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Hi Desi, just a quick note to tell you please not to think any other editors have it in for Eliot Tokar. I think we all just want the page to have verifiable sources. Perhaps you could add some for us?Merkinsmum 23:36, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Merkinsmum, I would like to believe you, but I am not young, and I have lived life and seen human behavior and nothing that has gone on this page allows me to accept your statement. Please let me be clear, I cannot read your mind or heart, or that of your partners, but whether you are directly against Dr. Tokar or whether you have allowed yourself to become so blinded by your highly subjective and unprofessional view of scholarship that you 'unintentionally' are acting to harm him, the result is the same. [Actually in doing what you are, you are not really harming Dr. Tokar but rather the readership and quality of this Wikipedia.] It is the same with any kind of prejudice or racism. Some directly hate the other because of his skin color or the like. Another claims strongly that he is not racist, but his actions based upon psychological biases create the same result.

I have offered very many sources of various kinds, as have these other two fellows who have tried to build this article. You and your partners have access to articles by and about Dr. Tokar in peer-reviewed and non- peer-reviewed journals, periodicals, prestigious newspapers and news services, in books published on Tibetan medicine and on general subjects related to Asian culture. You can see websites that cite his work in numerous ways, and even photos of him lecturing in Taiwan, as well as many other sources. Still, you even contest that Dr. Tokar was one of the first Westerners to study Tibetan medicine. Five minutes online can show you that there are probably less than half a dozen such people internationally. Then you make a claim that admitting that he is one of the first implies his superiority over others, please my friend, this is absurd.

However, in each case you three have callously derided both these highly credible and acceptable sources as well as attacked those of us who have tried to provide them. I will say it once again for you: your quoting Wikipedia guidelines and legalisms do not equate to anything except some authoritarian foolishness. Guidelines must be tempered by open mindedness and wisdom. You think that you are holding to some kind of self-imagined high standard, but look my friend, Dr. Tokar is invited to speak, advise and write in very prestigious settings yet he is not acceptable for you three. Please forgive me for asking, but who are you? Your combined behavior would never be acceptable in a professional context accept in the worst examples of academic politics and even there, I am sorry to say, they would seem very foolish.

Next, you claim to want neutrality, but you actually demand skeptical language that questions even the possibility of traditional Asian medicine being other than some superstitious belief, 'original research' or lie of Dr. Tokar. I also value neutral language and have suggested some to you, but you have chosen to ignore me. However, your imposed choices are not neutral, I am sorry to say; rather they are most racist in result even if not in intention.

Finally, you and your partners have demanded citations for things that are completely unreasonable and unlikely to be provable without contacting Dr. Tokar and asking to have access to his records or archives. How can he prove that he traveled with some person? It is not even within the realm of possibility that the proof of such things as you demand would exist on the Internet. Even so no paper that is handed into any professor in any respected academic institution can only have Internet sources. So, you do not want to do the normal academic research or journalistic fact checking but you violently demand proof of detailed information that no academic or journalist would even demand of Dr. Tokar.

Sorry for having to be so frank with you, but you and your partners have only done an injustice here, and in a very rude and inconsiderate manner, if I may say. If you want in this last moment to correct your method and conform to normal approaches to cooperation, editing, sourcing, etc. I would of course accept it. But I do not think that you will do it. No matter what you actually believe or feel you three are acting in a most hateful and ignorant manner that would never pass muster in the professional world that I so respect. So please let me know if you can be honest finally, not with me, but with yourself. If you choose to make this postive change it is not Dr. Tokar who will benefit but yourself. I must also say to you that you have aligned yourself with fools not with serious scholars.

Please let me know what you will do, but do not repeat the old propaganda. I am very tired of this all. My first experience with this Wikipedia will certainly be my last, I have no time to waste on such foolishness. Sadly --DesiDoc 01:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)