User talk:Deryck Chan/Archive 8

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New section
Page just archived. Feel free to write below. --Deryck C. 11:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Greetings
Glad to see you're back. Things are fine, but I've been swamped with work. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 01:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 16:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Admin coaching
Still need a coach? Firsfron of Ronchester 21:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Deryck, thanks for your note. I'm an available admin coach, if you're interested. Do you have an admin coaching section set up? Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Deryck, thanks for the message. Sorry that I can't be much help to you right now, as I'm only on very sporadically. I suggest you continue to find new admin coaches, and if the coaching is still active when I get back more permanently, then I'll try to help. Best of luck to you. Eric (EWS23) 16:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your offer. I'm happy to receive it if you are available. My previous coaching records can be found at User talk:Deryck Chan/Admin coaching. Thanks! --Deryck C. 08:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've commented on your admin coaching page. I'll try to keep a close watch on it, and you do the same, ok? :) Firsfron of Ronchester  16:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops, seems I misunderstood something over at the AC page. From your coaching page, it looks like you have a coach, and your coaching is going just fine. Do you have any concerns? --Fang Aili talk 15:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK!

 * Your picture of the East Kowloon Corridor, surprisingly with so few cars on it, is now on MainPage, too. Cheers. :-) --PFHLai 14:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

HKCOTM
Hi there, thanks for your comment on my talk page. The HKCOTM and WikiProject Hong Kong is supposed to be a revival of the Hong Kong Wikipedians Noticeboard and its' subsets. I've moved the previous nominees over to the revived effort. Thanks again for noting my brief oversight. PS. I miss Hong Kong. :) Luke! 19:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

East Kowloon Corridor
Thanks for putting the picture of East Kowloon Corridor onto the main page! I'm surprised to see that too. ^^ BTW are you from Hong Kong? that "Lai", if anything, looks like a Chinese surname under the Hong Kong transliteration scheme. --Deryck C. 13:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You are welcome, Deryck. I needed a replacement pic. Image:East Kowloon Corridor.jpg happened to be already protected. Easy choice for me. :-)
 * Yes, I grew up in HongKong. I left many years ago. Kowloon Peninsula was much "thinner" back then. :-) Thank you for your articles about HK. They bring back some good old memories.
 * Good Luck at the HKCEE. Cheers. --PFHLai 16:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK self-nom
I think the idea of listing "self-nom" is to assure that both the article and the nominator get a DYK notice for their "stamp collection. House of Scandal 08:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: "Nerds"
No problem at all. It's sometimes difficult to diagnose another person's tone in such an impersonal medium, so maybe I overreacted your statement - and for that I apologize. It's just really easy for a little misunderstanding like this to turn a friendly debate into an all out war, so I thought a friendly civility reminder might defuse things (which, indeed, it has). In the future, when responding to editors with whom you haven't interacted before, perhaps you can use a lighter tone or append smileys (or something like that, to indicate your tone is light) to avoid future misunderstandings. Have a good day! ATren 16:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I probably overreacted with the references to CIVIL and NPA. I've been involved in some disputes lately so I may have seen something that wasn't there. As for the smiley thing, I've seen it occasionally. It's not as common here as elsewhere, but people use them. Anyway, I'm glad we've worked it out. ATren 15:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

La Salle Road on DYK
Thank you for your contributions. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 22:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: References
Hi Deryck,

Nice talking to you too. Regarding sources, generally reliable sources are required to properly cite an article. WP:RS has a pretty good discussion about how to determine reliability. Overall, the first three sources you mention, dictionaries, university reference books and secondary school textbooks are probably decent sources. Each one should be evaluated against WP:RS, however; as I'm sure you know, not every school textbook is 100% factual!

