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Again, welcome! JFW &#124; T@lk  20:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Diabetes mellitus
I have temporarily removed your addition to diabetes mellitus, because of the following problems. Firstly, it read like it was written for health professions (do oral cultures in diabetics etc), and secondly it was not based on a high-quality secondary source that we expect in medical articles, particularly those with the profile of this article. WP:MEDRS is a vital sources guideline that can assist in the identification of such sources. Please let me know if you need any assistance. JFW &#124; T@lk  20:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome. As above http://www.nycdentist.com is not really an appropriate ref. Thanks.. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 23:26, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Doc James I appreciate your evaluation but I do think it is important for people with diabetes, and physicians who treat them, to consider the oral cavity as a point of focal infection that could greatly exacerbate diabetes. I really think it is an important contribution to the page because periodontal disease is among the most common of all diseases.

In medicine and dentistry there is already no question that there is a positive correlation between diabetes and periodontal disease. But how many physicians are recommending that their patients visit a dentist or periodontist? My intention was to go beyond what is commonly accepted and to teach via my photographs the steps needed to perform this simple non-invasive test. I believe it is potentially life-saving.

Please reconsider and let me work with you on the paragraph. Too many physicians ignore the systemic effects of the oral cavity to the serious detriment of their patients.

Thanks, DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 02:44, 15 January 2012 (UTC)DentalSchoolProfessor
 * The issue is not so much the content but the reference that is being used. Please see WP:MEDRS. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 06:59, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Doc James, Thanks for the tip. I referenced WP:MEDRS and will edit and resubmit. My intention is to follow your suggestion and get it right. DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 13:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Great and welcome. We have a fair bit of dental content that needs improvement. If you have any further questions feel free to drop me a note. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Doc James, I am ready to submit the edits of my prior submission. How is that best accomplished? I think it best for me to submit my edits to you for your approval before returning to the live Diabetes section. I have used letters in brackets, e.g. [a], in the following footnotes, because I don't know their live footnote numbering without putting this text into the live site. Is this ok?? Thanks, JeffDentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 16:55, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Text in question
DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 19:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This is a primary source.
 * And this is not a review article http://www.nycdentist.com/dental-photos/1937/Diabetes-and-Periodontal-Disease-Gum-Disease-Gingivitis and it will not pass muster by other around here
 * Also see if you can properly format the refs in question with the cite tool I mentioned. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 21:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

A primary reference is a good thing, isn't it?? I removed the reference to my site that shows how to perform a culture. --DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC) I clicked on the Cite above and a drop-down box appeared showing Templates, Named Reference and Error Check. I did the error check but the Templates drop-down didn't do anything. Help didn't help....
 * One Wikipedia which is different from academia we typically use review articles or other secondary sources. This is different than a peer reviewed article or a primary source. The reason is that we are trying to summarize the major scientific opinion around a topic and these are better represented by reviews. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 11:44, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I now understand about the desire to focus references on secondary review articles. I changed it using the PMID for the first time; it seemed to work!! Hopefully you will now find it ok to publish; I have lots of other writing to do. I appreciate learning about PMID; it is so much easier to cite in this manner. Thanks.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I will need a few days before I can look into this fully... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

I understand. I think I got it right per all your suggestions. I was even able to use the PMID but had to edit it subsequently by hand because I found in the footnotes it only gave the PMID without the complete citation. I added it back by hand and it looks ok. If I enter the PMID correctly should it give the full citation with author, journal etc?? Thanks. DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 03:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a little button beside the PMID space that you click and it will fill in the details. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Text in question
Diabetes is associated with periodontal disease (gum disease). Some bacteria like: Porphyromonas gingivalis and Actinobacillus actinomycetemcomitans are associated with periodontal disease. Oral microbiology cultures are worthwhile considering in the treatment of patients who have both periodontal disease and diabetes because the presence of periodontal disease makes glycemic control more difficult. The elimination of gum disease-causing bacteria via periodontal therapy, with our without oral antibiotics indicated by a culture, should be the goal.


 * Give me a little time to look at it. Will see about adding something back in... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This paper is not a review article per pubmed.
 * This paper is a review article  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:36, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a PMID for the third ref? -- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Doc James, The was not a PMID for the third reference, possibly because it was first published in a German journal. I did look for it.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 13:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are "microbiology cultures" important? Is there a review that is available via pubmed that would support this? Aren't oral bugs simply susceptible to pen? And does treating people with diabetes and peridontal disease with antibiotics make there diabetes better? The first refs says that the evidence is equivocal... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Microbiology cultures are important because many of the most virulent gram negative anaerobes associated with periodontal disease have varying antibiotic resistances. No, oral bugs are not simply susceptible to PCN. Visit my website: http://www.nycdentist.com/dental-photo-detail/2247/127/Microbiology-Oral-Dental-Bacterial-cultures-diabetes-heart-disease-bacteria. I changed the following sentence to make it more clear: "Oral microbiology cultures are worthwhile considering in the treatment of patients who have both periodontal disease and diabetes because the presence of periodontal disease makes glycemic control more difficult." Controlling periodontal disease facilitates glycemic control in diabetic patients.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 02:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay what ref supports "Controlling periodontal disease facilitates glycemic control in diabetic"? Also as we write for a general audience we do not typically state "patients" rather we say "people with diabetes" etc. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 02:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

The association between diabetes and periodontal disease is widely known in periodontics. Below is one of many articles:

Curr Diabetes Rev. 2011 Nov 1;7(6):433-9. Diabetes and periodontal diseases: interplay and links. Lakschevitz F, Aboodi G, Tenenbaum H, Glogauer M. Source Matrix Dynamics Group, University of Toronto, Canada.

