or not.100.11.77.202 (talk) 21:20, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't put external links in the body of articles, and we don't add external links to the bottom of articles unless it is a unique resource directly related to the article topic. See WP:ELNO. Eastman Industries is just a redlink in the article Roadster (bicycle). You could add a reference  with a citation that verifies that Eastman Industries is a significant roadster bicycle manufacturer. Links to companies are generally just spam; we really need citations of independent third party reliable sources. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

2020 Cascadia events especially around photography
Dennis, I'm helping to schedule and push out info on 2020 Wikipedia related events in Cascadia. Just polling you to see if you are aware of any e.g. the Chittenden Locks tour you did some time ago? ☆ Bri (talk) 02:49, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about this and at the moment I can't come up with anything good. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

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I made a WT Social userbox:

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New LTA page
I was incubating this for more evidence but another used it to WP space, so might as well point it out to you. Cheers and stay well ☆ Bri (talk) 19:59, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Long-term abuse/Motorsports and Japan LTA
 * Cool! I'm somewhat inactive at the moment but I'll add some notes to it. I mean to respond to that new page patroller invite above too, when I get a chance. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

April 2020
This is your only warning; if you purposefully and blatantly harass fellow Wikipedian(s) again, as you did at User talk:Carmaker1, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Carmaker1 (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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Mail
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April 2020
This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on others again, as you did at User talk:Carmaker1, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Carmaker1 (talk) 23:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Stop posting accusations against me on your talk page and then claiming I have no right to reply. Take it to WP:ANI and state your case in a forum where I am allowed to respond.Alternatively, you could simply focus on content. Stop talking about who you are, stop talking about who other editors are. Stop telling us about your motives, stop claiming to know the motives of others. Post only about article content and sources, and post nothing about other people. If you simply followed that basic rule, all your problems would evaporate. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Carmaker1 (talk) 00:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Dennis you actually have multiple forums to respond to what Carmaker has written. You can do so at ANI. You can do so at ArbCom. You can do so at El C's talk page. In fact you did this last one. You do not have some inherent right to do so on Carmaker's user talk page. Stop edit warring over it. By policy you are already past 3RR and could be blocked. As a formal warning I advise you to immediately cut it out. You are of course welcome to respond to the ANI thread or at ArbCom. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * All true except the part about me having to stay off their page if they’re going to use their page to disparage me. If they use that page to attack me they forfeit the privilege of exclusive access. I don’t have to wait for a noticeboard to act while attacks on me are left posted there with no right for me to reply. This is spelled out in WP:POLEMIC and the user page guidelines. One’s user pages are not a safe perch from which to attack others with impunity. —Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You're correct you don't have to wait if there's a problem. You can open an ANI thread - explaining that you were unable to talk to them because you have been asked not to post on the talk page. You can post to the open ArbCom Case Request as an example why, in your eyes, the case should be accepted. I understand why Carmaker's post upset you but it is not a polemic. And to the extent that it was, ANI or ArbCom or El C's talk page can absolutely help get someone who isn't you involved to deal with Carmaker. Your edit warring about it was not helpful especailly because, in my eyes, we were not at a situation described at WP:POLEMIC. There was a version of that post which would have been but that, in my view, wasn't it, it was a user seeking help from an experienced and skilled sysop. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. I mean it about ANI. To the extent you see Carmaker continuing to edit about users rather than content say so in the ANI thread. Some, including some arbs, have commented that the community hasn't had an adequate chance to deal with Carmaker. Well here is a chance for you to make your case. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My sympathies are 90% with you in this dispute, so please trust me on this. You're misinterpreting POLEMIC, which provides the remedy of removal of inappropriate content, not a right of reply from someone impugned. Even if he says mean things about you, you need to stay off his page if he's asked. There are other editors who will rein him in, even if not right away. Everyone knows there's bad blood here (and as mentioned, that's not to say there's equal blame on both sides) and sees what's going on. EEng 02:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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Atlas Obscura
Photos from our visit to Haleets were selected by Atlas Obscura. Edited to add: missed it in your photo index, already there. Anyway, pleasing to see them. I added a bunch to my own index lately. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw that but I had trouble verifying they published it. Dennis Bratland (talk) 14:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There's a book preview of the 2nd edition (October 2019) on Amazon and Google Books; Haleets is in the index but the page isn't in the preview (sad). When things open up again maybe one of us can check a hardcopy. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:04, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's the one I saw. The Ballard Branch has the second edition and I couldn't find the photo in there. I'm not what the index is referring to, toher than a passing mention of Haleets on a different topic. It's not in the Washington State section of the book. Unless I didn't look hard enough, which happens. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, the index links the same page to Parowan Gap petroglyphs (Utah), Leo Petroglyph (Ohio), Map Rock (Idaho), in addition to Haleets. Maybe the page has a collection of petroglyphs. I guess we'll see. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