Regarding self works, those should also be compared to WP:RS standards, and if they meet the muster then they can usually be included as well. However it generally helps to avoid conflict of interest concerns by bringing sources that you are connected to personally to some sort of review first - I'd start by mentioning them on the article's talk page and waiting for other editors to comment. There are other ways to get more eyes on a topic too if needed, I can help you find those if you'd like, just let me know. --AbsolutDan (talk) 01:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure thing! While I admit I'm not the best at finding sources (which is why I generally don't write articles, I mostly do cleanup work), I can certainly help evaluate any sources you and others may find. Just post them to the article's talk page and drop me a line and i'll take a look. --AbsolutDan (talk)


 * Great work on finding those references! I just have mild concerns with some of them: the Associated Research, Electric Fence On-line and System Connection references. Those 3 are companies, and I'm not sure they qualify as reliable sources. Maybe the Associated Research one, as they seem to be a more solid and long-lived company. On the other hand, those are merely glossary links, so perhaps it's not as important as if they were full articles we were using as sources.


 * The Sorcerer Sound reference, on the other hand, does appear to be full articles, again written/affiliated with a company, and may constitute original research. They may have been written by employees of the company, not researchers in the field.


 * None of these references I'm concerned with are sufficiently problematic to warrant immediate removal however (in my opinion) - but it would be great if better sources could be found to replace them at some point.


 * Again, great work! --AbsolutDan (talk) 14:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh ok so it was published in a reliable source other than that website? --AbsolutDan (talk) 16:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * We're talking about 2 different definitions of original research then. Wikipedia's OR definition is "material that has not been published by a reliable source". See WP:OR for more info --AbsolutDan (talk) 17:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Science Collaboration of the Month
NCurs e work 16:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

TimVickers images on WP:IfD
I nominated a number of images by User:TimVickers for deletion on January 29. None of them are being used in any articles, although a few have been superseded. I notified TimVickers of the nomination and his response on my Talk page was 'Delete away'.

I don't know enough about the images to know how valuable they would be in articles. If they could be useful in an encyclopedic context they should be kept, either by incorporating them into articles as you did with Phenylalanine hydroxylase last night or by moving them to the commons where they could be used by other language wikipedias as well.

I have seen your work on the Xylitol article, and get the feeling that you're much more competent than I am with this type of stuff. If you haven't already, could you look through the rest of the TimVickers nominations and see which could be valuable? I will support you on any that you think should be kept. ~ Bigr  Tex  15:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Oxford Road
The problem with your DYK nom isn't that the road is named after Oxford, it is that you make a connection between Oxford University and the fact that Oxford Road has schools (in a similar vein we could try: "While Mars Bars are eaten by people who have been to space, the planet Mars is also in space"). If the road had been named after Oxford University and specifically chosen as the site of the schools for that reason, and there was a source to back up that claim, then we could use something similar. As it stands, both the nomination and the article make this erroneous connection (the article is actually worse, as the phrasing "Just like the University of Oxford, Oxford Road is home to many schools" suggests that Oxford University contains many schools). Yomangani talk 13:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, my comment was probably a little short on explanation - I was just throwing in some quick comments as I went through the list. Yomangani talk 13:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

B rating for Lam Tin
HI Deryck

In my opinion it deserved a B. It won't be up to me to give a GA, you will have to nominate it for debate, and do something about any suggestions or criticisms. Its much easier than getting a FA rating - the article would gather plenty of criticism, everthing has to be perfect even things that you did not think of.

We should probably have a standard for what to include in regional articles, but you get an idea when you look at the best ones around.

One of my interests is geology, so I have added the rock (granite) found in Lam Tin.

My other suggestions are to get a free map to replace the one there - prehaps you have to draw it yourself or take a good photo. The first line appearance has to be tidied up as it has a big white space on my screen!

