User talk:Des James

I have been editing the article on the death of my daughter Cheryl, at Deepcut barracks, to reflect accurately the facts as they stand.

I have no issue with anyone who wishes to add to the article, but please lets not assume the Blake Review as the ultimate authority on the subject. I can assure you it is not.

In fact it may help if we all consider why the Government has not allowed ANY inquiry into the Deepcut deaths.--Des James (talk) 09:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Your edits
Dear Mr James

Whilst I have a great deal of sympathy for your loss, any contributions you make should be adequately and reliably sourced in accordance with the content policies in wikipedia; Reliable, Verifiable,  balanced and not your own opinion. It is also the case that you have a conflict of interest in this instance.

I would add that the article is about the barracks, not the suicides. If you wish to create an article about your daughter then you are free to do so, however it should continue to comply with the above points.

ALR (talk) 09:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear Sir/madam, I assure you that what I have added has been 'adequately and reliably sourced', it is emphatically not an opinion, although to be frank you seem rather keen to make that assumption. Another assumption you use is that the deaths were suicides?

There should not be any conflict of interest in the record of my daughter's death. I have lived this situation for 13 years and I have always chosen to speak the truth, as well as being careful not to embellish what facts we have.

I am not sure who you are, or with what authority you enter into this discussion, as I am not entirely familiar with the way that Wikepedia operates. The section I have edited is however is about my daughter's death not the barracks. I am more than happy for it to be removed, as I was not consulted before it was published anyway, but if there is to be such a record then it should reflect accurately the truth and not just the MOD or Goverment version.

I have no interst in anonymity, please feel free to call me on 01691 839941 if you so wish. --Des James (talk) 10:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I would suggest you read the material at the links I have included above, as well as the sections available on your left with respect to how Wikipedia works. If you want some advice about how to source the insertions you want to make then feel free to ask the question at the  noticeboard related to sourcing.  You can also ask for further support  here.
 * ALR (talk) 10:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

ALR, I now assume you do not wish to speak to me?

I would like to understand however on what premise you add comments to this page so regularly? What is your interest?--Des James (talk) 11:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * My main interest is in representing the available information in a balanced and informed manner and whilst I am sensitive to your concerns about including the material about your daughter I am conscious that Wikipedia is not censored and it is likely that someone else may want to re-include it.  My inclination is that either we include details of all four deaths, or none, and have asked for other opinions on that.  I do think the topic is significant, since the outcomes of the various investigations have led to both improved professionalism in the service police, as well as improved selection and training of new entry instructors, and the management of trainees through their early training up to being delivered to the trained strength.
 * The original article was very much focused around the deaths of the four trainees, including your daughter. When I came across it I spent some time trying to discuss the barracks and it's role within the RLC and to introduce some balance to the article around the investigations.
 * I spend much of my time in Wikipedia in various military articles trying to remove some of the sensationalist material and streamline some of the content. I am conscious that this is an emotive subject with many and as such a fairly rigorous approach to representing the available evidence is needed.
 * ALR (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)