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Numbers
Nice work on streamlining the lede on 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riot, but I'll note that Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers, specifically MOS:NUMNOTES, states, "comparable values should be all spelled out or all in figures, even if one of the numbers would normally be written differently". So you changed the correct
 * "At least 140 people were reported as injured during the incident, 1 critically; at least 4 people were stabbed, 9 police officers were injured, and 101 people were arrested that night."

to the incorrect
 * "At least 140 people were injured during the incident, including one critically. At least four people were stabbed, nine police officers were injured, and 101 people were arrested".

I changed it back. I recognize that this looks odd to people familiar with other manuals of style. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:55, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see. Thanks! --Dennis Bratland (talk) 07:41, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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Sleeping Giants Loaded terms.
Statement formerly here was stupid and has been removed by its author. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 04:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Restore talk page of deleted article?
You moved Erica C. Barnett to the draft namespace in 2019 but I can't find what happened to the old talk page. Is it possible to merge the old talk page back into the new Talk:Erica C. Barnett? also moved it -- from Draft:Erica C. Barnett. to Draft:Erica C. Barnett due to an extraneous period. Not sure who could resurrect the page but it would save a lot of time if the past discussions were available if not on talk then in the talk archive. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , oh good grief, that festering dreck is back again? Guy (help!) 21:58, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keeping talk archives around helps us avoid having repeat the same festering dreck once a consensus has been reached. Wipe it from memory and we have to re-fight the exact same battles. I don't relish going over the same ground again either. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:03, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The talkpage was deleted last month by User:Fastily: . SilkTork (talk) 08:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I went to their talk page and followed the directions over to Requests_for_undeletion. Thanks! --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I've undeleted per your formal request: Draft talk:Erica C. Barnett. SilkTork (talk) 17:30, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * And now fully restored: Talk:Erica C. Barnett. Any problems, please let me know. SilkTork (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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Can you put Michel von Tell on your watchlist? I think we have potentially some pseudo LDR promotion going on. ☆ Bri (talk) 04:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

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My apologies for the Lindsay Ellis edits
While I didn't care for your attitude towards me ("No one cares about your feelings"), I did have it coming and I guess I should grow up and not get too offended by it. I was wrong for trying to change somethinh due to opinions but it really came out of me wanting the place to be more positive. I'm a huge fan of her and I do know what she's experienced. It was still wrong of me to do and I'm sorry. Can you ever forgive me? --HenryBarnill 11:38 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have the same exchange with editor after editor after editor: please stop telling me what you think and show me your sources. Please stop telling me something is disputed or controversial or questionable if you can't cite one single source that disputes it or says it's controversial or says it's questionable. We can have an intelligent conversation about whether source X is more reliable than source Y, or whether a fact is or isn't in a given source. But when nobody cites anything, all we're doing is staring up at clouds and debating whether or not we agree one of the clouds looks like a bunny.<P>So whether I like you or not or whether I forgive you or not, one thing I can say is that if we can stick to sources and leave everything else out of it, we can get along. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * What do you want from me? I just said I'm sorry. I was wrong to post feelings and opinions without sources. I was wrong. A bad decision I hope to never make again. You keep getting too personal about this when I want to end on better terms. -- HenryBarnill — Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryBarnill (talk • contribs) 20:39, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I. Want. You. To. Cite. Sources.<P>If you're not going to state facts and cite the sources for those facts, then don't post anything. Don't add content to an article without sources. Don't delete content from articles without reading the sources. That's what I want. Talk to me about what's in the sources, or don't talk to me. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:46, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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FLAGICON and motorsport
Hello. I see that you have made good faith removals of numerous flagicon entries for international motorsports competitors. Please know that this is against consensus for these people. The situation is different from many other sports as, because you have stated elsewhere, there are no formal national 'teams'. However, the tradition of the sport and the international regulations defined by the governing body codify and control the competitor's 'nationality' with respect to their international sporting career. In this aspect, the guides have always been incorrect, mostly because they are dominated by kevball dingbats who know jack about motorsport history, tradition and modern practice. The drivers most certainly do represent their respective nations, and this is demonstrated abundantly within the sport. Cheers. Pyrop e  17:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Although I generally do not surveil Dennis' activities, I have been affected by this (firstly in 2014) particularly with new users and far-east IPs swamping motorcycle racing. The rationale is quite clear: there is no nationalism, except in the fanzones where they promote the riders. Again quite clear is that the flags should be accompanied by text, as few are knowledgeable-enough to recognise at a glance (meshelf less that 10). I recently traced the alleged-'local consensus', where F1 articles were decided to be exempt from the normal, at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons/Archive 14 where Pyrope contributed. I didn't wade through all of it, but the complaints were that there was historic nationalism involving team colours (eg., British Racing Green) and possibly some other argument over licensing countries (see Bo Bendsneyder where the IP wanted him as Indonesian, and Can Öncü who was allegedly born in Norway, not Turkey as asserted on-Wiki). Another gripe was that few (too few) editors made the decision to deprecate flags. Seems to me that a new RfC is needed.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, every international sport decorates players names with flags. If that was all it took to justify sticking flags everywhere, MOS:SPORTFLAG wouldn't exist in the first place. That some people feel nationalistic (or state, province, city, college, etc) pride about racing or competitive dog walking or bridge is doesn't make competitors into members of national teams. Getting an exception for drivers pushed through has a snowball's chance in hell. But apparently we have to go through this bureaucratic exercise to prove it.<P>I'd ask Pyrop to carefully read MOS:FLAG and accept what the words say: the Olympics and World Cup are competitions between national teams. Any other random sport, no. You might wish it said something else, but it doesn't, so please just take the flags off. Otherwise, I guess a big RfC is needed where two dozen editors will all say to follow the MOS as written. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 19:21, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