GB 09:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * shall I break the footnotes section into two, one for footnotes containing support for specific statements, and the other for general references? (like Hong Kong?) --Deryck C. 14:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats a good idea - those readers looking for more information may be confused for too much choice! GB 00:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Twinkle edit comment
Yes, I understand. But Twinkle is not my design. The comment is automatically generated, something that I can't change without a good knowledge in computer things. I just think it is a good tool for fighting vandalism and so use it. :)--Fitzwilliam 09:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. :) Have you tried that? Twinkle is far more powerful than popups - especially in reverting. XD--Fitzwilliam 09:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you
Thanks for the greeting, I would like to wish you 新年快樂,萬事如意,金豬年愉快! And hope you do well in your studies too. Dylanwhs 08:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

RE:Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration - Instantnood 4
I arent sure if the discussion should take place there at all, so I am transplanting it here as well for more in-depth discussion:

Before I give the full facts behind my stand, may I respond with regards to User:Deryck Chan's comment above.

If Deryck Chan's comments on my failure to act according to concensus is based on an example like Hong Kong Central Library, then I must point out that in such instances, it is almost always a case of Consensus being pitted against Verifiability. My primary contention is that the contributors to the said article has been unable to cite any reliable, non-self-published source, nor any official government document supporting views as advanced by the "majority", practically all of whom where Hong Kongers and thus with vested interests on the said topic. Not to say local knowledge or community concensus are unimportant, and nor am I comfortable with the idea of pitting one policy against another, but in all past disputes I have been invovled in, Verifiability has always prevailed over Consensus, unless I have interpreted this wrong all along. I hope someone can enlighten me if the later is true.

May I also refer to his suggestion that I was wikistalking his edits. I do hope he may provide some evidence for this allerged behavior.--Huaiwei 15:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Please respond to the above here if you wish. Thank you.--Huaiwei 15:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Thanks with your agreement on the image in Halo 2.

thumb|left 5000px|This the picture you said to keep thank you again. Come to my talk page too.Master Cheif 001 21:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Communist47's RFA
After "I wouldn't mind participating in the extraction of this syrup." I stopped believing that it was a real RfA. After the RfA ran for a few minutes somebody suggested it should be speedy closed, which I did. At this point I have no doubt the user it just trolling (trying to pick a fight with the user that stuck up for me at ER?). BJ Talk 12:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought as well, that is why I opposed with a joke and closed it. BJ Talk 12:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply to self... This is a case of a user know what he is doing and making a joke or really believes what he is saying. I think and hope it is the former. BJ Talk 12:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with a joke in a RfA but in this case the whole thing was a joke and no longer served its purpose. BJ Talk 12:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

That is probably best as it is getting them from a sub-standard source (users that don't know how or why to list IfDs). I rarely more than glance at the noms as I spend most image work with fair use orphans. I'm running the bot right now to give you something to comment on (cron job not working yet). BJ Talk 12:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Is there any other things you would like BJBot to report when listing the nom? BJ Talk 12:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Your RFA
I would like to offer my apologies I offended in my opposition-changed to neutral vote. I had a concern, and I feel the community, and possibly you as well has misinterpreted me. You are probably going to be promoted, and I wish you luck when you become a sysop. Again, I'm very sorry if you didn't take my concerns the way intended you to. Evilclown93 18:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Science Collaboration of the month
NCurs e work 16:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on Your RFA
Beat the bureaucrat congratulations on your RFA! The Rambling Man 08:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, your RFA has a 47/2/1 count. You should have access any minute now.  Congratulations and good luck. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 10:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like too early a celebration - I'm still waiting for the crats. --Deryck C. 10:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can never celebrate too much! Redux or Essjay usually get the early UTC hour ones, but congratulations are certainly in order. The community has certainly expressed its faith in you, so keep up the good work. Spend some time on the administrators reading list and don't hesitate to ask questions. Again, congrats. - Taxman Talk 13:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats..-- Cometstyles 13:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just adding my congrats here, too, Deryck. Good luck, and if you do have questions, please feel free to ask on my talk page. :) Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  13:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats! If you wish to flex your admin tools... they can always be used here and here. ;) Awyong J. M. Salleh 14:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Deryck! --Fang Aili talk 18:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that you're an admin, I posted an userbox on your userpage, if you don't mind.  :)  BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 19:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!!! The Evil Clown 01:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! Terence Ong 恭喜发财 03:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on your RfA and may the Schwartz Be With You. --Ozgod 03:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats, good luck with your exams and with keeping the floors shiny. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Excellent work! Hope your stress meter goes down...  bibliomaniac 1  5  04:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-03 06:39Z 