Abstract The association between diabetes and periodontal diseases is well-established. Diabetes is a risk factor for periodontal disease, with diabetic patients exhibiting an increased prevalence, extent and severity of gingivitis and perio- dontitis compared to healthy adults. Several mechanisms involved in the pathogenesis of diabetes have also been associated with periodontal disease progression. It is recognized today that there is a bidirectional relationship between diabetes and periodontal disease, with recent research showing that periodontal disease may affect the metabolic control of diabetes in diabetic patients. In this review, we present the current knowledge of the interplay between periodontal diseases and diabetes through the evaluation of randomized control and longitudinal cohort studies published in the past 15 years. Current data support the conclusion that diabetic patients are at increased risk for periodontal diseases, and that patients with poorly controlled diabetes are at risk for severe periodontitis. This results in the destruction of oral connective tissue and generalized bone loss, leading ultimately to tooth loss. Although the effect of periodontal disease on glycemic control in type 1 diabetic patients is controversial, evidence does show a direct correlation between periodontal health and glycemic control in type 2 diabetic patients. Furthermore, several studies have demonstrated the beneficial effect of periodontal treatment on metabolic control of type 2 diabetic patients. PMID: 22091748 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 02:53, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Great ref. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Text 2
How about:

"Diabetes is associated with periodontal disease (gum disease) and may make diabetes more difficult to treat. Gum disease is frequently related to bacterial infection by organisms such as Porphyromonas gingivalis and Actinobacillus actinomycetemcomitans. A number of trials have found improved blood sugar levels in type 2 diabetics who have undergone peridontal treatment." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added it under "signs and symptoms"  Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:27, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Doc James, I accept your wording and placement within the text. Too many people (including physicians) incorrectly ignore the oral cavity in diagnosis and treatment of systemic disease. It is important for everyone to know. Thanks, DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 12:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your patiences. Please continue editing and improving Wikipedia with us. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Doc James it was cool to work with you. I personally believe in the dissemination of free knowledge to improve our planet. I never heard from the Herpes editor after offering images of Herpes Gingivalis. Most people don't know that Herpes 1 can also be intra-oral and equally contagious. Any ideas to get him to respond?? Thanks.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 04:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you give me the link for this discussion? Also have moved the DM content here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complications_of_diabetes_mellitus#Periodontal_disease Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 05:24, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I like where you moved it; thanks. Herpes Talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jmh649 DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 10:24, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you provide me further details regarding "herpes"... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 16:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Does this help?? I thought it worthwhile to add info/photos of intra-oral herpes bc it is not well known. It's ok with me if you don't want to add it; my only concern is that this editor may (or may not) be communicating with me but I don't see it!! Thanks DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 17:24, 1 February 2012 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herpes_simplex&action=history
 * Thanks I have added the image here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gingivostomatitis as this is a type of herpes gingivostomatitis. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 18:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 18:50, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Conflict of interest policy
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 * Hi Ronz, thank you for the references; it is my intention to follow these guidelines. I will spend time studying them.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 21:09, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Image captions
Hello, thanks for adding images to Wikipedia. However, there is no need for a reference after the caption. A far better place to put the URLs for the images would be in the source field of their description page on Wikimedia Commons. Graham 87 01:56, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Graham, thanks for the info. I will know for the next time.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 02:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Graham, please help and provide me a template to properly reference my url as you suggest in the image source section; I cannot figure it out. Thanks.DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 15:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Unnamed discussion
sorry if this is the wrong place jfdwolff. In dental implants section I provided a really nice Cat Scan image that was removed and replaced by a Canadian dental practice. I object but wanted to speak with you first bc there is no added benefit with the replacement. DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 23:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC)dentalschoolprofessor
 * Since the question is directed at Jfdwolff and is already at his talk page, I've removed the helpme template. Zhaofeng Li [ talk... contribs... ] 01:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I am not sure who removed the image, and when (you added it in 2011 so a lot has happened to the article).
 * If the image is appropriate (i.e. not copyright) then perhaps you should simply put it back and see what happens, per WP:BOLD. If anyone disagrees, have a discussion on Talk:Dental implant and form a consensus, per WP:BRD.
 * Hope this is helpful. JFW &#124; T@lk  14:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I found my image was archived at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CT_Scan_for_Dental_Implants.jpg It is available only as ticket #2011031510011791. Can you explain why? It is my image. Separately, I discovered that I accidentaly have a second username: my current user is DentalSchoolProfessor and the older one I forgot about is DentalSchoolProf. I don't plan to use the latter but want to avoid future confusion. Can I merge them? Thanks, DentalSchoolProfessor (talk) 20:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)DentalSchoolProfessor