June 2021
Hello, I'm 0mtwb9gd5wx. I noticed that you are making confused changes to content in an article, Honda Super Cub, but you didn't provide a any valid reason. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.

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 * Please join the discussion at Talk:Honda Super Cub. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Flickology
I'd thought the context - the op-ed writer's dislike of the Flick analogy - made the use more authoritative. In the grand scheme of things it's not great to have discussion of the analogy be so Clinton-centric, but it's also likely that sources on other uses won't come up all that often. Suffice it to say that this edit would be a very roundabout way to defame Stefanik, so maybe best to hold off on ascribing motive?Camperdownian (talk) 03:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't follow what you're saying. But if you think other editors could form a consensus, you should explain what you are proposing at Talk:Tracy Flick and see if there is support for it. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Seattle map revisions
Hello, I have noticed you have reverted my edits. I understand your reasons, but I have to tell you why those images are irrelevant. First, they are very poor. A simple dot on a map, and only 3 options. Second, the title gets in the way of important information, such as surrounding areas. You can even get at a glance views of the interactive map, but those take up space. We're in the 21st century, and these already exist by default in map infoboxes. Many other cities only have these, Atlanta, Boston, Portland OR and ME, Providence, Columbus, Denver, Salt Lake City, New York, Los Angeles, etc. SkunkaMunka (talk) 20:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I forgot to mention. The city is outlined, just zoom in on the map, you’ll see it. Also, relief maps are irrelevant. These are only good for natural areas. I am working with other proponents of the mapframe project to have a relief switch implemented. But for now, interactive maps are far better than pushpins. SkunkaMunka (talk) 20:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Why are you having this discussion here instead of at Talk:Seattle? There are hundreds of editors watching that page. Even if you can’t change my mind, if you convinced most of them, then my opinion wouldn’t matter. Please go to the article talk page and address everyone interested in the Seattle article. —Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Mapframe for Seattle
Can someone please go about an interactive map on the Seattle article? I would really love this to be implemented. SkunkaMunka (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 45
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Category:Fictional sunken cities has been nominated for merging
Category:Fictional sunken cities has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:10, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Mass Deletions of Military Infoboxes
Hello, Dennis Bratland. I wanted to thank you for addressing the issue of the mass deletion of military infoboxes directly to User:Binksternet on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography. Binksternet unduly deleted 112 military infoboxes within one hour-- and he only targeted articles whose infoboxes that I personally edited (no doubt by searching through my user contribution history). Several of the articles already had a military infobox, I merely added more information or a citation to several of them. But apparently even if it was sourced properly, it didn't matter. And he didn't even delete all the military infoboxes that I added or edited. Several of them still remain, and I can attest the ones he left untouched are not those of public figures who are specifically known for their military service-- so it would appear the 100+ infoboxes Binksternet deleted were done so indiscriminately. He hasn't yet deleted military infoboxes in other articles that I did not edit-- which to me, comes off more as a content dispute or vandalism directed towards my edits personally rather than an effort to adhere to proper editing form.