Great work! I hope your exams aren't stressing you out, and they go really well! :) – riana_dzasta 09:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I look forward to working with you, too, down the road. Good luck on your exam. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 09:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on your successful RfA! I hope it goes well with your exams. Good luck. -  A nas   Talk? 11:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations! You richly deserve it. PeaceNT 14:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Congraz =) Don't ban me. (just a gag, don't take it serious) Microtony 16:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome (about the SCOTM notice) and use the mop and bucket well! Drop me a message if you have any kind of questions. :) NCurs e work 06:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Mr. Chan. Enjoy the new mop. Cheers! :-) --PFHLai 16:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Well done. Best wishes for your new-found abilities. enochlau (talk) 12:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on your recent successful RfA! Nicely done. While it is unfortunate that my RfA did not turn out as I had hoped, I thank you for co-nominating my RfA and I continue to look forward to our future collaborations. Luke! 02:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

re: About the revert-only sandbox
I'm sorry, what are you referring/responding to? --pfctdayelise (talk) 09:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Help me =)
Hi.. I have a problem... I'm using VoA non-admin tool to revert edits. However, my contribs all showing TWINKLE at the end.. how to remove? - Microtony 09:22, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed, used the updated version. Thanks. Currently working on Recent Changes Patrol - Microtony 13:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Japan (no you really come from China)
I was just wondering, do you live in Japan? BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 11:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I confused China and Japan again!  BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, contribs, odometer) 09:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Audrey Eu
I am not aware that Audrey Eu called herself the 'house leader', because it is indeed very misleading, as no other HK political party uses it. The only 'house leader' understood by the average reader is that of the Western system, i.e. parliament leader. If you can clear this up on her biographical page, then that would be the best compromise of all - and of course, if possible, cite an instance where a formal source has actually referred to her as a house Leader??? Jsw663 21:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. How does it feel being an admin?  Jsw663 16:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have the time, is it possible to expand the section on views of Audrey Eu? Right now, although I know what you are saying is a widely-held belief, I don't think it can hold on Wikipedia which requires sources to back it up, etc.  Also, please help out on the 'citation needed' tag because I forgot what to type for that on her page.  Jsw663 15:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Administration
Hi Deryck,

How do you like being an administrator? Have you had any problems? Anything I can help with? Even though I'm not officially coaching you anymore, if there is something you need, want some advice, or anything like that, please feel free to drop me a note on my talk page or e-mail me. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  21:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeh rite another problem. Does the verifiability rule apply to categorization? --Deryck C. 05:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, especially if the categorization is something controversial. If there is a category which cannot be verified (ie, unverifiable,) it should be removed. However, make sure the category really is unverifyable, not just unverified. Footnotes, obviously, cannot be added to a category tag. Without knowing which category or categories are troubling you, I can't give more specific advice. As for my "new" coachee, he is user:Fabrib, but I've been working with him for a while. He's been awfully quiet lately. Maybe I should check in with him... Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester  22:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hong Kong isn't a nation, so I'd be careful putting it into any sort of category like that. If there are sources which claim it is a national library, those can be used to support the proposed category, but since this addition is highly controversial, the talk page is the place to discuss the changes (providing your sources, of course). Firsfron of Ronchester  02:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

DYK

 * No problem - I am just a functionary, really: articles that meet the DYK criteria almost always get selected. But thanks for your contributions.  Keep up the good work. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Adoption
Thanks! I've gotten involved in many online things like this before, but never was better than a noob, beacause no one showed me how to do it.

