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Atlantis
Hello User:Deor, I am writing to you about the Atlantis page. I noticed you fixed a misplaced modifier there, so I thought I might bring a small error to your attention. The sentence "... the Atlantis story is a warning of Plato to his contemporary fourth-century fellow-citizens..." needs a BC after fourth-century. I checked the Plato page to confirm. Or am I missing something? I don't have edit access (I am a newbie), but perhaps you can fix it? Also I'd change "warning of" to "warning from" while you are in there... Thank you! Art to Tech (talk) 05:10, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing that rather awkward sentence. I've revised it to eliminate "warning of" and the superfluous "fourth-century", but I'm still not wholly satisfied with it. Deor (talk) 14:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * How about "Plato’s Atlantis story may have been intended as a warning for his fellow citizens against striving for naval power."? Perhaps created instead of intended? Art to Tech (talk) 03:26, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Pre-Columbian etc
Why'd you change "  According to del Busto critics..."? I changed it to that to make it clear that it's the proponent of the hypothesis that is referring to critics. As you might see at FTN, I was hoping that someone would be interested in the article. The response doesn't encourage me to post there again (eg I was told I didn't need FTN's permission to fix it). Doug Weller talk 16:37, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I couldn't tell whether you meant "According to del Busto, critics ..." or "According to del Busto critics, ..." (i.e., according to critics of del Busto). Assuming the latter, I attempted to clarify it; but it seems you meant the former. You're welcome to revert me, but please include the comma after "Busto" so that the meaning is clear. Deor (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * agh, my bad, of course. Thanks. Doug Weller  talk 17:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Did something go wrong here.
is not unsourced. Doug Weller talk 21:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It effectively is. The reference included at the end of the new material does not correspond to any named reference defined elsewhere in the article. Deor (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Doug Weller  talk 21:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Figured it must have been copied from elsewhere.. Doug Weller  talk 21:58, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit on Willow project
could you help find the coordinates for the Willow project rather than comment out the coordinates in the infobox -:)? Wuerzele (talk) 13:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I looked around a bit and, from the not-very-detailed maps that seem to be available online, the project seems to cover a rather large area. I've added rough coordinates, but any refinement would be welcome. Deor (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

articles to check
Hey User:Deor, for your information, during March, between other things, I took it upon myself to visit the following 14 NRHP articles, working off of the wp:NRHPPROGRESS listing of counties having poor referencing, the "NRIS-only" ones. Do you have the add-on feature so that, when you drill down to a NRHP county list-article, there's a yellow box displayed and you can have it show which ones are those that are "NRIS-only" (or that have no article, or that have no photo)?

The ones I addressed are:
 * 1) St. Mary's Basilica (Phoenix)
 * 2) Helen Anderson House
 * 3) Grace Lutheran Church (Phoenix, Arizona)
 * 4) ‎St. John Baptist Church (Lecompte, Louisiana)
 * 5) Alexandria Museum of Art
 * 6) Union Bethel A.M.E. Church (New Orleans, Louisiana)
 * 7) St. Peter A.M.E. Church
 * 8) Weatherford Hotel
 * 9) Bradley County Courthouse Annex
 * 10) Ocoee Street Historic District
 * 11) St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Tombstone, Arizona)
 * 12) St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church (Bisbee, Arizona)
 * 13) St. Stephen's Episcopal Church (Chandler, Oklahoma)
 * 14) Sacred Heart Church (Tombstone, Arizona)

The first one listed above was a bit messy, and involved me going away to take on related stuff like trying to sort out which were its architects and is one of them wikipedia-notable (not so much). On a few of those I got "thanks" from other editors, the first one is the only one where there was any dispute from anyone else, i.e. from you. Are congratulations in order, or what, for you proving yourself superior or something, between attacking me for leaving it "under construction" and also for making your own edits after I did the main work? Some of your edits just did things one way, as opposed to equally good other way. Some moved stuff around which was erroneous, i.e. the "architect" who was not one. Some removed some redundancy, e.g. a couple links to variations upon the Emil Frei stained glass company in St. Louis, which really needs an article and which I was expecting to address (and sort out what names to call it, and to add redirects and revise redirects, and to revisit all articles which would already link to it, so I would have tidied up at the St. Mary's Basilica article). You took a plunge on which name you choose to call it, bravo! (minor sarcasm). And some of your edits are clear improvements.