There seems to be no guiding principle or consistent logic to this mass deletion. I mean, is the 8 weeks that speaker of the House John Boehner spent in enlisted Navy boot camp in 1968 before he was medically discharged for a bad back really that notable enough for Wikipedia that it should remain in his infobox? But yet, the more than 50 bombing missions that acclaimed filmmaker Robert Altman flew as an Army Air Force officer and co-pilot of a B-24 Liberator in the Pacific Theater of World War II is not notable enough for his infobox? Where's the logic in that? Or, is senator Mitch McConnell famous specifically for the 37 days he spent in the Army Reserve before his discharge and thus should remain in his infobox? And I'm not even trying to discount Boehner or McConnell's brief service periods, just that Binksternet's reasoning for the mass deletion is simply ridiculous and unfounded.

I see that you're an Air Force veteran. I was also in the service, having served overseas in the Navy during the early and middle phases of the Iraq War, which explains my strong interest in the military records of many, many notable people. Who's to judge which person's military service is more notable than another's? If a notable person devoted their time to the service, then I believe it should be noted in their infobox regardless of the length of their service period and regardless whether or not that person is specifically notable for their service-- and I'm certain most other editors (and biographers) feel this way as well. I have an itching to do a mass revert of those deletions, but then I may then be accused of instigating an editing war or possibly risk an edit ban on Wikipedia-- which I surely don't want to risk. This is what irritates me the most about Wikipedia-- the hubris of many of the senior editors that all seem to think that they own every article on the site, and if they simply don't "like" a particular edit (despite it being appropriately sourced), then poof! It's gone. Hours, days, weeks of my own hard work and research flushed down the toilet. It just makes me not want to contribute anymore if it's all gonna be for nothing, anyway. But I ranted long enough and again, thank you for taking the time to address the issue. It's greatly appreciated. —Ldavid1985 (talk) 08:07, 7 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Articles like John Boehner can't really tell us much because nobody is claiming it's a model to emulate. If you want to judge what Wikipedia's standards are, it's best to focus on policy and guidelines, and to look at the example of Featured articles. We can at least say that somebody believes it's high quality if it's a FA. Looking at FAs like Charles Inglis (engineer), Gough Whitlam, Thomas White (Australian politician), or J. R. R. Tolkien, we can confirm what MOS:INFOBOX says: it varies case by case. Sometimes military service is prominent, with icons and flags, sometimes it's not included, sometimes something in between. It's mostly determined by the NPOV policy, especially WP:PROPORTION and that is based on sources. Pretty much everything on Wikipedia comes down to sources. Stay focused on sources, be willing to bend to whatever good sources say and do, and you'll have a sound basis for any changes on Wikipedia articles. What you don't want is to get caught up in a pissing contest between to factions neither of which has bothered to check the sources. That's my advice. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents
In December 2017 you brought Carmaker1 to the ANI board. The community is now considering an Indef block or Topic Ban proposals, if you'd like to weigh in now is your chance. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:04, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , not saying it's your intent, but this looks perilously like WP:CANVASSing. <b style="color:red;">E</b><b style="color:blue;">Eng</b> 23:14, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Not per se, I'm going over older carmaker1 posts since the ARBCOM case was denied and notifying original posters and admins who've interacted with him. It would be unfair if only a selected part from this current dispute were involved in the discussion, we need people who can look at all aspects of this for clearer course of action. Whether people participate or not is their business, but I want to make sure they at least know its being considered. Unlike ARBCOM, ANI has no specific infobox to mention cases or whose involved, and I'm only mentioning that its being considered, not that 'your participation is urgently needed' or that 'this is our chance to get rid of him' or 'silence his opposition' or so forth. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I would refer the ANI admins to my opinions from the last time Carmaker1 was at ANI, and the time before that. I predicted nothing would change and we would be back in the same place again, and here we are, doing it again. My position hasn't changed. It's only a question of whether the ANI admins will repeat what they did in the previous cases, or try something new. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:11, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * But to be honest, any time no action is taken at ANI it's like taking candy from a baby to put your money on "we'll be back here again". <b style="color:red;">E</b><b style="color:blue;">Eng</b> 02:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

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American Motorcyclist Association
A situation has arisen whereby a new SPA is deleting text added by yourself. I have left guidance in the edit summary but has again deleted; if you have the time could you swing by Talk:American Motorcyclist Association, as the refs and content being challenged will mean much more to you. Thanks.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

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