RanDawg 18:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Certainly, though it might be more of a chore than you'd imagine, as I have no advanced computer knowledge, at all... Thank you, --Edna H. 18:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Happy Easter to you, too. I have questions, I'll see if I can type them out..... --Edna H. 20:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wong Yen-Kit as Principal of LSC
I'm F.3 now but I'll still go today... Well Bro. Thomas announced it through the PA System yesterday, 15 March 2007, so it's pretty official. Studying for CE eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hk linus (talk • contribs)

Proposed MTR Move
There is currently a move debate taking place at the MTR talk page. The proposed move is from MTR to MTR (rapid transit system). The discussion has gotten somewhat out of hand and somewhat detracted from its original purpose. I'm hoping that your objective admin skills may come in use in closing this discussion for the reasons stated in the discussion. Luke! 02:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Bang!
I was renaming the "interesting facts" section to "character inspirations", and there wasn't anywhere left to put your paragraph. On reflection, a paragraph that explained the nuances of a couple of card mechanics seemed redundant for an encyclopaedia article. --McGeddon 10:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Remove
Another editor has added the "prod" template to the article Remove, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also What Wikipedia is not and Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the prod template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Oo7565 08:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Science Collaboration of the Month
NCurse work 19:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Assistance request
Looking at Lam Tin, it actually looks to be in pretty decent shape (certainly far better than most location articles we've got around here.) If what you want is some more eyes on the article, there are several steps you can take. You can always bring it up with the relevant Wikiproject (in this case, WP:HK), and you also may wish to see if WP:CHINA would help, to get some more eyeballs. To involve the community at large, you can ask for a peer review, or make a listing on the article improvement drive. (Even if your article isn't actually the winner at article improvement, just having it listed there can bring a lot of eyeballs.) Good luck with it, you're doing a great job so far! Let me know when you get it to WP:GA or WP:FA and I'll throw you a barnstar, and let me know if you need anything else. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No trouble, and it's not the wrong place, that's for advice on anything at all! If the relevant Wikiprojects aren't generally willing to help, WP:ACID is probably your best bet, especially if you're looking to get it to FA/GA. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Lam Tin
Hello, I saw your request and I tried to reword the intro. I hope the new version matches the meaning of what you wanted. As a totally unrelated sidenote, I had to look twice to be sure that you hadn't written Tam Lin, one of my favourite novels. -- Kyok o  04:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add my research group on the wiki.....
Hi, Deryck, I would like to add a website to introduce my reseach group in a university. Is that okay? Also I would like to add a website for our postdoctoral association.

I am looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks Lei —Preceding unsigned comment added by Volterra (talk • contribs)

Geology of Hong Kong
My map is from 1979, your 1999 map is more likely to be correct! At least Cretaceous is next to Jurassic. Is the whole of the Hong Kong Is granite Cretaceous? GB 06:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies for interjecting myself into your discussion. As you two appear to be discussing a Geology of Hong Kong article (or similarly named), I'm inquiring as to whether such an article exists, as I am unable to locate an article by this name. The reason why I am asking is because a request to create a Geology of Hong Kong article has been filed with the WikiProject Hong Kong Article Requests. WPHK editors are currently trying to clear the backlog. Luke! 22:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for help with dispute
Dear Deryck: Thank you for the good information on how to handle the dispute on the "Jat people" page. I will try to do this some time in the future. Am just too busy at the moment as I am in the process of doing the final editing of a book of mine for publication and am well behind schedule (as usual). :^) Cheers, John Hill 01:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Lam tin Schools/Shopping Malls etc.
Hello there. Thnx for comment/advise. I will try and find more info on Schools and Shopping mall etc. in Lam tin. I ain't right good at stuff like this. Hope i can learn more stuff like this of you, as you seem to be pretty good with computers. Ta again!

--劉卓琳 Justina Lau 21:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)