User talk:Derek R Bullamore

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No original research (!)
Following the fascinating (and news-breaking) Tom Springfield saga, we now have the possibly equally involving Inez and Charlie Fox(x) saga. Inez's death at (allegedly) 79 or (in fact) 84 has not (yet) been widely reported. If you're interested in any way, I'd be interested to know what's said about their birth years and names in the "reliable" sources that you can find... Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes I watched the 'Springfield saga' from afar, but you were clearly much closer to that action than I. Funnily enough, I spent an hour or two yesterday looking at conflicting dates for David Whitfield's year of birth (1925 is correct), duly muddied by a statue of him erected outside the Hull New Theatre a decade or so ago, which cites 1926.  For my money, both the statue and the accompanying text are rather naff and unprofessional.


 * Anyhoo, The Virgin Encyclopedia of Popular Music - Concise Edition - Colin Larkin - ISBN 1-85227-745-9; 1997, page 486, cites Inez Foxx born 9 September 1942, Greensboro, North Carolina and Charlie Foxx born 23 October 1939, Greensboro, North Carolina. The Book of Golden Discs - 2nd Edition - ISBN 0-214-20512-6; 1978, page 159, also states 9 September 1942 for Inez Foxx, but rather curiously lists her as the 'artist', with Charlie (no birth detail) as 'co-writer and her manager'. You will be aware that AllMusic has 1939 and 1998 for Charlie and 1942 for Inez.  The curse of the showbiz age factor, I presume.  Otherwise their 'one hit wonder' status, not quite, but you know what I mean, precludes their presence in any of the other copious tomes I possess.  To be truthful, my current health status rather restricts my searching more thoroughly, although I did peruse, British Hit Singles & Albums - 19th Edition - ISBN 1-904994-10-5, were no birth information is listed.


 * The, not uncharted, dilemma of 'reliable sources' being anything but !


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've now confirmed Charlie as 1933, per this. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Bern Elliott
Anthony Elliott | Facebook Hi Ian sorry to tell you but Dad pasted away on Tuesday morning, his Funeral will be on Tuesday the 27th in Margate at 11.30. Hope your keeping well. Ecosseboy (talk) 01:14, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * As I have already stated to you, I do not really doubt that Bern Elliott has died. BUT, and this is also the point that I made earlier, Wikipedia needs a reliable source to support such an edit.  As is explained at WP:UGC - "Examples of unacceptable user-generated sites are Ancestry.com, Facebook, Fandom, Find a Grave, Goodreads, IMDb, Instagram, ODMP, Reddit, TikTok, Tumblr, TV Tropes, Twitter, and Wikipedia (self referencing)".  Social media carries all sorts of nonsense on a daily basis, and is as reliable a vehicle as a car with three square wheels and no engine.  I would suggest you take some time out to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's major editing guidelines (WP:Five pillars is as good a place to start as anywhere).  It would undoubtedly help you in making decisions about any future edits that you intend to make. Thank you, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 12:26, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * There is a reference to Bern Elliott's death here - "Bern Elliott past away on 13-09-2022 in Margate". There seems no reason to doubt that it's true, but it's surprising that it hasn't been reported somewhere or other.  Unfortunately, we used to be able to rely on local newspapers for matters like this, but sadly no more.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, SMART is not a reliable source, either. Dgndenver (talk) 05:37, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, we know - see Talk:Bern Elliott and the Fenmen. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:16, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

OVERLINKING
Hi, thanks for your work. Please remember not to link common terms. WP is not a dictionary! Tony (talk)  00:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I've given you an IP block exemption for the duration of that block. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 14:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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Shahrud
In April 2021, you marked the article Shahrud for reference improvement. I just finished what I have time for; the article was completely lifted from one of the sources, which I found in archive. I replaced the article with a translation of the German article, which has decent sources. I think I may need to look them up and see if all are adequate; however the author/editor on the German Wikipedia who looks after these musical instrument articles has done a good job on the others that I perused. I lifted the refimprove tag. Thanks, Jacqke (talk) 14:51, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Sadly...
... it seems that more and more B-list (but N) UK pop stars from the 50s and 60s are passing away off-radar, as it were. First we had Tom Springfield - not reported for several weeks, and only then because his solicitor sent me his death certificate - and now we have Bern Elliott (died 13 September), and Jimmy Justice (died 15 November). Nothing on either death in WP:RS, but certainly true. If you're interested, this site has some useful leads worth checking through (as well as this old fave). Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:12, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the links. I see others are keeping the Dead Rock Stars site going... after a fashion at least.  You have touched on this previously, but the local press do not seem to report real news any more.  There are more interested in some Z-list 'celebrity' who has got a spell in their finger, or a granny who has lost their budgie. Sad really, but a sign of the times.  Harry Styles, The Belle Stars or Petula Clark, since you're asking.  Hope you are well - one of us needs to be ! Regards - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:25, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Petula Clark's lost her budgie???  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:49, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I read it in the Daily Mirror... so it must be true ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I notice, and you probably have done the same, that some kind editor has found a source for Bern Elliott's demise. How reliable it is is another matter. Any luck with Jimmy Justice ? - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:27, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Derek R Bullamore!