FYI, the last one listed above had a bunch of related problems, in Commons categories and descriptions and in Wikipedia articles and categories, because it had not previously been understood that two "rose trees" there are distinct from a different rose tree in Tombstone. I am sure I left that article "under construction", whether tagged that way or not, for quite a while as I sorted out the information and fixed it everywhere else.

Given your chiding of me at my Talk page, am I seriously supposed to understand that a) you hate me or what? (if so, please do explain) and/or b) you seriously think I hurt rather than help in Wikpedia, in general or in the NRHP editing area?

Also, I didn't mean to leave any outright errors in any of the above articles when I left them, but passing by them now I do notice at least one minor editing error which obviously needs fixing. On many of them I did not add very much, did not really mine the NRHP documents I added as references. I would be happy if you would visit them all now and see what you can "fix" and add and improve. Seriously, I would be glad if you would. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 23:52, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no particular interest in these articles or those about other NRHP properties, so I'm not disposed to review them all. I was drawn to St. Mary's Basilica (Phoenix) because you added a redundant Infobox NRHP infobox (one was already present in the article) containing a redundant coord template, which caused the article to be listed in Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags, which I monitor from time to time. My post on your talk page, like the one I made there last month, was just to tell you that when you want to make notes and queries for your own use, it's better to do so in a sandbox or offline rather than to insert them into live articles. That doesn't mean I "hate you", but your resistance to my suggestions does leave me rather irked, as you clearly have no intention of behaving any differenly in this regard. Deor (talk) 16:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:10, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

The Anomebot
Hi! Just to let you know that I'm in the middle of re-writing the Anomebot geodata processing back-end code, after the combination of a change in the NGA Geographic Names Server data file format and (more seriously) having to port the whole thing to Python 3, which is somewhat problematic given the amount of technical string-mangling code that needs to be re-written and tested.

I hope to have it back on-line in a couple of weeks, and normal service should then resume.

I can then work on some of the bigger projects I have in mind. &mdash; The Anome (talk) 12:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * OK, I've got it going faster than I anticipated. I've done a fair bit of testing, and all seems OK, but if it starts doing mad things, please get an admin to block it, and please let me know, and I will revert the bad edits. &mdash; The Anome (talk) 15:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

MrBeast appearance
Hi I would prefer the file for MrBeast be JimmyDonaldson.jpg. Can you add it please? Graywastakensoimusingthisinstead (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Unless you took that photograph yourself (which doesn't appear to be the case) or can establish that it's licensed compatibly with our requirements, it will be deleted. In any case, replacing the image currently in the article should be discussed at Talk:MrBeast before anything is done. Deor (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

