User talk:Dereks1x/archive 1

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Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Suspected sock puppets/Dereks1x for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. · j e r s y k o talk · 20:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please do not alter the evidence I have presented in your SSP case. If you suspect other users of sockpuppetry, try starting your own case.  Since I'm an administrator with over 10,000 edits over two years, however, I suspect that any such attempt would merely be seen as retaliatory disruption.  But hey, I'm not stopping you.  Just keep any comments you have on your own case under the "comments" section. · j e r s y k o talk · 21:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you continue to edit the evidence I have presented in your sockpuppet case, I can assure you that another, uninvolved administrator will block you for disruption. I'm reverting your last series of edits.  Confine any comments you have to the "comments" section. · j e r s y k o talk · 23:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression that evidence is evidence. That is evidence is not just YOUR evidence and I have no right to present evidence. You, Jersyko are being aggressive and not a neutral adminstrator but an invader who is disruptive and causing trouble. My defending comments have been civil, not you.Dereks1x 00:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Do not blank other user's comments in their entirety from your SSP case, as you did to Bobblehead's comment here. This could be considered vandalism. · j e r s y k o talk · 01:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

It isn't vandalism because I was trying to put my comments in when it jammed up so I just cut and pasted.Dereks1x 01:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll just assume the deletion was accidental due to an edit conflict. I reverted Jersyko's reversion and manually re-added my addition. Dereks1x, in the future, if you have an edit conflict, please be careful not to delete the addition of another editor. --Bobblehead 01:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries if it was accidental. Just be careful, please. · <b style="color:#709070;">j e r s y k o</b> <i style="color:#007BA7; font-size:x-small;">talk</i> · 01:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have used sock puppet accounts to attempt to gain an advantage in a content dispute, that is disruptive. Telling me and other users that they are "poisoning the atmosphere" and have somehow "attacked" you by merely contributing to a SSP request makes the situation all the more suspicious. · <b style="color:#709070;">j e r s y k o</b> <i style="color:#007BA7; font-size:x-small;">talk</i> · 01:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

It should make you more realistic, not more suspicious. I am considering taking a less jellyfish approach to compromise. You keep attacking, maybe because as a lawyer more billable hours just means more money for yourself. Why should I compromise and accept compromise language when you are so aggressive? Compromise is better than confrontation.Dereks1x 01:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm missing where I have "attacked" you. SSP is not an "attack".  My comments at John Edwards talk have focused on Wikipedia policy and content.  Please provide edit diffs for these supposed "attacks", or refrain from claiming that I've done so. · <b style="color:#709070;">j e r s y k o</b> <i style="color:#007BA7; font-size:x-small;">talk</i> · 01:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Picking up socks
To build a more convincing case that other accounts under your control are not being used disruptively, you might consider voluntarily declaring them using a user box like the one displayed here. If you choose to do this, just add this user box template at the top of the userpage:

See: Sock_puppetry

This is just an idea, not an accusation. If it doesn't work for you, you'll hear no objections from me. --HailFire 06:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Canvassing
Comments such as this could be construed as canvassing. Please refrain from doing that.-- Mbc  362  00:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You supported another user (to whom you had no prior contact) in their SSP case and then basically asked them to support you in your SSP case. That is considered disruptive tactics.  As it was not disruptive on a large scale, I thought it was more fitting to bring it up on your talk page rather than the page for the SSP case.  I meant it as a friendly warning and apologize if it came across harshly.  Concerning Tvoz, her (yes, its a she not a he) comments appear to have been directed at other users who were also already dealing with you.  As far as I can tell, she was explaining her suspicions to them and asking what to do, not necessarily asking for their support.  Its comments such as "'My case is under my user name (Dereks1x). I am not asking you to also write a 'Comment in Support by an uninterested (uninvolved) party' but I, obviously don't have any control over you!!! :)'" that may get you into trouble.  Please just keep that in mind.-- Mbc  362  01:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My what a quick response time you have! I came across your edits on the George W. Bush and John Edwards articles and looked at your contribution list.  The user's name just happened to catch my eye, as did the edit summary.  So in short, yes I am following you.    :)-- Mbc  362  01:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * lol...nah I wouldn't worry about that. -- Mbc  362  01:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Archive
Regarding user talk pages, it is best to not delete notices, but instead, to archive them. You will find how to do this at How to archive a talk page. Actively erasing non-harassing personal messages is often interpreted as hostile. In the past, this kind of behavior has been viewed as uncivil. For this reason, if your deletion of notices and concerns on your user talk page is to keep the "clutter" down, I suggest that you instead create archives for these messages. --Geniac 12:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Tony Snow
I don't understand your message on my talk page. I posted at Talk:Tony Snow here yesterday. I don't take inconsistent positions based on politics on Wikipedia, if that's what you're getting at. · <b style="color:#709070;">j e r s y k o</b> <i style="color:#007BA7; font-size:x-small;">talk</i> · 02:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait, so you're asking me to help out to exclude the information at Tony Snow, while you want to include the same type of information at John Edwards?? And your motivation to exclude it at Tony Snow is because the prognosis is not connected to Snow specifically; but the public awareness concerns somehow don't apply at Snow since you feel Edwards has somehow misled the public and thus we should really try to craft his article to demonstrate how dangerous the disease is while leaving Snow's without such information?  Talk about blatant political motives.  The fact that the prognosis isn't specifically connected to Edwards doesn't seem to concern you at all, but you indicate it's one of your primary motives for wanting to exclude the info at Snow.  Say whatever the hell you want about me, at least I'm consistent in wanting to follow Wikipedia policy.  Your comments on my talk page tonight, however, demonstrate that you are clearly are more interested in politics than following policy.  And for that, I am no longer assuming good faith from you, as I now have evidence to the contrary. · <b style="color:#709070;">j e r s y k o</b> <i style="color:#007BA7; font-size:x-small;">talk</i> · 03:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)