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Review and Draft Help
Dear Derek,

I know you're more a popular music specialist, but it's somehow related!

Would you by any chance be able to help editing this page, which is currently under review as a draft:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:George_Jackson_(conductor) Jacksogh1987 (talk) 10:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello George,


 * Classical music is really not my forte, but on a quick cursory inspection, the draft article looks to be in fair shape. I would have thought it should be passed as a viable article as it presently stands, although I have no experience of assessment in that area (WP:AfC).  My immediate thought was the WP:COI angle.  As the editing guidelines in this regard specify - "you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly".  Anyhow, I hope this helps. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks Derek - that is really useful info! Jacksogh1987 (talk) 11:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

A belated happy new year
...from an old editor, most lately of the non-logging variety. Saw your reference-filling activity at an article of mutual interest, and was glad to see you at work, there and in general. I hope you and yours are well. Please accept my best wishes for a peaceful and productive 2023. With regard, an educator and former prof. 2601:246:C700:F5:74C5:D89F:B48:2116 (talk) 05:25, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the greeting and wishes, and the same to you (whoever you are). Peace and love. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Just a colleague, past and intermittent, for whom in past (even if less than fully memorably), you routinely "pitched the save" with regard to citations needing completing and copy editing and the like. No worry, I am fine being out of site and mind. Just wanted my continuing appreciation to be clear. 2601:246:C700:F5:A9DE:5AC2:9872:31B9 (talk) 02:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Ron Tree
Re. this edit Please take care not to tag articles for "may not meet Notability" when they do in fact satisfy a WP:SNG. In this case, WP:MUSICBIO point #6 - ".. is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles ..." - namely, Hawkwind and Steve Took's Horns. Not only was/is this made clear in the opening paragraph but there was/is a note on the talk page highlighting this. Thank you. Romomusicfan (talk) 08:46, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Lux Familiar Cup 2023
I trust you'll be participating? Narky Blert (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Errr, no. My interest in the band is passing - I doubt I would recognise more than half a dozen of all their ditties.  Admire their spirit though - although they are perhaps of an age where they ought to be drinking it, in moderation. Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Glyn Johns article
I've been working on an expansion for the Glyn Johns article, and I just added a big chunk of things. However, it definitely needs some tweaking. There are some places that need citations. If you have some spare moments, you could take a look and see if there is anything that needs fixing. I also posted a talk thread there if anyone wishes to provide feedback. Best wishes to you always! Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I will give it the once-over, but due to other commitments, that exercise will not occur within the next few days. Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * As promised, I have give the article the once-over and, for what it is worth, the twice-over. Good work from you, and others will no doubt polish the thing further than I have.  The way of Wikipedia, of course. Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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Apologize
I want to apologize for my edit. I was watching the Chelsea-Liverpool match where there was a moment of silence for him and I thought he died today, my bad. Also very wrong because today is 13th and not 14th. I'm really sorry. MatsLP (talk) 16:32, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't worry - we all make mistakes. No real damage done.  Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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Memories...
How to waste a few hours.... https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Disc/1968/Disc-&-Music-Echo-1968-06-08.pdf Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:01, 19 September 2023 (UTC)


 * "Leo Lyons booked for speeding in Hyde Park... on a horse". Ahhhh, those were the days.  Hope you are well and maybe, just maybe, back with us again ?! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't "gone" anywhere... just, other priorities! Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

SNBC13
Hiya Derek, I noticed while transcribing death notices from Deaths in 2023 to 2023 in music that the source for R.L. Boyce's death is a site called "SNBC13". I've seen this site used as a source a couple times and it does not strike me as reliable. It seems like it's a local television news station, but it doesn't seem to actually be one. It's also mentioned in this NPR article about hoax websites. I've removed Boyce from Deaths in 2023 and that source from Boyce's article until a more reliable one can be found, and I'm thinking about bringing the site over to the reliable sources noticeboard. I wanted to give you a heads up, just in case you come across that site again. Happy editing! Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 17:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you. I was not able to access the whole site (probably due to the US block on European requests, I think). I do not recall running into that site before, but after almost 18 years here, I can not be certain.  There are other online sources relating to Boyce's demise, but I can not be bothered right now to check them for reliability (for much the same reasons). - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:23, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries, I figured that was the case. It looks like there's another source in there now that's still tagged to add a better source. I hope a perennial reliable source for music eventually writes something. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 02:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