List of public art in Newark, New Jersey
List of public art in Newark, New Jersey has many inline coords, but they are not really refined. Have attempted finesse them, but seems I'm unabketpi be as precise as they need to be since many of the works are very close to each other. Would you mind have a look? Much thanks. Djflem (talk) 04:46, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll play around with them as I get the time. Are some of the artworks, such as Behold, indoors? If I can't see them on Google Maps' street view, I can't really pin down their locations. (I see that I've worked on the coordinates in the article before, at your request, in November 2021, but there may be new entries in the tables now.) Deor (talk) 13:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes Behold is indoors, not sure where exactly. Much appreciation, as always. Djflem (talk) 23:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!
Wow, thanks for the clarification on C. S. Lewis! I read that sentence at least 6 or 8 times, read the source material, read elsewhere about the reporting on the deaths of both C.S. Lewis and Aldous Huxley, and STILL couldn't understand why it said "had". And I'm usually really good at this stuff! I've been a professional editor for almost 30 years and somehow I just couldn't parse that sentence properly. When you pointed out that it referred to "occurred", the light bulb came on. I must say, I would argue that it's not the clearest sentence ever if it caused a good reader like me to be so confused, and I think it would be great if we could find a way to reword it that clarifies it a bit more but, barring that, I'm certainly happy to leave it as "had" now that I understand what it means. Thanks again! -- edi(talk) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit reverted
Do you have something to say of why was my edit reverted on History of Wikipedia other than saying "mish-mash of copvio of cited article?" Additional explanation? / EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 21:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't really have much more to say. You rearranged things a bit, but most of the sentences were copied or closely paraphrased from the source you cited. There were, in addition, a number of grammatical errors. Whether the the "event" you added was significant enough to be included in the timeline is another question; it's already included in List of Wikipedia controversies (under July 2022), and that may be thought sufficient. If you really think that it should be in History of Wikipedia, unlike most of the other controversies, bring the matter up on the article's talk page and see what others think. Deor (talk) 22:18, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Coordinates
Hi, Deor. Thank you for adding coordinates to Vans Agnew Monument. It would be great if you could guide me "the process (accurate) of finding coordinates of a place", so I can do it myself the next time. Maybe you use some helpful tools or even websites? Thank you again! BookishReader (talk) 20:02, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, BookishReader. Various ways of getting coordinates when you know the location of a place are detailed at Obtaining geographic coordinates. The site I personally use is GeoLocator though for several years it's been rather difficult, since it is no longer able to display the Google Map properly; and one may have difficulty dealing with the darkened display. In the case of the Vans Agnew Monument, I didn't know exactly where it is, so I entered the name in Google Maps, found that it's identified there as "Vans Agnew's monument", clicked on that, clicked on a nearby point to get the coordinates, then copied the coordinates to GeoLocator and dragged the marker to the exact spot to get precise coordinates. Deor (talk) 22:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you Deor. This is very helpful. I will try this myself. BookishReader (talk) 10:32, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Help needed
Hi there,

You seem like someone who'd know. In the map of the Jammu division (the interactive one), a shaded region appears corresponding to the division's boundary. But I can't seem to pull that off in the Kashmir division. Any fixes? Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  13:31, 11 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I have a similar problem with the large subregions of Kashmir. There is an odd man out.  Jammu and Kashmir (union territory), Ladakh, Azad Kashmir, Gilgit-Baltistan, all have shades maps, but Aksai Chin does not.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  13:34, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind. It does now.  (Maybe you fixed it; so thanks).  :)  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  13:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, I know little about those mapframe maps. I think your best bet is to ask the folks at Module talk:Mapframe for help with this. Deor (talk) 13:42, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, will do. Thanks.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  13:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Virgil infobox
Hello,

I hope you are doing well. I noticed that you reverted my edit to the Virgil infobox, where I added the notable works option. In the edit summary, you stated that it was unnecessary bc it was present in the lead paragraph. Admittedly, you have far more experience than me, but don’t infoboxes also include information in the lead? For instance, Virgil’s dates, nationality, and occupation are all mentioned in the lead, yet they still are in the infobox. Additionally, writers such as Homer, Augustine, Dante, Chaucer, Mary Shelley, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison (Yes, these are somewhat random pickings) all mention their notable work(s) in the lead and infobox. Is there something I am missing? Thank you. Dantus21 (talk) 20:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I must admit that I'm not a fan of that particular field, along with some others, in authors' infoboxes (such fields lend themselves to editorial subjectivity), and that may have influenced my decision to revert your edit. I also didn't see why only the Aeneid should be listed there, and not the Eclogues and the Georgics, which are certainly notable works, as the lead states. (I also question the choice of "notable works" in some of the other infoboxes you mentioned above.) Nonetheless, if you feel strongly that the field should be used, you can certainly reinstate your edit. Deor (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I now understand what you meant. In that case, to follow precedent, I will reinstate the notable works field onto the Virgil page, but I will add the Eclogues and Georgics along with the Aeneid. Thank you, and have a nice day. Dantus21 (talk) 03:29, 25 June 2023 (UTC)