190.237.46.243
Hello Derek R Bullamore, I'm updating the Herbie Lovelle filmography page. Thank you. 190.237.46.243 (talk) 17:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Good. I hope you can find some references, as per WP:V. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I already found it in the contribution of Herbie Lovelle
My name is Jorge Luis, I am in Arequipa. Can you help me put up Herbie Lovellle's page? 190.236.76.22 (talk) 20:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello Jorge Luis. I have spent some time improving Lovelle's Wikipedia article but, for now, do not intend to spend any more hours on it. There must be material within the 'Paula Lockheart "The Formative Years of Herb Lovell" (1997)' article which could be used as a reference.  Please bear in mind that IMDb and Discogs are not deemed to be reliable sources, but may remain as 'External links'.  Happy editing. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Don Ienner: Later career and Columbia Records
Hi. I noticed that you are an active member of WikiProject Rock music/Members. Therefore, I thought you might be interested in taking a look at an edit request I recently posted at Talk:Don_Ienner. Although Don Ienner is not a rock musician himself, as the head of Columbia Records and Sony Music, he helped launch the careers of many popular contemporary musicians, so I am hoping this might interest you. I wonder if, while you are already on the talk page, you would also look at a previous edit request I posted at Talk:Don Ienner, which was only partially implemented. I was in a discussion with another editor about the bullet points he did not implement, but he has not responded to me. I would really appreciate it if you can look and see what you think over there as well. Thanks, GarrettEye (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * With due respect, I am going to have to decline. I am convalescing at home following surgery in mid-December, and presently only managing a handful of modest Wikipedia edits per day.  I do not presently have the concentration necessary to undertake detailed work on a subject matter that I barely know.  You will need to look elsewhere. Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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18 years ago...
...you added the middle name "Sinclair" to Marc Almond's biography and corrected "Marc" to "Mark" as the birth name. I don't see any support for Sinclair in sources older than 2006, so I removed it today. I looked at older sources such as The New Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll published in 1995 which says he was born as Peter Marc Almond, and Dave Thompson's 2000 book Alternative Rock. The 2018 UK OBE honours announcement spells his name Peter Mark Almond. UK government filings show that his father's name also lacks "Sinclair".

In your defence, the 2006 edition of The Encyclopedia of Popular Music lists his birth name as Peter Mark Sinclair Almond on page 139. Previous editions of that book did not have a biography dedicated to him aside from naming him in the Soft Cell section. Binksternet (talk) 16:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Well done for your research work. Funnily enough, I have in front of me a mighty and weighty tome, which I recently examined for another musician(s) altogether. It states Peter Marc Almond. So confusion abounds, and needless to say, my memory does not stretch to 18 years ago ! 18 minutes is about my limit these days.  Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 17:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Attention called to Geordie music articles (below standard)
In looking for some information on the piece, "Drucken Bella Roy, O!", presented as outro for S1E2 of the BBC series Sherwood, I visited the following articles: The Newcastle Eccentrics of the 19th century, Allan's Illustrated Edition of Tyneside Songs and Readings, and Robert Nunn (songwriter), perhaps a few more.

All of them appear to be rampant WP:OR, essentially essays of WP editors based on the primary sources themselves. So, instead of calling on secondary sources, and the authoritative content that others have written about these topics, we are writing the secondary content ourselves (in violation of WP policies and guidelines).

I pasted in one good source, by a scholar named Harker, which is where my little additional understanding of Bella Roy derives. That is the only secondary source appearing in those three articles, and it now appears in a Further reading-type section, at different points in those articles.

I call out to you as this is much more your area than mine—I retired from STEM editing here about a half decade ago, where our paths crossed regularly as you filled in citations behind me, pretty regularly.

These musicology revisions will involve some research, and steady work—the articles duplicate the same primary reference, then derive all content from it and their personal knowledge. Besides the Harker journal article, I know he also wrote an introduction to a re-issue of one of the songbooks. That introduction is likely to be a good source for the article, properly extracted and cited. (It is mentioned in the lead of the Allan's Illustrated... article.)

All this for the good of the encyclopedia, and FYI, in case this Yorkshire/Tyneside genre is of interest to you. 73.73.49.62 (talk) 19:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the information. Actually, these subject matters are a long way from my areas of interest, and my only involvement in them was in improving the article's references.  In addition the area in question is over 100 miles away from me.  So thanks, but no thanks; you may need to spread the net further. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:47, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

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Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer...
Hi Derek,

I recently (Jun 3rd) made a very minor change to your page on Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen by the Sea, when I noticed you stated that Willie Rushton sang it in Series 9, Episode 1 of ISIHAC, in the game One Song to the Tune of Another. It was actually in the game Sing Along, in that episode. You almost immediately reverted my edit, but I don't know why. Maybe I transgressed some editing etiquette that I was unaware of, in which case I apologise.

The following link provides some evidence to support my assertion (six minutes and fifteen seconds in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQhH6-khBmY

Kind regards

Mark

Mr Masher38 (talk) 08:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I have not been feeling very well these last few days, so please be patient with me. Can I suggest as a new editor here, you read WP:5 Pillars and WP:V in the interim.  Just press on the highlighted blue bits and they will "transport you".  I will provide a fuller explanation of my previous action in due course.  Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)


 * My less than perfect health continues to dog me, but here are some further thoughts. Firstly, YouTube should not be used as a reference.  If you take a look at Reliable sources/Perennial sources and scroll down to YouTube (nearer the bottom than the top of the page), you will see the reasoning.  Apart from anything else, the link you provided goes to a site which is (almost certainly) in breach of BBC's copyright.   The blue links provided in the YouTube section mentioned earlier, will provide further explanation. Secondly, the Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen by the Sea article is not 'my' page - it belongs to Wikipedia.  Yes I have contributed to the article, but the phrase "The song is frequently featured in the game known as "One Song to the Tune of Another", was edited in the article prior to my involvement.  In addition your edit here did state 'Media: Changed One song To The Tune Of Another to Sing Along', but did not ascribe any supporting reference (see WP:V as mentioned in my earlier post).  I hope this explains things a little better and would respectfully suggest you acquaint yourself with some of Wikipedia's editing guidelines, before progressing much further.  Wikipedia always needs new editors, so I would like to encourage you to proceed in this regard.  A little understanding of how Wikipedia 'works' will save you setbacks further down the road.  Regards. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 15:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Newbie Question - Web citation - please advise/help?
Got a set of questions on my very first set of edits (for BARE URLS) please.

I apologize in advance if I am asking the incorrect person etc. I wasn't sure who to ask, I came across a reference to you.

Background
I was trying to contribute, starting with bare URL corrections, and this was my first page I decided to edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alameddine_crime_network

I made my final edits but wasn't sure how to tell if all bare URLS were completely gone, so I left the notice block there. Maybe there was some automated tool that would remove it when checking for bare URLs again? I didn't know.

Then, User:PinkDucky91 used a Citation bot on it, then removed the bare url notice block (see history please). At first glance this seemed great, maybe still is.

THE PROBLEM
When I look at the deltas between my last edit and the Citation bot edit, it removed 2 instances of the following "|published=Parramatta Advertiser" in a "cite web" references. I had put those there because if you follow the link(s) (see below for 1 of the 2 instances) it appears the original story/article was in the Parramatta Advertiser, accessed via the Daily Telegraph. So I wanted a way to document this, and this was the best/only way I could really figure out. Maybe this is incorrect.

Questions:
1. Did the Citation Bot do the right thing? 1a. I don't know why it decided to remove the "publisher" attribute. 2. Is there an automated way to check a page for bare URLs yourself, to make sure you cleared them all up? I do see it's gone from the following page now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:All_articles_with_bare_URLs_for_citations 3. Is there a "general" place to ask questions on editing that is appropriate? I know you can ask right on a pages talk page, but wasn't sure anyone would see it. 4. What was the proper way to document the issue I am asking about here? Given the situation where a existing URL went to a newspaper-ish website (needing a subscription), but the "real" article appears it likely was from another publication/website which you get access to from this subscription.

Wikipedia Page History References:
see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1233217199&oldid=1233217144&title=Alameddine_crime_network If you look at HISTORY, my last edit vs. the next edit from Citation Bot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Citation_bot)

Link with "unique" source(s) I am unsure how to cite:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Ftruecrimeaustralia%2Fpolice-courts-nsw%2Falameddine-members-ali-younes-and-ali-elmoubayed-denied-bail-after-alleged-granville-kidnapping%2Fnews-story%2F1226ff5f6b8eee3749669eb752197a82&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=HIGH-Segment-2-SCORE

Thanks in advance!

A newbie helper Jjamulla (talk) 14:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Well done for your efforts so far and good to see you have sought out assistance. I am not really the best person to ask about this, and would suggest you 'copy and paste' the above and direct it to Teahouse, where you will probably get a fullsome answer(s).  Sorry that I can not assist further this time. Regards, - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Will do. thanks much, appreciate your time. Just found the Teahouse this morning independently. Jjamulla (talk) 12:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)